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I think "Academic" still works the best. Brainy/nerdy types can still be applied to a lot of things. But yeah, a scholar that is very interested in learning/researching/understanding.
Yep. Academic Men. We have plenty of academic women as love interests.
So does this mean Solas = LI ? 
Yeah, the thing is that if you have that LI type, they can only be straight. Which means the queer LI will end up being the sexually adventurous, non-conventional one again.
Who says people in Thedas can't get married to the same sex? Even if it isn't common, you and the LI can be an exception to the norm.
You can kill Ashley or Kaiden in ME 3 during the Cerberus Coup when they attack the Citadel
Yeah I understand that, I mean don't get me wrong I don't mean to sound ungrateful or anything I always though Dragon Age did romance better than Mass Effect and I was happy when you guys announced that romance was getting an overhaul
You don't sound ungrateful. I'm also answering it because I'm sure other people also share the perspective, and it can help them out too. Apologies if I came across a bit overbearing with it.
"The perfect girl/boyfriend" trope. Never hear any banter about PC screwing up once PC is established in relationship, which would be kind of funny. And not in a plot altering, massive way of screwing up, but just normal oops crap that friends could remind them. Like "Anders was mad the last time you forgot to feed his cat." or forgetting a birthday. The closest I thing that was touched on was Anders/Merril scene with the dog scene. And maybe that one banter between Alistair and Zevran about the night in the tent.
Don't think the scene is necessary, but banter might be cool.
We'd have to do a bit more thorough analysis over who can die among the LI.
From DAO:
Alistair can die
Leliana can die
Zevran can die
(I don't think Morrigan can?)
From DA2:
Isabela/Fenris/Anders can all have **** things happen to them. Merrill is free? I cannot remember
From Mass Effect 1:
The choice is between Ashley and Kaiden, whom are both LI, between who lives and who dies.
ME2:
All companions (LI or not) can end up dead in the game.
ME3
I'm not sure, TBH. Beyond Steve crashing and whatnot. I think with extended cut, anyone can die at the very end.
The Mass Effect games, however, have poor LGBT representation in general.
We could just be giant monsters that likes to kill off love interests! How does the distribution look to you?
Right, I get the point that straight characters can die too, but in my second post, I was rethinking my discomfort and realizing it was specifically that the games seem to largely have written in the ability for homophobic gamers to entirely avoid having to deal with the bisexual characters at all.
I just don't like that the player can easily kill/cruelly get rid of so many of the non-straight characters. (While I was playing DAO for the first time, I swear, everytime I went to look up something online about Zevran or a quest involving him, I came across guys talking uncomfortably cheerful about murdering him at the very first meeting.)
This is likely a marketing/ buissness issue. There are still a lot of cultures/religions that take offence to homosexuality, sad, but true. For a game or any product for that matter, that wants to reach the largest market possible; it would be a very bad business decision to make a major companion prominently gay.
I seriously doubt this is the reason why. I could be wrong, but if I am that is kind of disappointing.
You can make some argument about Alistair and Morrigan (being unskippable companions where Zev and Leliana can both be left behind), but Kaiden is bisexual in ME3 and Liara was the only non-hetero option through ME1 and ME2. Cassandra may be straight, but you can't take Cullen on missions with you and he isn't really more important than Sera or Dorian. There are also 2 homosexual companion romances and 1 heterosexual companion romance.
It's important to note that until people play the game, people on either side aren't really equipped to say whether or not Cassandra or Cullen (or anyone else) are or are not important based on their status as companion or advisor and whatnot.
We'd have to do a bit more thorough analysis over who can die among the LI.
From DAO:
Alistair can die
Leliana can die
Zevran can die
(I don't think Morrigan can?)
From DA2:
Isabela/Fenris/Anders can all have **** things happen to them. Merrill is free? I cannot remember
From Mass Effect 1:
The choice is between Ashley and Kaiden, whom are both LI, between who lives and who dies.
ME2:
All companions (LI or not) can end up dead in the game.
