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[ReelRipper]

So there are two bisexual characters, two homosexual characters, and two straight characters. So far its looking pretty fair and balanced.

[setrus86]

Well to be fair, in life, nearly every person out there is "romancable". Doesn't matter if they're gay/lesbian, bi, straight, male, female, transexual...they're all people who can fall in love with the right person.

 

Which of course makes Dragon age, as well as any game, frustrating in that aspect, in its limitations. There are a limited amount of options out there in terms of what to say to the npc and what to do that'll affect their disposition towards you, not to mention that you - as a player - are aware that you're playing a game. As such, you can very well chose the responses and actions that you know will have the "right" effect on the npc you're aiming for.

 

It is comparable to in real life pretending you're a doctor and that you know a lot of things to that intellectual girl...or whatever. Basically you as the player is then "decieving" the npc by playing the numbers. Considering that there really isn't anything at stake here, no one can get hurt or the like, there's nothing inherently wrong with it...but it does make these romance options feel a little odd, I'm sure.

 

The absolute ultimate thing would of course be to be hard on your own character and ONLY allow reponses and actions fitting his or her character, and then SEE if that leads to a romance...but of course, it's all too easy to choose "I'd like that" over "maybe" (or the "heart" over the "hammer", whatever) when you realise you're close to a romance you'd want...

 

So basically I'm saying that a game can't really capture how avability works because in the end the limitations offered by the game and its mechanics means that "seduction" is very easy.

So not so much a case of "everybody wants to sleep with me" as it is "I can sleep with anyone I want." It's a hairline distinction, yes, but it's there. 

[SofaJockey]

There are two approaches to non-romanceable characters:

1. You cannot flirt with some characters determined by your race, gender or their non-romanceable status.
2. You can flirt with a character but if their race, gender or romantic preference counts against you, they decline.

Despite any announcements about who is a love interest and who is not, it would be better if romance attempts were possible in all circumstances as a player choice even if some of those proposals were rebuffed. That would be better than the topic simply being unavailable.

[BlueMagitek]

That's not the criticism.

It's that the prominent female characters are all love interests. It figures into larger trends about the representation of women and who is and isn't important.

Branka - Oghren's wife.
Caridin - no one's husband
Anora - could be married
Arl Emon, Loghian - no sexual relations

Meredith and Ethena are the best exceptions to this. They're prominent female characters who are LIs... though they're both dead along with Wynne, Mama Hawke, and (possibly) Bethany.

There's also Aveline and Shale, but we don't know if they're going to be appearing.

If we knew a few more important female characters that were regular NPCs, this might be easier. Celene? She seems the most likely.

 

Your examples are a bit off.

 

Caridin was a giant mind control free Golem stuck miles and miles in darkspawn infested territory.

 

Arl Eomen - Isolde's husband.  Unless you kill Isolde, which doesn't really change that he's romantically involved.

 

Loghain is your best example, but he had love interests in the past, hence having a daughter.

 

Lanaya becomes the Keeper of the Dalish camp in 2/3 scenarios, including the optimally presented one.  She doesn't appear to have a lover.  Zathrian, on the other hand, is a grieving father and disappears or dies in every scenario.

 

Bhelen has your sister as his, or one of his, lovers. 

[wetnasty]

I agree with BlueMagitek. Your examples aren't quite there. 

 

I think there are more men and women in Thedas with romantic connections than not. 

 

Army representation, we'll have an argument, your point? Not so much.

[disgruntled-gamer]

With set sexuality, the notion of "every female will sleep with you" is ridiculous.

 

If you play as a male, Sera won't. 

If you play as a female, Cassandra won't. 

 

The Irony is looking at the two and their descriptions you'd think it would be the opposite way around.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Irony is looking at the two and their descriptions you'd think it would be the opposite way around.

You mean Cassandra and Sera? 

[Fizzie Panda]

The game isn't saying "all females are romanceable" okay? I'm sure there are more prominent females figures that aren't romanceable like Leliana and Morrigan, and sadly maybe Dagna as well

[disgruntled-gamer]

You mean Cassandra and Sera? 

