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[Vegeta 77]

Sera is knock out just like when rashad evans got ko in ufc both his eyes where open. People get ko with eyes open

[Aaleel]

Well they said it was possible to end the game with one companion, and in the video they said Leliana was only there because you sent her.  Maybe this entire scene was a result of a choice you made and a mission you chose to partake in.  But she definitely looks dead to me.  Is the enemy really going to toss a live person into the room that could wake up and take part in the fight?

[Adhin]

Oh man I had this whole big thing typed up and I think I figured it out. Deleted it all. Lemmy throw this out there for ya, this is great. So Leliana may end up dead or severely wounded by the end of this but IB and Sera? They're unconcious, and lemmy explain WHY, and what your character is about to do. Dorian is opening a portal into the Fade at that very moment. Sera mentions that horrible thing is 'how they won' at some last thing right? Ah but this story has to start at... the beginning, doodllydoodlydoodly...meh.

 

Ok so DAO right? Sloth Demon, Mages tower. Pulls your entire party into the fade. Not your bodies, your bodies are just sitting unconscious on the floor while your brains stuck in the fade. This is something demons have the power to do, we all know this, its happened few times. So here's what im thinking. From a cutscene perspective the other 2 companions go through the door simply because they can't show them 'fighting', can't account for the party class makeup for that scene (kinda like how in ME everyone always uses assault rifles). Leliana plays out her heroic stand off since shes one of the few optional outcomes for this mission. Dorian opens the tare for you to go through. He may jump in the tare with you, he may stay behind to help Leliana I dunno - maybe that one is a choice for the Quizzy.

 

Iron Bull and Sera are unconscious, as I have said (though wasn't thinking of this very thing) by that large demon. He's pulled there minds INTO the fade, forcibly. So they're both knocked out and incapable of escaping. So would he just toss one aside? Yeah, cause outside of defeating its self in the Fade or getting some outside help - they're literally stuck there. Scene ends, your in the fade now! You run into the 2 of them (and maybe Dorian if you told him to come with you instead of help Leliana).

 

So yeah that's how im thinking about it, IB/Sera are brain-fade stuck, you head in physically through the portal tare and join up with Sera/IB and take down that main demon while Leliana and Dorian (or just Leliana) try to escape or fend off the forces. Could very well end up with Dorian and Leliana in the fade too bit later into it when that demon forces them there as well.

 

Ha! hahaha! Theories!

[Adhin]

@Aaleel: Ah was going to mentioning it in the above post before I deleted it - the remark about ending the game with 1 companion was specifically in relation to you pissing all of them off so bad they ran away. Not that they all died. None of it was about them dying, and they haven't mentioned once your companions can abruptly die. Maybe they can, but it hasn't been part of the marketing at all (and every time a companion can die, it's been apart of marketing).

 

Again not saying they can't, or aren't dead, just that people keep using Mike talk about pissing your companions off enough for them to leave as the reason shits dead. It's unrelated topics. But still possible =P

 

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Oh and that pissing them off was a pretty big hurtle, or all of them anyway. You'd have to metagame it to the point of having a crazy character always picking the opposite thing, and ensuring you had the right person in the right mission JUST to make the right choice to ****** them off. Seems excessive and a fun 10th play through for anyone who likes to try to do that.

[Myala]

IMHO Sera is dead, IB is dead and Leliana is about to die.

The reason is because that rift Dorian creates isn't a rift into the fade. It is a time portal.

That is why the characters are all talking as if the battle had already happened, "this is how they won, this is how it won" and Alexias keeps mentioning that how it is too late and you can't change the past. Similar dialogue to other media with time travel elements.

This also explains why the breach outside is so large(they want to go back in time to where it is more manageabke ), why the rift Dorian created is so different looking from the other rifts(it actually looks like a wormhole), and the uniqueness and interest of the amulet and spell.

[Mirrman70]

time travel? really? that would be the crystal skull of Dragon Age. the video game version of jumping the shark.

[Lilium]

IMHO Sera is dead, IB is dead and Leliana is about to die.

The reason is because that rift Dorian creates isn't a rift into the fade. It is a time portal.

That is why the characters are all talking as if the battle had already happened, "this is how they won, this is how it won" and Alexias keeps mentioning that how it is too late and you can't change the past. Similar dialogue to other media with time travel elements.

