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[SolNebula]

Sorry couldn't resist

 

[Vegeta 77]

You can be rude don´t see why your moaning cause of one mission you can´t.

[Ryzaki]

Oh no, in one dialogue sequence in the 15 minute alpha gameplay you can't be a total arsehole! Whatever can we do :0

Wait till the game comes out to see the dialogue opportunities. Perhaps if your an a hole to leilana before, you can be in the convo.

 

Yeah people said this about the 2 choices in the leaked demo of ME3. I'd rather err on the side of caution from now on.

[DaySeeker]

You're the head of the Inquisition; you're supposed to be a leader.I would think as a leader you would have the ability to take other people's views and goals in mind, also that you'd be able to see organizations as something other than "You bad" You good."  Leaders need to be able to work with a variety of people, and being a jerk to someone who just got tortured for you seems like it would not inspire any others, even the ones you maybe respect, to follow your commands or to have any kind of respect for you. 

 

Leillana is hardly all Chantry all the time, she makes her own decisions and looks to benefit the whole; she is also really god at what she does, this is why she is your spymaster.  I don't know why anyone would hate her, but even if they did, I don't know how you could miss that she is an asset to your team.  I don't know how any Inquisitor could miss this.  

 

I guess I can see role-playing a racist elf, or templar, or mage; I don't see how that is sustained given what and whom your character experiences, but this thread and the others where folks brag about chopping off someone's head when they see them or how big a douche they want to be in a game is pretty disgusting.  It sounds like bragging and pride and somehow that they think they are better because they're not some idiot with empathy, intelligence or self control.

[Burricho]

Yeah people said this about the 2 choices in the leaked demo of ME3. I'd rather err on the side of caution from now on.

This is different, as you are shown that you do have the option to be arse later on. You literally have no idea about the inquisitors relationship with leilana up to this point, it's ONE conversation, and you haven't played the game.

[Roamingmachine]

You're the head of the Inquisition; you're supposed to be a leader.I would think as a leader you would have the ability to take other people's views and goals in mind, also that you'd be able to see organizations as something other than "You bad" You good."  Leaders need to be able to work with a variety of people, and being a jerk to someone who just got tortured for you seems like it would not inspire any others, even the ones you maybe respect, to follow your commands or to have any kind of respect for you. 
 
Leillana is hardly all Chantry all the time, she makes her own decisions and looks to benefit the whole; she is also really god at what she does, this is why she is your spymaster.  I don't know why anyone would hate her, but even if they did, I don't know how you could miss that she is an asset to your team.  I don't know how any Inquisitor could miss this.  
 
I guess I can see role-playing a racist elf, or templar, or mage; I don't see how that is sustained given what and whom your character experiences, but this thread and the others where folks brag about chopping off someone's head when they see them or how big a douche they want to be in a game is pretty disgusting.  It sounds like bragging and pride and somehow that they think they are better because they're not some idiot with empathy, intelligence or self control.

As far as we know, the player character gets shanghai'd to be the figurehead of the inquisitor. Where exactly would he have picked up those leadership skills? From the player of course, who decides the background of the character.
Playing a douchecanoe or lawful stupid have one thing in common: Players of neither of those styles are obliged to justify themselves to you, me or anyone. Some people hate Leliana, some people love her. Others don't care. All the OP is asking is for the OPTION of playing his character accordingly. I'm at a loss as to why this seems to be an issue.

[DaySeeker]

As far as we know, the player character gets shanghai'd to be the figurehead of the inquisitor. Where exactly would he have picked up those leadership skills? From the player of course, who decides the background of the character.
Playing a douchecanoe or lawful stupid have one thing in common: Players of neither of those styles are obliged to justify themselves to you, me or anyone. Some people hate Leliana, some people love her. Others don't care. All the OP is asking is for the OPTION of playing his character accordingly. I'm at a loss as to why this seems to be an issue.

  I guess because the option is usually voiced in a language of racism, misogyny, homophobia, or sadism.   If a player wants to go around killing everything and belitling everyone there are various multiplayer games for that.  Laidlaw described the Inquisitor as a "Leader of Leaders" and BIoware has usually done a good job of allowing dialogue that allows players ranges from angelic to driven, but in all cases the end goal is the same, to accomplish the goal of saving a population.  ROle-playing as a serial killer does not make sense.  Like it or not you are providinig an example to your followers and need to be someone they'd want to follow.  Alienating your partners would not work.  Your inquisitor has to have some degree of intelligence, charisma or empathy.