ME3
I'm not sure, TBH. Beyond Steve crashing and whatnot. I think with extended cut, anyone can die at the very end.
The Mass Effect games, however, have poor LGBT representation in general.
We could just be giant monsters that likes to kill off love interests! How does the distribution look to you?
You forgot that Alistair could also leave and become a drunkard. Oh Secret Companion...
And Morrigan can technically be killed in Witch Hunt, which I think was supposed to happen along the same time as Awakening? Don't quote me on that.
You don't sound ungrateful. I'm also answering it because I'm sure other people also share the perspective, and it can help them out too. Apologies if I came across a bit overbearing with it.
Nah you didn't just being respectful, you guys work hard so it must be a bummer when gamers say I hated this or this game sucks or this feature sucks. Just never had a game that did romance right to me but I could see it being hard to get right since its hard to get it right in real life lol.
It's important to note that until people play the game, people on either side aren't really equipped to say whether or not Cassandra or Cullen (or anyone else) are or are not important based on their status as companion or advisor and whatnot.
This is true, I was mostly basing this on the fact that they were both already established in previous games and had fan followings before DAI was even announced.
Also their status as LI's was established relatively early.
Tangent: Does DA2's reality of having the romanceable characters all be bisexual complicate things in any way?
YES ! However, sadly, I have run out of likes. But yes, we want nerdy, brainy, intelligent men as love interests.
Yes and nerdy, brainy, intelligent women as love interests too. Preferably bi and/or lesbians.
I think "Academic" still works the best. Brainy/nerdy types can still be applied to a lot of things. But yeah, a scholar that is very interested in learning/researching/understanding.
Yep that works.
By the way Miranda does not fit this image, she's intelligent yes but not a scholar as she is focused only on achieving goals rather than the research for the sake of research/knowledge. I think actually we're looking at different archetypes, the scholar who is learning, research and understanding based for the knowledge in and of itself (Liara, Mordin) versus the character who is intelligent, cunning and uses their intelligence to further definite goals and/or agendas (Miranda, Morrigan and possibly Vivienne, Celene and Anora). Is it just me or does the latter category tend to feature a lot more women? 
Unsure and definitely looking for other examples.
You can make some argument about Alistair and Morrigan (being unskippable companions where Zev and Leliana can both be left behind), but Kaiden is bisexual in ME3 and Liara was the only non-hetero option through ME1 and ME2. Cassandra may be straight, but you can't take Cullen on missions with you and he isn't really more important than Sera or Dorian. There are also 2 homosexual companion romances and 1 heterosexual companion romance.
Yeah although the devs from ME said Liara is not a Bi/lesbian romance because her race is not female so I'm not actually sure what category you put her in. Though this is a whole other can of worms and I may be bitter about it.
Yikes this thread is moving quickly. 
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I seriously doubt this is the reason why. I could be wrong, but if I am that is kind of disappointing.
You forgot that Alistair could also leave and become a drunkard. Oh Secret Companion...
And Morrigan can technically be killed in Witch Hunt, which I think was supposed to happen along the same time as Awakening? Don't quote me on that.
I think we can be pretty sure at this point that she didn't die...
Right, I get the point that straight characters can die too, but in my second post, I was rethinking my discomfort and realizing it was specifically that the games seem to largely have written in the ability for homophobic gamers to entirely avoid having to deal with the bisexual characters at all.
I just don't like that the player can easily kill/cruelly get rid of so many of the non-straight characters.
That's a fair concern. It's something that maybe I struggle with, because I can (divorced from the character's sexuality) probably come up with a reasonable reason why a companion could be removed from the Inquisition in a particular playthrough. But that said, I'm also probably infinitely less sensitive/aware of the incidents when they happen because of my privilege, so I can be blind.
Is it reasonable that, in some cases, a companion can be removed (or even killed) for some reason, and that a solution is simply that in some cases, a character that this cannot happen to is an LGBTQ character?
