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That is good to know for my eventual Thane playthrough. Rather not waked up next to some one else after I just held Shepard's boyfriend's funeral and all.
If you romanced Thane, it doesn't trigger it I think since Thane has romance content in the Citadel DLC.
If you romanced Thane, it doesn't trigger it I think since Thane has romance content in the Citadel DLC.
Could have sworn I heard it still happened since you can not lock in a Thane romance in ME3 never got far enough with the Citdel with him but I have had Kaidan hit on my Shepard very close after he died, so I was cautious when I heard about the Javik thing and put the Thane play through on the back burner.
Could have sworn I heard it still happened since you can not lock in a Thane romance in ME3 never got far enough with the Citdel with him but I have had Kaidan hit on my Shepard very close after he died, so I was cautious when I heard about the Javik thing and put the Thane play through on the back burner.
Well, just have the calm party just in case. It's better anyway in my opinion.
Well, just have the calm party just in case. It's better anyway in my opinion.
I'll do that haven't done the calm party yet anyway would kind of make sense to keep things quite with that Shepard any way. Thanks for the heads up on how to avoid that uncomfortable mess.
I'll do that haven't done the calm party yet anyway would kind of make sense to keep things quite with that Shepard any way. Thanks for the heads up on how to avoid that uncomfortable mess.
You're welcome. Glad I could help. 
OK Here's a couple for consideration:
1. Elves aren't straight
So far elf LI's are all bi. This reminds me of people claiming elves in other games (pr movies) sound 'gay', like Warcraft for instance (No, not WOW).
2 No loving for Dwarves
No Dwarf LI. Apparently mainly due to cinematics. my Dwarf Warden was scaled up in the romance scenes with Morrigan, which made him look 400lb 
This makes me wonder how The Iron Bull will play out with a Dwarf Inquisitor now that Epler has fixed the cinematics. 
but even the straight sailors
Lol.
That's all.
heh, which admittedly is 7 out of 9 of them. But before they learn she is a girl, they actually think she is a handsome guy. Afterwards it is just playfulness on their part that doesn't mean anything.
In Dragon Age specifically? Most Andrastians are straight/sexuality never talked about, and if you're a Templar (in any sense of the word, i.e. Seeker), you are definitely straight. Cullen, Cassandra, Alistair, Evangeline. All straight (Evie could be bi, but I doubt that will ever happen). Templars are never LGBT, and Andrastians only rarely (when sexuality is brought up of course).
The Serendipity thing (i.e. drag queens/kings = transgenders when they don't. Also any form of crossdressing (whether for performance or not) being a joke all the time.)
Also, male LIs tend to be more "unconventionally attractive" while female LIs tend not to be (only "pretty" elves and humans).
1.Anders, Zavern, Lilianna are Andrastians and they are bi. The Divine current is into girls.
2. That's the only time of transgender the game can get. This is a world in post-midevil times.
3. And the male LI is "unconventionally attractive"? Men would kill to be half as attractive as the male li in the games.
2. That's the only time of transgender the game can get. This is a world in post-midevil times.
Considering people can be openly gay or bi, that argument doesn't work so much.
1. Elves aren't straight
So far elf LI's are all bi. This reminds me of people claiming elves in other games (pr movies) sound 'gay', like Warcraft for instance (No, not WOW).
Sera is gay. True we have yet to have a straight elf LI, but there are straight elves in the setting (Soris, for instance) so that's something.
One thing I've noticed in DA2, is that only female LI have "sexy time". both Anders and Fenris have all the equipmant on, armour and all. Only femHawke (I don't know with maleHawke) reveal a little skin with Fenris. that is totally dressed. with weapon on the back.
with Anders, he didn't even take the staff off his back. at least Fenris during the kiss don't have the weapon on.
I'm not a fan of sex scene, but at least a male without shirt on, just to help imagination in those scene! expecially because the female LI instead reveal much skin in contrast. Is...just unfair that males are so...shy. 
All female LIs' for females normally fall into a fun/sweet/cute gal pal type of thing.
1.Anders, Zavern, Lilianna are Andrastians and they are bi. The Divine current is into girls.
