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[jtav]

I need some RP advice. I tend to play Wardens who take the whole Warden thing really seriously. So i tend to think sparing Loghain so I can have another warm body to throw at the darkspawn is the right thing to do. I also think Alistair is a sweetheart until the Landsmeet, but I want to make really sure I don't see him in DAI. (stupid comic). So...romance him, let him duel Loghain, and refuse the DR, or recruit Loghain and let Anora execute him despite this making me slightly sociopathic?

[luna1124]

You make the choice. I have never let Anora execute Alistair. i have let him be king, let him marry Anora, let him kill Loghain and let him leave by sparing Loghain's life, but never let him be executed which would be the worse thing a warden could ever do to him.

[Zjarcal]

Well, letting him duel Loghain saves you the headache of having to make the decision to spare or not, plus it gives you motivation to be pissed at him for taking the decision to kill Loghain right away ("twas my call damn it!"), so that when you refuse the DR it's like "you killed our dragon food, this is on you now".

 

The decision to execute him only seems fitting if your warden hated him all along or if you're super concerned about the political landscape, which eh, it's supposed to be something "serious" wardens don't involve themselves in.

[Mike3207]

I have let Anora execute Alistair in the past, and RP'd it as Alistair's missteps in the Landsmeet put him at risk.It would continue the civil war at some point if he survived the Landsmeet. Eamon would see to it, one way or another. This view might well be borne out by the Drunk Alistair cameo we see in DA2, though there are many ways to interpret it.

The reason I finally decided against that outcome is what it would do to the Theirin line, and what it means to Ferelden. The death of Alistair at the Landsmeet means an end to the Theirins. I'm not fond of Alistair, but I also don't want to be responsible for ending a entire noble family if I can help it.

[Lavaeolus]

Ultimately, if you're looking solely to stop him appearing in Inquisition for the sake of importing, what's going to matter is how much you want Loghain in (there's no guarantee he'll ever show up again, of course, but it's nice to be certain). If you want Loghain, then execute Alistair, and roleplay it as "Oh, this is the best for the kingdom, can't have civil war -- sorry, Alistair", rather than taking the "Finally." option (which will be rather odd if you're not going to be a dick throughout).

 

Otherwise, kill Loghain and feed Alistair to the Archdemon -- romance or no he'll volunteer for it, after all.

[wiccame]

If you tend to take the grey warden thing seriously than I would think the DR is out either way.  I don't think any seasoned or absolutely devoted to the cause warden would risk unleashing something possibly even more dangerous than the Archedemon, and in the hands of Morrigan. 

 

You could romance Alistair, recruit Loghain, have Anora execute him. Refuse the DR and take the US yourself. I know I would want to die if I ever did that to Alistair. 

[Xetykins]

The conversation with him before he goes for execution is pretty heart breaking tho, specially if he's romanced. Some might enjoy it, some like myself who had to look at the tube cuz I will never do it myself.

[Dova]

 The codex will not be forgotten.

Long live the codex!

[wiccame]

The conversation with him before he goes for execution is pretty heart breaking tho, specially if he's romanced. Some might enjoy it, some like myself who had to look at the tube cuz I will never do it myself.

I can't even bring myself to watching someone else do it.  

[Corker]

If it helps, he won't be king if you didn't make him king, comic or not.  As for Calenhad's Mutagenic Adventures, Isabela's After-School Special, and Varric's Untold Story Told, I just try to forget.

[Dabrikishaw]

Just let Anora kill him.

[TEWR]

An Alistair? Is there more then one? I must admit, that's fascinating... the implications alone are amazing!

[caradoc2000]

I don't think any seasoned or absolutely devoted to the cause warden would risk unleashing ...

Yes, but the Warden is definitely not seasoned, and he/she has no reason to be devoted to the cause after being forced into being a warden.

[wiccame]

Yes, but the Warden is definitely not seasoned, and he/she has no reason to be devoted to the cause after being forced into being a warden.

Yes but the op states they like to take the warden thing seriously. So from a rp perspective accepting the DR would not be an option.

[caradoc2000]

Yes but the op states they like to take the warden thing seriously. So from a rp perspective accepting the DR would not be an option.

