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[Sion1138]

I knew the general chain of command when I served from '75-'82. Have no idea of the current one other than the current CIC.

Official reasons were confirmed by most of the other intel brokers of the world, and then like missing reasons were discovered elsewhere in the time since. As the leader of that regime commonly abused those in his charge and country, I am proud that we were involved in setting many towards freedom.

While I was clueless as to who gave what orders and when, I knew as a soldier and a human being what generally right and wrong. Sadly, things in the media and elsewhere can be rather murky at times, as well as many with conflicting opinions from those that serve.

But here is the thing: those who serve guard and defend the right for opposing opinions. In many places like Iraq, those rights did not exist. You're welcome.

 

Intel brokers? Source it. 

 

Studies and memos released to the public state the opposite.

 

Also, the world saw very little of what you describe and even given the possibility of media bias, which goes both ways, the big picture did not look anywhere near good. Given that the civilian death toll was in the hundreds of thousands, and overall close to a million, you simply can not put a positive spin on it. Talk about defending rights when so many lost the right to live.

 

Finally, consider the state of the country today and then repeat how proud you are.

 

I do not mean to deride every soldier who ever lived but I can not stand how much people are willing to ignore for reason of false emotional appeal.

[Fidite Nemini]

Well said.

 

Now get your ass to the anime thread.

 

No.

 

Going to exploit the 2x XP event for Bf4 some more. Want to finally hit the level cap.

[Han Shot First]

O/T, but Septon Meribald's speech is one of the best monologues of all time.

[Reynes-of-Castamere]

How am I false? You just proved my point right there (and used an ought/should argument, which is a not an empirical based argument). It comes down to a case of personal perspectives and views on what is good and not good, desirable and undesirable. The reason I labeled it as such is because I'm personally disgusted by that aspect of our military culture, and I tend to avoid it whenever possible.

I'm not going to go into a big tangent about things here, mainly because I do fall in to at least one of the categories you've labeled for people you don't think are necessarily of a beneficial state for the militay. I for one am one of those atheists in the military who has faced mild discrimination and harassment in the past over my position. I'm not opposed to religion or unit prayer, but I am opposed to it being ingrained into the culture and institution of the military.

While I'll agree that there are a lot of problems and flaws with the way politics and the military mingle, I don't think we'd ever agree on what those problems are. This can be pretty polarizing of a topic and is best avoided when it interferes with espirit de corps and internal unit politics.

Everything in the world is a case of ought/should have happened. Perhaps I was under the impression that you were saying that the military was being unfair when you weren't saying that. Yes there are questions that have to be addressed and should be in a manner removed from politics, but I don't think the military is being unfair to any of the aforementioned groups. I'd say I'm more opposed to the notion that military culture is somehow "wrong" than by any part of it. It's not something that everybody has to embrace and its not something to be "corrected". It simply exists.

I'm not saying that those groups can't or shouldn't be in the military, my problem is only with those individuals who make a big deal about it. The type who think they're special, that everybody needs to know about their views/lifestyle/whatever, and that nobody is allowed to ever offend them. One of the lessons everybody should learn in basic is that the real world is an offensive place and to just suck it up and deal with it. That's what we all have to do in life.

Those who behave in such a childish manner do not represent a majority of those groups, but they are there and their behavior is more likely to be "overlooked" due to the fear of backlash from somebody higher up. I'd have the same problem with anybody else who behaved in such a manner, but when they're part of the "majority" things tend to work as they should and whatever problem is occurring gets corrected. That fear and pressure isn't there in those cases. Of course this sort of thing is a problem across all of society. Fear of every offending certain groups and not others.

[Elhanan]

Honestly, there is so much disinformation out there, I am unable to link anything credible. There are tons of docs which are dull as dirt, as well as articles siting varied POV to this day. If I post one side or the other, a call of bias could be made.

What can be confirmed: many others believed the same thing going back years before the war, including the use of chemical gas.

And I remain proud of my country, as well as the office that leads it. While I differed in views to the President during my own time in service, as I differ with the current one now, I used my vote to oppose him; not rhetoric or disrespect while under their command. While I may not respect the man, I do respect the office and authority for which it stands.

And I encourage those that currently serve to also make sure to vote early, so it is heard.

[Sion1138]

Honestly, there is so much disinformation out there, I am unable to link anything credible. There are tons of docs which are dull as dirt, as well as articles siting varied POV to this day. If I post one side or the other, a call of bias could be made.

What can be confirmed: many others believed the same thing going back years before the war, including the use of chemical gas.

And I remain proud of my country, as well as the office that leads it. While I differed in views to the President during my own time in service, as I differ with the current one now, I used my vote to oppose him; not rhetoric or disrespect while under their command. While I may not respect the man, I do respect the office and authority for which it stands.

And I encourage those that currently serve to also make sure to vote early, so it is heard.

 

See, that's my general complaint right there.

 

This is a statement of faith.

[Elhanan]

No. I have faith in God; not politicians, officers, and other authorities. But I honor the latter because of the former.

And in general, it seems to be all complaints.

As for the thread topic, I support military service, but it should not be done half-heartedly. Service requires maturity to be done correctly and well, IMO.

[mybudgee]

Lol

[Sion1138]

No. I have faith in God; not politicians, officers, and other authorities. But I honor the latter because of the former.
 

 

Case in point.

 

You should have said that sooner, I might not have bothered.

[L. Han]

I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of 'defending one's country'. 

 

If everyone believes that, then how are we still having countries invading another?

[Han Shot First]

I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of 'defending one's country'. 

 

If everyone believes that, then how are we still having countries invading another?

 

Because defending one's country also means, at least for some, defending national interests.

 

Of course whether or not those national interests are worth fighting for depends on the cause.

[Elhanan]

Not all military forces have the same mindset. In the current war, the USA and others oppose terrorists; ones that do not hold to any country, and as I see it, make a mockery of any religion they profess to hold.

[Sion1138]

Not all military forces have the same mindset. In the current war, the USA and others oppose terrorists; ones that do not hold to any country, and as I see it, make a mockery of any religion they profess to hold.

 

Judging from the content of their scriptures, they're behavior should be expected.

 

The Qur'an is not all sunshine and flowers, quite the opposite in fact.

 

The same goes for the Bible but fortunately it's not being adhered to all that much.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

It's funny how the screwed up social engineering of President Johnson plus other imported factors in the 60s created generations of ungrateful and arrogant government-hating hippies and punks, then this culture has been exported via "media" throughout the world. Though there is not much of them h&p remained they have put their influences in the societies and the progressive media don't give up in spreading their influence: Government is bad, military is bad, traditions are bad, family structure is nonsense etc.