2. That's the only time of transgender the game can get. This is a world in post-midevil times.
3. And the male LI is "unconventionally attractive"? Men would kill to be half as attractive as the male li in the games.
I probably shouldn't be doing this, but...
1. First I said most, and even if I hadn't, the fact that exceptions to a trope exist do not disprove the trope. That's like saying the straight white male gamer doesn't exist as a trope, because there are other types of gamers. Patently false. As the the Divine, she was a former bard, so we have no idea if her thing with Marjolaine was 'business related' or true attraction. That's been brought up several times now, and the answer remains, we have no idea what her sexuality is. It, like with most bards, remains ambiguous.
2. Transgender=/=drag no matter what world you live in. Drag is a type of performance, often a bit over exaggerated. Being transgender is being born in the wrong body. Transgenders are not 'cross-dressing' really, and it is never a performance. And telling us Serendipity was trans felt like a joke, the over-affectations, the remarkably deep voice and overdressing are heralds of being a drag queen not a trans woman. I feel like this needs to be said again so, a transwoman is just a woman, a drag queen is an over-stylized portrayal of a woman. Not the same thing. This doesn't change no matter when you are (though Dragon Age resides in its own separate universe, not really our 'post medieval' era.)
3. Point of taste, many people have brought this up on the forums, so I brought it up here. For reference, lithe and petite is what is considered 'conventionally attractive' as in every female LI ever. If Aveline had been an LI, this wouldn't be a thing as much.
What do you mean by women have narrower standards of beauty Allan? Do you think all beautiful women in games look the same (to which I partially agree; I think 'attrative' women in games all have roughly the same body type but I think they vary sufficiently in the face) or do you mean female gamers have narrower standards?
Lack of Dwarf on Dwarf action... i realy hope there are no kid characters now.
"If you're devout, chivalric/virtuous, or knightly/heroic, you're straight."
This seems to be a very common thread, at least for gay (male) romance options. The good, virtuous guy (LI) gets the girl. It's most evidenced in DAO with Alistair being unavailable to male players. In DA2 there really weren't any LI's I'd call virtuous or heroic. I'm glad to have Dorian and IB in DAI, but reading about the character's pasts and having Cullen restricted makes it seem like we're falling back into the same pattern of virtuous and "knightly" characters being straight only. The same goes for virginal LI's, never encountered one that's gay or bi before. It seems that to be a gay (or bi) LI in the DA universe a character needs to have a "dark" or "rebellious" past that defies social conventions. That doesn't mean they aren't well written and engaging characters (definitely plan to romance Dorian), but that being said, just once, as a gay man, I'd love to be able to romance the "chivalrous, virtuous, knightly, heroic" guy, rather than the "tragic backstory, rebellious, promiscuous" guy.
What do you mean by women have narrower standards of beauty Allan? Do you think all beautiful women in games look the same (to which I partially agree; I think 'attrative' women in games all have roughly the same body type but I think they vary sufficiently in the face) or do you mean female gamers have narrower standards?
He means that what is considered beautiful on women characters, especially love interests, is quite a bit more narrow than for male characters. Not so much that they look alike but their variety is less than the men. Also conventionally good looking is more of a requirement.
Take Cassandra, Vivienne, Josephine, and Sera. Cass has a wide jaw and short hair, josie has a mole, Sera doesn't bother with her hair, and Vivienne is bald but wears hats all the time. These really are minor "flaws", that I think makes the characters look great...now the men.
Iron Bull is Huge! And has an eyepatch and scars! Solas is bald and in nearly all his art doesn't cover it up and doesn't even have stubble there like Vivienne. Blackwall is old and muscular with a beard and longish hair. Varric is very short(being a dwarf and all) Dorian has a mustach.These have been stated as "flaws" for some people but weirdly not more often than the flaws for the ladies above show up, especially Cassandra.
While all the women are more or less conventionally attractive, only Dorian and Cullen among the men would appear to be equally conventional in their looks.
I probably shouldn't be doing this, but...
1. First I said most, and even if I hadn't, the fact that exceptions to a trope exist do not disprove the trope. That's like saying the straight white male gamer doesn't exist as a trope, because there are other types of gamers. Patently false. As the the Divine, she was a former bard, so we have no idea if her thing with Marjolaine was 'business related' or true attraction. That's been brought up several times now, and the answer remains, we have no idea what her sexuality is. It, like with most bards, remains ambiguous.