 

EDIT: I'd also like to add that if I decide my Inquisitor needs to drop the hammer at a certain point, or is angry I don't want there tone to be suddenly homicidal and out of character.

[Vilegrim]

  I guess because the option is usually voiced in a language of racism, misogyny, homophobia, or sadism.   If a player wants to go around killing everything and belitling everyone there are various multiplayer games for that.  Laidlaw described the Inquisitor as a "Leader of Leaders" and BIoware has usually done a good job of allowing dialogue that allows players ranges from angelic to driven, but in all cases the end goal is the same, to accomplish the goal of saving a population.  ROle-playing as a serial killer does not make sense.  Like it or not you are providinig an example to your followers and need to be someone they'd want to follow.  Alienating your partners would not work.  Your inquisitor has to have some degree of intelligence, charisma or empathy.

 

 

I guess I miss being able to be flat out full ahead evil in bioware games seriously BG2 evil campaign is both more challenging and more fun.

[Ryzaki]

This is different, as you are shown that you do have the option to be arse later on. You literally have no idea about the inquisitors relationship with leilana up to this point, it's ONE conversation, and you haven't played the game.

 

Um no saying "I wanna go home." is not being an ass as you said context. Leliana's been tortured, you just killed the guy responsible for it, there's demons and crazy mages all over the place. A "I wanna go home." is not rude. Though agreed on the second point again the same was said about ME3. Trying to get on people's cases on erring on the side of caution is where you lose me.

[DaySeeker]

I guess I miss being able to be flat out full ahead evil in bioware games seriously BG2 evil campaign is both more challenging and more fun.

 

Isn't that game about survival and power aquisition?  It's not about thwarting a great evil.  You're the scion of the god of murder.

[PrayingMantis]

There was some interview where the dialogue was brought up briefly:

"We have three wheels that we use in response to any given piece of dialogue" says Gaider. "One of those is what we call the 'tone wheel', which is mostly for role-playing choices. The other two are the 'choice wheel'- for taking an action or stating an opinion-and the 'reaction wheel,' for emotional moments"

 

I guess being rude would be the "tone wheel"? I don't really understand those "wheels" though, like can you choose between them, or do they only come up in special dialogue? Are there only going to be three choices like in that screenshot? :/

[In Exile]

Maybe Bioware realized that their plots make zero sense with an ******* PC and cut those options. Like how in DA:O there were only a few options to be rude. 

[Wulfram]

Probably the bottom choice will be at least abrupt.  The basic nice/jokey/jerk trinity remains.

 

If you have more extreme dialogue options then it tends to make the PC seem a bit crazy when the player switches between them.  Ultimately it's a trade off, and (IIRC) Bioware have said they're going to have the tones be closer together, which does mean that you're generally not going to be able to be as much of a jerk as you were in DA2.

[TurretSyndrome]

I don't really see how the plot becomes senseless with a douchebag PC.

[Ridwan]

*pukes* blargh, another conversation wheel in Dragon Age.

[TurretSyndrome]

Um no saying "I wanna go home." is not being an ass as you said context. Leliana's been tortured, you just killed the guy responsible for it, there's demons and crazy mages all over the place. A "I wanna go home." is not rude. Though agreed on the second point again the same was said about ME3. Trying to get on people's cases on erring on the side of caution is where you lose me.

 

I wish "I wanna go home" was there in DA 2. God knows we needed that like every minute of playthrough of that game. 

[Vilegrim]

Isn't that game about survival and power aquisition?  It's not about thwarting a great evil.  You're the scion of the god of murder.

 

 

well it is about thwarting a great evil (Jon Irenicus) but he is on your case no matter what, so motivation: Screw that guy works fine.  As would motivation: I need a planet to stand on/conquer, life is boring with no one else around.

[CENIC]

Not good enough , Leliana is a hated character by some, (me included) who represents a hated organisation, why should we trust her, why should we be anything but hostile?  Make HER our spy master? Yea right, because I like being a puppet.....it is on her to prove her loyalty and usefulness and an enforceable unbreakable oath to that effect
 
To quote Mazrim Taim, 'Kneel and swear fealty..or YOU WILL BE KNELT'

You do realize that just because you, the player, know Leliana from previous games, and hate her based on that knowledge, your Inquisitor doesn't have that meta-knowledge to judge her with?
Asking for the dialogue to beak the fourth wall and acknowledge that the player behind the screen loathes Leliana with the force of a thousand burning suns sounds just a tad unreasonable to me.

[In Exile]

Probably the bottom choice will be at least abrupt.  The basic nice/jokey/jerk trinity remains.