This also explains why the breach outside is so large(they want to go back in time to where it is more manageabke ), why the rift Dorian created is so different looking from the other rifts(it actually looks like a wormhole), and the uniqueness and interest of the amulet and spell.

Would be interesting if the way to stop the "big bad" and everything was to go back in time and prevent everything, but that would be a hard element to get right in a game like this I think. 

 

As for Sera... Bioware could pull an ME2 on missions like this. We don't know if there's anything we could have done before the mission to prevent it. As David said, we don't know the events surrounding everything. I just hope it takes a LOT to mess up this badly and it's not just because we took the wrong party members. Probably more because we sent Leliana. If it had been the same party members but we sent eg Cullen, then things might have turned out better. 

 

But who knows! 

[Myala]

Would be interesting if the way to stop the "big bad" and everything was to go back in time and prevent everything, but that would be a hard element to get right in a game like this I think.
 
But who knows!

I sure don't know. But after spending a day or two watching and thinking about it, time travel spell fit the most with the what has been said and shown in the demo. I posted here because I had not seen anyone mention it and wanted to know if I had missed anything.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I remember Thane's death. He was still breathing and blinking--a bit disconcerting to be honest.

 

That's because he faked his death. He isn't that great at acting, but he was called for a super secret mission that he couldn't let Shepard know about and everyone had to think he was dead for him to accomplish.

[Black Jimmy]

Based on those pictures, and by extension the videos, she looks pretty dead. Mostly cause of the open eyes.

 

But it's an Alpha build, so it could just mean Sera's eyes didn't close when they were supposed to.

Like how Cass and Varric had brown hair and Leliana had brown eyes.

 

As for Iron Bull, he could still be fighting on the other side of tthe door to overwhelmed to stop a handful getting through.

 

I like idea of being able to lose anyone at any time based on past choices though.

I'm not sure I'd like it in practice however. We'll see.

[Durhon]

I remember this topic coming up when it was shown in E3. I also remember the devs saying everything makes a lot more sense when you play through the whole thing.

[Black Jimmy]

I remember this topic coming up when it was shown in E3. I also remember the devs saying everything makes a lot more sense when you play through the whole thing.

Of course, but that's like saying you'll understand what chicken tastes like when you finally have a bite.

[Adhin]

Time Travel? Could be I guess, that's a hell of a thing to throw into a fail state of an aside though unless we 'always' deal with time travel and this is just a crazier outcome version of that. Sera could also just be pointing to something that happened in the past though, didn't quite make out the thing that showed up that Leliana. I know she didn't say Eluvian but that's what my ears keep translating it to with all the other noises going on. Also can't tell exactly what Sera is saying at the start. But I think shes just saying, semi-quietly, wait- wait... then goes into the Thats how they won, that's how IT won. Anyway yeah could be time travel I guess.

 

Personally hoping they're minds are just pulled fully into the fade. If it IS time travel I really hope its done well, that can go south super quick in story telling.

[Celtic Latino]

I really hope that in this scene (and others) that companions COULD potentially die. It really makes you think about your choices (who you bring, which advisor you use). Perhaps BioWare is trying to drop a hint? 

 

Anyways, this scene kind of reminds of of ME2's Suicide Mission where if you didn't use the right companion(s), one or more of them could potentially get offed. And their deaths weren't exactly ceremonious or lengthy. 

 

Speculation- Thinking that for this scene to be successful, it would be wiser to choose Cullen as an advisor (given his Templar training and having dealt with mages before, plus military might) as well as two (not one) warrior companions. I can't see tiny little Sera handling an invading army of Venatori and demons, but I can sure see Blackwall or Cassandra (and Iron Bull) taking them on, given they are walking meat-shields. Just my thoughts. 

[Aaleel]

IMHO Sera is dead, IB is dead and Leliana is about to die.

The reason is because that rift Dorian creates isn't a rift into the fade. It is a time portal.

That is why the characters are all talking as if the battle had already happened, "this is how they won, this is how it won" and Alexias keeps mentioning that how it is too late and you can't change the past. Similar dialogue to other media with time travel elements.

This also explains why the breach outside is so large(they want to go back in time to where it is more manageabke ), why the rift Dorian created is so different looking from the other rifts(it actually looks like a wormhole), and the uniqueness and interest of the amulet and spell.

 

So that is basically the prologue to the game we saw then.

[leaguer of one]

time travel? really? that would be the crystal skull of Dragon Age. the video game version of jumping the shark.