2. Transgender=/=drag no matter what world you live in. Drag is a type of performance, often a bit over exaggerated. Being transgender is being born in the wrong body. Transgenders are not 'cross-dressing' really, and it is never a performance. And telling us Serendipity was trans felt like a joke, the over-affectations, the remarkably deep voice and overdressing are heralds of being a drag queen not a trans woman. I feel like this needs to be said again so, a transwoman is just a woman, a drag queen is an over-stylized portrayal of a woman. Not the same thing. This doesn't change no matter when you are (though Dragon Age resides in its own separate universe, not really our 'post medieval' era.)
3. Point of taste, many people have brought this up on the forums, so I brought it up here. For reference, lithe and petite is what is considered 'conventionally attractive' as in every female LI ever. If Aveline had been an LI, this wouldn't be a thing as much.
Gender is a construct. We're all in drag.
In DA2 there really weren't any LI's I'd call virtuous or heroic.
Sebastian is probably the closest fit, and he's straight too.
Almost every romance option consist of a person with a good or neutral alignment.
(No true options for villanous, powerhungry, deceptive or morally ambigious characters)
Gender is a construct. We're all in drag.
You might as well say "all the world's a stage," which is a poetic sentiment, but not very helpful for real world discussion. Drag is deliberately over-the-top to the point of being shocking, theatrical, or comical, in order to challenge gender as a construct. There is intent behind it that clearly differs from other gender performance.
I mean gender is a construct, and no one fits it perfectly. So there is definitely the idea we are all putting on the role of men/women since pinpointing gender perfectly is beyond language. That said, there are plenty of understandings what it does include. (And the horrible dichotomy of if it isn't one than it is the other) And drag is very different. And Trans is basically knowing that what other people assign to you as regards to gender, is not true, and is so not true that society puts every roadblock to prevent you from dissasociating from their assignation.
And Trans is basically knowing that what other people assign to you as regards to gender, is not true, and is so not true that society puts every roadblock to prevent you from dissasociating from their assignation.
This seems disingenuous. There are plenty of trans people who buy into the gender binary and uphold biological determinism and gender essentialism.
Either way, it's a derail. Gender identity and trans representation has very little to do with romance, other than that the exclusion of trans people in DA also excludes them from romance.
He means that what is considered beautiful on women characters, especially love interests, is quite a bit more narrow than for male characters. Not so much that they look alike but their variety is less than the men. Also conventionally good looking is more of a requirement.
Take Cassandra, Vivienne, Josephine, and Sera. Cass has a wide jaw and short hair, josie has a mole, Sera doesn't bother with her hair, and Vivienne is bald but wears hats all the time. These really are minor "flaws", that I think makes the characters look great...now the men.
Iron Bull is Huge! And has an eyepatch and scars! Solas is bald and in nearly all his art doesn't cover it up and doesn't even have stubble there like Vivienne. Blackwall is old and muscular with a beard and longish hair. Varric is very short(being a dwarf and all) Dorian has a mustach.These have been stated as "flaws" for some people but weirdly not more often than the flaws for the ladies above show up, especially Cassandra.
While all the women are more or less conventionally attractive, only Dorian and Cullen among the men would appear to be equally conventional in their looks.
Im not sure I quite see the difference. Id say Iron Bull is exceptional given that he is Qunari but if not i'll grant you that. Vivienne as a physical character is hardly different from Solas (and you can probably remove her hat). Even if you couldnt I would say that is more in favour of her variety than against it (it is a very unusual hat). I dont think I need to touch the beard and moustache thing since it would be very weird if the female characters possessed these facial features. As for age well I dont recall too many older male companions prior to Blackwall (maybe Sten) but I do recall Wynne from DA:O. The guys in the Dragon Age series tend to be more on the conventional attractive side than not imo (Zevran, Alistair, Fenris). This is not to say that the women arent supposed to be conventionally attractive (and as I said in my previous post they all tend to have the same athletic body type) but when it comes to facial features I dont see any INEXPLICABLE differences between the sexes (I would again stress that moustaches and beards are quite explicable differences)
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