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[L. Han]

First off, I would like to keep this discussion relatively clean, as I am not looking for a messy argument. With my time to serve coming up soon, it is hard to not go on about my days without giving it a thought or two. So BSN, what is your stance on the military? Do you respect the people who serve in the military or not? I have my own opinions on it, but I am more interested in seeing from others.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

This is a hippie forums so you'll find little respect for the military here! lol

 

Yes. I respect the honorable and dedicated military staff. If I wasn't disqualified I would likely work in the military.

[L. Han]

I find it a bit hard to convince myself to serve willingly. I can't see how a job that is, more or less, going to require you to hurt or even outright kill someone.

 

How is that honorable or noble?

[Elhanan]

Served for seven years myself, and have a lot of respect for those that place their lives in service to kin and country.

Defense of one's loved ones and country does not always mean going out to kill someone; often involves aiding in times of disaster, crisis, etc.

[L. Han]

^I know that, which is why I am not condemning or calling foul on the idea of the military.

 

I know that the military brings tons of benefit, not just on the personal level, but society as a whole.

 

But I am in two minds about being respected for doing work that is usually frowned down upon. Especially since I have looked up on some stories of teenagers who join up because they just want to hold a gun and commit 'legal murder'. Or the fact that they are just doing it out of pure hatred of whoever the country is currently engaged with.

 

It's just horrible on many levels, and is this the kind of people I should automatically respect?

[Elhanan]

^I know that, which is why I am not condemning or calling foul on the idea of the military.
 
I know that the military brings tons of benefit, not just on the personal level, but society as a whole.
 
But I am in two minds about being respected for doing work that is usually frowned down upon. Especially since I have looked up on some stories of teenagers who join up because they just want to hold a gun and commit 'legal murder'. Or the fact that they are just doing it out of pure hatred of whoever the country is currently engaged with.
 
It's just horrible on many levels, and is this the kind of people I should automatically respect?

That you ponder the question itself suggests that you are not one of those teenagers. And there is a difference between killing and murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of someone, often with malicious and/ or premeditated intent. The defense of one's loved ones, home, and country is not murder.

[L. Han]

^I don't know. My time in the Cadet never once have they ever told us why our enemies or doing what. They just tell us to shoot and kill, which to my surprise so many people cheered in joy about it.

 

I guess I've been through a lot in my little amount of years.

[Raizo]

I'm not big on the concept of wars or the never ending conflict going on in the world but I do respect the military, I have a lot of respect for them. Several of my closest friend all joined the American military, they all served their time in Iraq and thankfully they all returned safe and sound.

I respect their humanitarian efforts and their peace keeping efforts. I also respect what they do for the men and women in their service. One of my friends, he was a bit of a wild child in his teens, I was honestly afraid he would grow up to be a high school drop out, pot head or a gang banger, then he took an interest in the military and they really straightened him out, now he is an extremely educated, well respected member of his community.

[Elhanan]

^I don't know. My time in the Cadet never once have they ever told us why our enemies or doing what. They just tell us to shoot and kill, which to my surprise so many people cheered in joy about it.
 
I guess I've been through a lot in my little amount of years.

While it is not wise to question every order, there is a huge difference between armed assailants and unarmed civilians. One tries not to hurt the latter, and defend their lives by killing the former.

[GMagnumm]

yay go army tbh

[Fishy]

I don't respect an individual simply because he's in the military and I don't hate him either. So I have absolutly no opinion.

[themikefest]

Yes I served in the military and saw combat. Its been 23 years since I wore my uniform. I have great respect for those that have served and currently serving their country.

[CrazyRah]

I think what most people criticize is the military as an organisation. Still, the dudes and dudettes inside aren't really at fault there. They just do their jobs, no need to add a ton of patriotic bollocks behind it.

 

My bro totally said it exactly how i feel. Got nothing at all against the people that serve and do most of the time an insane amount of essential and life saving work that i got huge respect for. I won't just give respect because someone is in the military and never will do that, however i will give respect for those that do good deeds within the military. The military as an organisation however i got not much for

[Eternal Phoenix]

 

I find it a bit hard to convince myself to serve willingly. I can't see how a job that is, more or less, going to require you to hurt or even outright kill someone.

 

How is that honorable or noble?

 

But I am in two minds about being respected for doing work that is usually frowned down upon. Especially since I have looked up on some stories of teenagers who join up because they just want to hold a gun and commit 'legal murder'. Or the fact that they are just doing it out of pure hatred of whoever the country is currently engaged with.

 

It's just horrible on many levels, and is this the kind of people I should automatically respect?

 

It sounds like you're against military. What are we supposed to do if we're being attacked? Pray that Christ Jesus comes down and sweetly talks our enemies out of war like a badass? I would love that but it's not going to happen. Or do we simply put our asses up in the air and scream "our bodies are ready! Proceed!" hmm?

 

Military is required and in war there are causalities.

 

There may be idiots and juvenile people who sign up for stupid reasons but these same people come back as better people. I also think you've got the wrong idea of people in the army if you think most of them "enjoy" killing other people. You say your cadet comrades cheered when hearing the general say "shoot these people" in training but did they cheer when they actually did it for real? Do you think they cheer and act all jolly about death when they've seen people blown up? There might be people like that in the army but don't group all of them together because of a few.

 

If you ask me anyway, killing people like ISIS who want to kill innocent people is honorable work. If you want to get all philosophical with "but any killing is wrong" then what other choice is there other than putting our asses up in the air screaming "our bodies are ready! Proceed!" hmm?

 

I don't think anything of people who serve in the army (as they are all individuals, who unless I've met, I cannot judge) but I don't think negatively of them for performing their job. Their job is something that's required and necessary.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Since most of the bigger countries military gets misused on political agendas and war for territory and resources my respect for people willingly being a part of it -despite knowing what they're really used for- is low. I don't respect what they are and what they are doing, I don't hate them either, I just feel indifferent towards those puppets. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Saddam was the Stalin of Iraq. Whatever happened in Iraq the Shia People of Iraq are content now and proudly fighting ISIS voluntarily. Shia people may have weird ceremonies but they've never been extremest in the last 300 years.

 

 

Though 'Assassin's Order' in early 1000s - 1256 was a branch of 6 Imami Shia!

[Fidite Nemini]

It's a job like everything else if you're a professional and it's basically forced labour if you're conscripted (even though it's for a reason and you're usually paid good for it).

 

That's my opinion on it in a nutshell. Whether someone deserves respect or not (or rather deserves disrespect as my default mode is respectful to start with) is judged on a case-by-case basis. Some people in the military don't deserve it, most just do their job and some people in the military don't get the respect they deserve.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

My comments are often side-notes... extra semi-off-topic info.