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[whogotsalami]

Props to Bioware, it means that your decisions matter and there are consequences of your actions.

[Burricho]

Uhh... it hasn't even been confirmed whether or not she's dead though...

[hexaligned]

I actually got a time travel vibe from it too, or "multi-dimensional" vibe.  I think it's just the elf chicks grammatical tense, coupled with the wormholey thingy they opened, which aesthetically and out of context, I associate with one (or both) of those two things.  I'm hoping (and have some faith), the writers have done better than fall back onto those cliches though.

[Bioblitzer]

How can you say you "Don't see why they would keep her alive at this point." when you don't know what point it's at?

When I Say this I mean there's no reason to keep her alive and if they did why would they drag her body and throw it like that? Unlike leliana who was a known spy and might hold information all they know about sera is she's just a fighter. Anyway the whole point is we don't know yet and all we can do is speculate

[SirGladiator]

It was some pretty crazy stuff, but it definitely had a feel of 'these people don't care if they live or die' to it, which suggests that whether it's time travel or some other form of powerful magic, they're expecting something to revive them.  Of course it's also possible they all just legitimately don't care about throwing their lives away, but it would've made a lot more sense, if they wanted to stay alive, to not start splitting up and making it easier for the bad guys to kill them.  The way they did it bought a little more time at the expense of their lives, so either they 'really' don't care about living, or they're counting on the Inquisitor to keep them from staying dead.  I guess we'll find out in October . 

[Ihatebadgames]

If it seems to bad to send in the female rogues, I'm sending in Cole.

[Adhin]

Actually curious if we can send in companions instead of advisers. Also, aren't we supposed to have like other operatives that aren't in the party and aren't advisers? Or am I just crazy and remembering that part wrong? Coulda sworn there was supposed to be a buncha folks you could send to do stuff for you, and I doubt that would be just Cullen and Leliana. but then maybe this is a specific mission where its Cullen/Leliana + your normal group for the mission and it's all rescue or something after that.

[deuce985]

Bioware did mention advisers can't be killed right? The way I interpreted that is you can get them killed off but the advisers will never disappear. In other words, they replace them with a generic NPC? Bioware has done that in the past. That would make sense to me at least. Not sure if it's a definite you can't kill advisers ever or you can but their role is replaced with a generic NPC. I find it hard to believe dramatic moments can't end in their death otherwise Bioware dropped a massive spoiler bomb in the questions answered.

[MrMrPendragon]

Actually curious if we can send in companions instead of advisers. Also, aren't we supposed to have like other operatives that aren't in the party and aren't advisers? Or am I just crazy and remembering that part wrong? Coulda sworn there was supposed to be a buncha folks you could send to do stuff for you, and I doubt that would be just Cullen and Leliana. but then maybe this is a specific mission where its Cullen/Leliana + your normal group for the mission and it's all rescue or something after that.

 

I don't know if you could send in advisors, but if you think about it, sending your advisors may not be the best course of action. I mean, these guys are sort of representatives of an organization. They are important people. While companions are just as important, it just seems like planning and strategy is more of the advisor's role rather than going into battle - that would be the companion's role.

 

But I guess there's nothing majorly wrong about sending in advisors. You can go "Ok fine Cullen, you keep pushing this absurd idea of yours?! Well go right ahead and lead the attack and see what happens. Guys, Cullen's got this one covered, because apparently he's got it all figured out!"

[Mornmagor]

Does it really matter, if she dies or not in that video?

 

There's obviously more to this, than we see in the demo.

[Killdren88]

Everyone but the advisors it seems.....

[Spectre Impersonator]

Sending Leliana on the mission is your choice.
We've been told you can avoid Redcliffe castle entirely.
There are hints that the player made a bad decision before the demo even starts. (Leliana's "You're alive?" when she sees the Inquisitor.)
There are obviously several edits and time skips during the demo.

You're seeing a failure state for a set of player decisions.

Assuming that what we've been TOLD is true. It certainly hasn't been in the past... ahem, "rachni, no weird LOST ending, and we'll get answers to everything." 

[Enigmatick]

Assuming that what we've been TOLD is true. It certainly hasn't been in the past... ahem, "rachni, no weird LOST ending, and we'll get answers to everything." 

This needs to be said more often.

[Spectre Impersonator]

It'll be nice to see your opinion of him change when he uses his nature to not only prevent the deaths of others, but to expedite the entire process

Will that make him less ugly?

[Adhin]

@Rated R: That was kinda my point, Leliana 'is' an adviser and she was sent. It could be this is a specific story related mission thing where you pick from Cullen/Leliana or your other party companions. But they've mentioned agents that you send on missions. Could easily be these 'agents' aren't sent on stuff like that at all, and it's there own special system. Which is kinda how AC Brotherhood would of handled it.

 

In either case, in this mission, they sent in an Advisor, not an agent, and not a companion. That's all I was curious about, wonder what the options would be and would any Agents be part of that. Though I honestly think the 'Agents' will end up being a separate system so... yeah, can't wait to find out in either direction.

[draken-heart]

Judging by the video, there might be something popping up behind the Inquisitor. A portal perhaps?