Magic in dragon age is shown to have no limit to what it can do, you just have to know how to do it. We have it as an understanding the dreamers if powerful enough can change the fade in any way they want and remaking the world anyway they want..But time travel is impossible.

[leaguer of one]

I found a leaked photo of the "Elder One".

Spoiler

[Adhin]

Magic has very real limitations. You can't teleport, you can't resurrect the dead, it's, so far, been governed by rules. Time travel is, at least in my mind, a type of teleportation but I could see it being more believable due to how messed up it is there with the veil/fade being all crazy.

 

ERm, also dreamers can't remake the world anyway they want. They can dick round with the 'fade', sure. The scariest thing they can do is enter 'other' peoples dreams via the fade. Other mages can't, and it ultimately let them play god-assassins when people slept. Cause you gadda sleep at some point, right?

 

Either way, Dragon Age magic has rules, it has limitations, a pretty good amount of them anyway. DnD also has rules but none of those limitations.

[leaguer of one]

Magic has very real limitations. You can't teleport, you can't resurrect the dead, it's, so far, been governed by rules. Time travel is, at least in my mind, a type of teleportation but I could see it being more believable due to how messed up it is there with the veil/fade being all crazy.

 

ERm, also dreamers can't remake the world anyway they want. They can dick round with the 'fade', sure. The scariest thing they can do is enter 'other' peoples dreams via the fade. Other mages can't, and it ultimately let them play god-assassins when people slept. Cause you gadda sleep at some point, right?

 

Either way, Dragon Age magic has rules, it has limitations, a pretty good amount of them anyway. DnD also has rules but none of those limitations.

 It that they don't know how to teleport yet. The elven mirriors shows a way is possible. And with a spirit and enough time it show you can raise the dead. We seen it twice. The limitation of magic is not what it can do but how.

 

And dreamers can remake the world. Read DA:When We sleep. This issue is power.

[Adhin]

No no that's necromancy, I said resurrection. That is far, far different then raising the dead. No one has ever been able to resurrect. The Mirrors though yeah that's been an object to object method to travel vast distances. Either way I don't think time travel is impossible or anything, and very well maybe the case. I just think that's an odd thing to do for a scene most folks will never see. Unless that's a theme for how the whole game is beat, but that's... odd. Get to the end, time travel back to the place you started, beat the boss and... then... get a world state based off that to keep playing?

 

That or this time travel is just for some off side thing that isn't part of the full story and time travle in that? again, possible, but odd is all.

[NewBlue]

IMHO Sera is dead, IB is dead and Leliana is about to die.

The reason is because that rift Dorian creates isn't a rift into the fade. It is a time portal.

That is why the characters are all talking as if the battle had already happened, "this is how they won, this is how it won" and Alexias keeps mentioning that how it is too late and you can't change the past. Similar dialogue to other media with time travel elements.

This also explains why the breach outside is so large(they want to go back in time to where it is more manageabke ), why the rift Dorian created is so different looking from the other rifts(it actually looks like a wormhole), and the uniqueness and interest of the amulet and spell.

Did someone see edge of tomorrow recently?

[leaguer of one]

No no that's necromancy, I said resurrection. That is far, far different then raising the dead. No one has ever been able to resurrect. The Mirrors though yeah that's been an object to object method to travel vast distances. Either way I don't think time travel is impossible or anything, and very well maybe the case. I just think that's an odd thing to do for a scene most folks will never see. Unless that's a theme for how the whole game is beat, but that's... odd. Get to the end, time travel back to the place you started, beat the boss and... then... get a world state based off that to keep playing?

 

That or this time travel is just for some off side thing that isn't part of the full story and time travle in that? again, possible, but odd is all.

Wynne and Evangeline are not undead and what was done to them is not necromancy. It's full resurrection.

 Object to object travel can be teleportation, Especially when it cuts through another dimension.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

*sigh* what do we know about Bioware games in general? That if certain choices are made or if certain quests are not done, companions can die. It has happened in each Mass Effect game and Dragon Age game, all this video showed me was that you can potentially screw up and get your comrades killed.

[Myala]

So that is basically the prologue to the game we saw then.

I didn't even think of that! Is the explosion Cassandra talks about the portal spell from the demo? I just figured it was a character specific or area specific plot that had to do with this time travel portal and not a big theme of the game.

It would not be unimaginable that one mage worked really hard a researched and found a amulet that let him go back in time but with limited or difficult use.