I tend to have a leaning towards "we should let the player add/remove party members as they wish" so an evolution would be simply "to remove at least some LGBTQ characters, it can't be done in a particularly cruel or murderous way?"
I think we can be pretty sure at this point that she didn't die...
I know. Was speaking from an Origin and Awakening standpoint.
I think we can be pretty sure at this point that she didn't die...
Technically neither does Leliana either. Though within the context of the game, it's still a valid enough critique I think?
cunning and uses their intelligence to further definite goals and/or agendas (Miranda, Morrigan and possibly Vivienne, Celene and Anora). Is it just me or does the latter category tend to feature a lot more women?
Hmmm. I wonder if it's a degree of trope subversion that became at trope of its own. In that maybe there's an inclination to make women the manipulative and perhaps conniving one looking for power/influence, because that's often a male thing? (I don't know if it is often a male thing or not)
Technically neither does Leliana either. Though within the context of the game, it's still a valid enough critique I think?
Well, if I remember right, Morrigan just falls back through the mirror, doesn't she? Isn't it always ambiguous? But Leliana's death can be gruesome and almost undeniable with the game mechanics decapitations. To me, it seems different, but I guess that could be a technicality.
I've never killed Morrigan, though, so I'm not totally sure if I'm right about her death scene. Well, I never killed Leliana either, but I've definitely heard enough about it.
That's a fair concern. It's something that maybe I struggle with, because I can (divorced from the character's sexuality) probably come up with a reasonable reason why a companion could be removed from the Inquisition in a particular playthrough. But that said, I'm also probably infinitely less sensitive/aware of the incidents when they happen because of my privilege, so I can be blind.
Is it reasonable that, in some cases, a companion can be removed (or even killed) for some reason, and that a solution is simply that in some cases, a character that this cannot happen to is an LGBTQ character?
I tend to have a leaning towards "we should let the player add/remove party members as they wish" so an evolution would be simply "to remove at least some LGBTQ characters, it can't be done in a particularly cruel or murderous way?"
Yeah, I think the best solution is simply: more gay/bi LIs that can't be killed or cruelly gotten rid of.
Keep in mind I'm not asking for gay/bi LIs to be impossible to get rid of. I didn't have any problem when companions have that dialogue that lets you ask them to leave.
Edit: If it's a ME situation like you mentioned where everyone dies anyway, I'm not trying to say that they have to leave the gay/bi characters always alive. Though if there's gonna be a survivor in some big tragedy, they could do worse than let that character be gay. 
Oh hey! That's how I'm gonna play Inquisition! 
Yeah, I think the best solution is simply: more gay/bi LIs that can't be killed or cruelly gotten rid of.
Keep in mind I'm not asking for gay/bi LIs to be impossible to get rid of. I didn't have any problem when companions have that dialogue that lets you ask them to leave.
Yes, I understand that it's the context of how the removal occurs itself. Thanks.
And what about gay women/men killing off straight characters ? What about misogynistic men killing off female characters ? The freedom to RP can potentially cost the life of a lot of characters, but it's not specific to the LGBT ones, straight characters can also have heavy casualities.
I'm snipping this one in the bud to keep the conversation on track, but the reality is that straight people do not have a history of being oppressed and murdered by gay/bisexual people as a result of their sexual orientation.
As such, I don't consider the death of straight NPCs by gay characters as being an "unfortunate trope/archetype" within the sociocultural context of Dragon Age's existence in our world.
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Thanks, Allan. Anyway, it's okay if some people disagree with me that the things I bring up are an issue. I know they aren't for everyone. Allan asked for people's input and opinions about potentially negative tropes with regards to LIs, and, being queer myself, it's the treatment of the bisexual LIs that I'm most concerned about. So that's what I brought up.
gay/bi elves... there hasn't been a single straight elf. If Solas is a romance im betting hell be on the bi train as well.
Also bis preferring women... or at least the ones whose actual characters are meant to be bi(Isabela, Zevran and Leliana).
Not really sure any of this counts as bad, just reoccurring..
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