 

If you have more extreme dialogue options then it tends to make the PC seem a bit crazy when the player switches between them.  Ultimately it's a trade off, and (IIRC) Bioware have said they're going to have the tones be closer together, which does mean that you're generally not going to be able to be as much of a jerk as you were in DA2.

It might also mean we can't just click trollface at will, which is a loss for everyone. 

[Burricho]

Um no saying "I wanna go home." is not being an ass as you said context. Leliana's been tortured, you just killed the guy responsible for it, there's demons and crazy mages all over the place. A "I wanna go home." is not rude. Though agreed on the second point again the same was said about ME3. Trying to get on people's cases on erring on the side of caution is where you lose me.

I wasn't talking about I wanna go home, I was talking about the multitude of options for alexius. The point i'm trying to make is, make a thread about it when the game comes out - that's fine, but making it when we've seen a tiny bit of dialogue is less 'erring on caution' and more... illogical. At least to me, at any rate.

[Roamingmachine]

I guess because the option is usually voiced in a language of racism, misogyny, homophobia, or sadism.   If a player wants to go around killing everything and belitling everyone there are various multiplayer games for that.  Laidlaw described the Inquisitor as a "Leader of Leaders" and BIoware has usually done a good job of allowing dialogue that allows players ranges from angelic to driven, but in all cases the end goal is the same, to accomplish the goal of saving a population.  ROle-playing as a serial killer does not make sense.  Like it or not you are providinig an example to your followers and need to be someone they'd want to follow.  Alienating your partners would not work.  Your inquisitor has to have some degree of intelligence, charisma or empathy.
 
EDIT: I'd also like to add that if I decide my Inquisitor needs to drop the hammer at a certain point, or is angry I don't want there tone to be suddenly homicidal and out of character.

You are completely missing the point. It isn't the player going around doing those things, its the character. Optimally, the character starts with a backstory the player has decided, encounters the world and its denizens, acts accordingly and has character development based on that. If the player is going to play a homicidal maniac only out for himself, let him. He still kinda does have to avert the apocalypse somehow since selfish people tend to not want to die and playing that way creates an interesting story as he tries to balance his need for survival with his psychotic impulses. And once again, as far as we know we are shangai'd as the figurehead of the inquisition and that endowes no special leadership skills. 'Leader of leaders' is just hollow marketing speak.
And if you think that in BW games you are always locked in the lawful-stupid role, I urge you to play Jade Empire on closed fist side. Things you do there would make a sith blush.

[Vilegrim]

You are completely missing the point. It isn't the player going around doing those things, its the character. Optimally, the character starts with a backstory the player has decided, encounters the world and its denizens, acts accordingly and has character development based on that. If the player is going to play a homicidal maniac only out for himself, let him. He still kinda does have to avert the apocalypse somehow since selfish people tend to not want to die and playing that way creates an interesting story as he tries to balance his need for survival with his psychotic impulses. And once again, as far as we know we are shangai'd as the figurehead of the inquisition and that endowes no special leadership skills. 'Leader of leaders' is just hollow marketing speak.
And if you think that in BW games you are always locked in the lawful-stupid role, I urge you to play Jade Empire on closed fist side. Things you do there would make a sith blush.

 

How did I forget Jade Empire....

 

on a serious note, I am no where near this hate filled in RL, however I like to give what darkness I have free reign in video games, it clears my head, and chills me out to be an absolute psycho in a game.

[Ryzaki]

I wasn't talking about I wanna go home, I was talking about the multitude of options for alexius. The point i'm trying to make is, make a thread about it when the game comes out - that's fine, but making it when we've seen a tiny bit of dialogue is less 'erring on caution' and more... illogical. At least to me, at any rate.

 

Uh...it doesn't count as rude when you're doing it to someone who tortured one of your advisors and probably had a part in everything going to hell. That's not rude it's angry and for damned good reasons.

 

Which is fine I just don't see the point in trying to shut people down from expressing concerns. If it doesn't bother you it doesn't.

 

And when the game comes out is too late.

[Medhia_Nox]

@DaySeeker:  I think your argument is largely aimed at a group of people that 1) have not yet been or 2) will never be leaders. 

 

This story is about the leader of an organization. 

 

Some people want to play useless douchebags hellbent on anarchy, murder and sadism instead and believe that because the word "roleplaying" is used it's their privilege to do so.

 

Douchebag responses are the pinnacle of the Main Protagonist is All because NPCs are incapable of doing to that type of person what they would deserve in "real roleplaying".