 

On top of being butch Cassandra looks gay and with a name like “The Wild Card”  You’d think Sara would at least swing both ways.

[EmperorSahlertz]

So what exactly is the issue being discussed? That females are romancable, or the manner in which they are? I don't really see any issue at all here... 

[Grieving Natashina]

So what exactly is the issue being discussed? That females are romancable, or the manner in which they are? I don't really see any issue at all here... 

I think it's the fact that it looks like all of the female companions are going to be romances, and if I'm understanding the OP correctly, it means that they will easily fall into our arms.  I think. I have no real idea.  It wasn't exactly coherent.  

 

On top of being butch Cassandra looks gay and with a name like “The Wild Card”  You’d think Sara would at least swing both ways.

 

Oh yeah, this thread is going to get locked.  I suggest you guys bail while you can.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

On top of being butch Cassandra looks gay and with a name like “The Wild Card”  You’d think Sara would at least swing both ways.

I always saw Cassandra as the straight option. Plus being butch doesn't mean you are gay. And there is no 'gay look'.

Sera I thought would be bi more in a metagame sense with her being the only non-human female. 

 

 

So what exactly is the issue being discussed? That females are romancable, or the manner in which they are? I don't really see any issue at all here... 

Someone in Twitter thread did the whole "Bioware is objectifying women by having all be LIs or LIs from previous games" thing, so it was brought here after asked. 

[ReelRipper]

DAMN IT WHO LIT THAT STICK OF DYNAMITE?!?!?!!?!?!

[Ceoldoren]

This seems like a stupid thing to complain about, if all the female companions are romanceable  it's to keep things even. Not because Bioware wants to objectify women.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

You know the Inquisitor has to start the romance right? It's not like they're going to actively pursue you.

[Grieving Natashina]

This seems like a stupid thing to complain about, if all the female companions are romanceable  it's to keep things even. Not because Bioware wants to objectify women.

I am a woman and this is my favorite post in the thread.

[Urazz]

Yeah, Cassandra always struck me as being straight.  She comes across as the basic strong fairy tail heroine stereotype to me and those types are pretty much straight unless the author(s) of the story are trying to break the stereotype.

 

I don't know why some people think of her as being "butch" as she doesn't behave like a man.  Being an aggressive woman that doesn't like doing womanly things such as knitting or being into fashion doesn't strike me as being butch.

[Mihura]

The problem is not having female characters with romances, it is, having too much male character and making all the female character LIs for this game or from the previews ones.

This problem could had been easily resolve if we had more than three female companions. Unless the last two LIs are male, this is indeed an issue. Some characters should not be available to romance ever. Making one gender fully available that tends to be associated with romance and it's implications, is problematic at best.

[disgruntled-gamer]

I always saw Cassandra as the straight option. Plus being butch doesn't mean you are gay. And there is no 'gay look'.

Sera I thought would be bi more in a metagame sense with her being the only non-human female. 

 

 

 

Being butch doesn't mean you are gay but it doesn't help  and there is a bit of a look to it.

 

[ReelRipper]

Just because she doesn't have overly long hair or boobs that could cause her back to snap in half doesn't make her any less feminine than the next woman.

[disgruntled-gamer]

Just because she doesn't have overly long hair or boobs that could cause her back to snap in half doesn't make her any less feminine than the next woman.

 

With that aside she still fails, only really good looking girls can "successfully" pull off the short hair..... She can not.

[Chernaya]

With that aside she still fails, only really good looking girls can "successfully" pull off the short hair..... She can not.

 

[Sir DeLoria]

With that aside she still fails, only really good looking girls can "successfully" pull off the short hair..... She can not.

I also don't think she's great looking, but what does it matter? Her looks have nothing to do with her sexuality.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Considering the Inquiz starts the romance, I like to think that flirting with them sparks the interests and not that they secretly want you. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Some females that I'm pretty sure don't have any major romantic ties; Velanna, Sigrun, Arianne, Flemeth, Sister Petrice, Tallis.

 

I think they should have just had at least one more female companion, though. There will be three companions that aren't romanceable. One might as well have been a female.