The self-sacrifice was devised during the First Blight as a last resort. DR might well be an alternative not only for saving the warden but also the Old God who could be brought free from the tainted existence. In that case it would be a win-win situation.

[jtav]

The DR isn't an RP option, no. I'd rather take the blow myself but I fudge the RP a bit so I can set Awakenings flags to my satisfaction without breaking my brain.

Alistair is...an odd case. I find him fairly charming, even if I disagree about Loghain. But between the magical Therin blood, Finona being his mom, and rather annoying DA2 cameos, I'd like to not actually see him again after DAO.

[wiccame]

The self-sacrifice was devised during the First Blight as a last resort. DR might well be an alternative not only for saving the warden but also the Old God who could be brought free from the tainted existence. In that case it would be a win-win situation.

I still cant see a hardcore, stop the blight at any cost warden taking that option.  Firstly, the Archdemon must be stopped, transferring it's soul (untainted or not) would not be a guarantee that it wont just get retainted, and it will be a free soul living in a human surface dwellers body, even easier to find and access.

Secondly, even if it cant be retainted how can the warden be sure they aren't just unleashing something far more powerful and dangerous on the world.

Thirdly, weren't all old gods bad to begin with to some degree. One even luring the magisters into the golden city to destroy the maker or something.

[caradoc2000]

One could view redemption as a plausible solution to the "past sins" i.e. entering the Golden City and creating the taint. DR might save both souls, while sacrifice saves neither.

 

Anyway, this is off-topic.

[sylvanaerie]

Well, Inquisition is supposed to have 'the Keep' which, in theory, allows you to create various world states outside the game.  I suppose this is to cut down on annoying import bugs and to allow those players who didn't play DAO or DA2 to create various game worlds to play in.

 

Of course an Alive Alistair shows up in DA2 regardless of your choices unless you execute him at the Landsmeet or refuse the DR.  I've never been able to kill him at the Landsmeet.  Killing someone just because of who your father is (a father who abandoned him and didn't even claim him) to me is the worst kind of 'wrong'.  That and despoiling the ashes is the only 2 things I haven't done in Origins, can't even watch them on Utube.  

[Corker]

Thirdly, weren't all old gods bad to begin with to some degree. One even luring the magisters into the golden city to destroy the maker or something.

 

Dumat, the Old God of Silence, is said to have taught the magisters the secrets of blood magic.  The Tevinter Imperium worshiped the Old Gods as a result.

 

The magisters used blood magic (and a boatload of lyrium) to physically enter the Fade, darken the Golden City, et cetera and so forth.  But as far as I know, that was their idea, not Dumat's.

[wiccame]

Dumat, the Old God of Silence, is said to have taught the magisters the secrets of blood magic.  The Tevinter Imperium worshiped the Old Gods as a result.

 

The magisters used blood magic (and a boatload of lyrium) to physically enter the Fade, darken the Golden City, et cetera and so forth.  But as far as I know, that was their idea, not Dumat's.

Didn't Corypheus basically say that Dumat promised them the power of the gods, but the city was black. I assumed he meant that Dumat convinced them to go in. 

[BlazingSpeed]

The DR isn't an RP option, no. I'd rather take the blow myself but I fudge the RP a bit so I can set Awakenings flags to my satisfaction without breaking my brain.

Alistair is...an odd case. I find him fairly charming, even if I disagree about Loghain. But between the magical Therin blood, Finona being his mom, and rather annoying DA2 cameos, I'd like to not actually see him again after DAO.

 

Yeah, thanks for that Bioware writers any future convos with Goldanna will be extremely awkward sorry Al the Cousland line of future kings will just have to begin.

[TEWR]

Didn't Corypheus basically say that Dumat promised them the power of the gods, but the city was black. I assumed he meant that Dumat convinced them to go in. 

 

Corypheus: The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the gods themselves. But it was... black... corrupt. Darkness... ever since. How long?

 

His other quotes on the lack of an actual Golden City imply that it was corrupt long before they set foot in there. Additionally, the Kossith settlement ravaged by Darkspawn pre-dates the actual Golden City decision the Magisters did, which vindicates the thing I've said for a couple years now: the Magisters became Awakened Darkspawn through their invasion, but not the First Darkspawn. The evidence we have points to the Primeval Thaig being involved.