[Myala]

Its a time portal so that the inquisitor can go back in time and stop the breach from becoming so big and stop sera, IB, and leliana from dying. That my theory anyways. Its looks unlike the fade rifts and breaches. It looks like a different color and more tube like.

[Lilium]

Looking back at the video... could they be in the fade? At the part where Sera says the "don't look up" thing it kind of looks like the fade. So if she died they might have just woken up? Maybe the portal is to another part of the fade or something? 

 

Don't mind me grasping at straws here   she could be dead based on how the game was played, but I just thought the courtyard looked.. fadey...

[Adhin]

Nah, that's just a massive Tare. They're at Redcliff I think it was said. Also if your killed in the fade like that you don't just... pop out of the fade, you die. They basically kill your conscious self (or your soul, or whatever the crap is in the fade at that point). Though I have a feeling your going into the fade to fight that demon, and perhaps IB/Sera where put unconscious via the demon throwing there minds into the Fade (like Sloth demon did in DAO).

 

But then you got the other theory of time travel. Which some of the dialog makes it sound like it could be. Though I personally think when Sera says 'that's how they won, how it won' was from the previous situation where Leliana thinks you 'died'. That creature showed up with a mass of whatever and overran you and you guys managed to 'escape'. And the demons just shown up again. Maybe it threw you all into the fade at that point to? No idea either way.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Maybe it was both worlds?  Isn't that whats happening, the veil is being torn so that the two worlds fuse into one?  Wait, I'm playing Guacamelee right now, might be mixing things up...

 

Maybe they are working to separate the worlds again, and when that happens life will be restored to anyone who died there.  Just a thought.  

 

I still hope they can perma-die mid-game now based on bad decisions.  That would be great.  Not that I want them to die, just that I want the challenge to make sure they don't.  

[Lilium]

Nah, that's just a massive Tare. They're at Redcliff I think it was said. Also if your killed in the fade like that you don't just... pop out of the fade, you die. They basically kill your conscious self (or your soul, or whatever the crap is in the fade at that point). Though I have a feeling your going into the fade to fight that demon, and perhaps IB/Sera where put unconscious via the demon throwing there minds into the Fade (like Sloth demon did in DAO).

 

But then you got the other theory of time travel. Which some of the dialog makes it sound like it could be. Though I personally think when Sera says 'that's how they won, how it won' was from the previous situation where Leliana thinks you 'died'. That creature showed up with a mass of whatever and overran you and you guys managed to 'escape'. And the demons just shown up again. Maybe it threw you all into the fade at that point to? No idea either way.

 

Well, in DA2 when you kill your companions in the fade they just wake up. Isn't it just mages that become tranquil if you kill them in the fade? But then I don't know. It just looked like their new pictures of the fade with all those floating rocks and green light. Could be the fade is spilling out into the real world? Then there'd be a lot of moments in the game where you couldn't be sure if you were seeing the real thing or not.

 

The time travel idea is interesting, and it would be really cool if they could pull it off... but I'm not sure how they'd do that...

[cronshaw]

Theory: Part of the reason the final scene plays out the way it did is because the player picked the wrong combination of party characters. Though Iron Bull is powerful, Sera wasn't a good support. Back when ME2 first came out, there was the whole "Mordin glitch" fiasco where people kept having him hold the line and he kept dying. Then finally everyone realized, he was just a bad choice for that part of the mission and it wasn't a glitch.

 

A better support character to Ironbull would delay the demons long enough for Dorian to open the portal and Leliana wouldn't be in the situation she is in

 

The other part of the reason it plays out the way it did was because Leliana was allowed to kill that guys son, leading to his death and lengthening the time it would take to get the amulet to work. 

 

There are other rogue options offered, there three classes to every class. Bioware may have set up the game mechanics to where you get up to two characters of one class killed, so you at least have the one left, or you just set your self out in the cold by getting them all killed. I can't imagine someone screwing up that bad, but hell. In DA:O you could ****** off everyone and end up with only Alistair reluctantly sticking by your side.

 

The ME2 thing only worked because you could choose right there who to leave behind. And the game says exactly what is going on: "the rest of us are going to stay here and fight a shitload of collectors. 

There is no opportunity shown in the demo for the player to choose different characters when you find out people need to hold the door, or any indication beforehand there will be some kind of scripted "hold the line" event as there is in ME2

[Myala]

IMHO Sera is dead, IB is dead and Leliana is about to die.

The reason is because that rift Dorian creates isn't a rift into the fade. It is a time portal.

That is why the characters are all talking as if the battle had already happened, "this is how they won, this is how it won" and Alexias keeps mentioning that how it is too late and you can't change the past. Similar dialogue to other media with time travel elements.

This also explains why the breach outside is so large(they want to go back in time to where it is more manageabke ), why the rift Dorian created is so different looking from the other rifts(it actually looks like a wormhole), and the uniqueness and interest of the amulet and spell.

Sorry for the Necro post. I didnt want to create a new thread but I wanted your guys opinion on this. 

Does this part of the video support my first post hypothesis?

 http://youtu.be/GMgw...FzaZzk?t=5m30s 

[Grieving Natashina]

Next time, just create your own thread.  The mods frown on necromancy.  

[Hellion Rex]

There be necromancers afoot!