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[Chari]

A new clan would be nice

Let clan Sabrae lick their wounds caused by stupid teenagers. Poor guys deserve some rest

[Xilizhra]

A new clan would be nice

Let clan Sabrae lick their wounds caused by stupid teenagers. Poor guys deserve some rest

I agree with you, provided you switch out "stupid teenagers" with "evil demon-allied Keepers."

[Chari]

I agree with you, provided you switch out "stupid teenagers" with "evil demon-allied Keepers."

No. Stupid teenagers who played with power beyong their understanding

As much as I love my pretty much self-insert Mahariel and goofy Tamlen, they messed up and the whole plan paid for it. Then there was Meriil who was excellent at making bad decisions

[Xilizhra]

No. Stupid teenagers who played with power beyong their understanding

As much as I love my pretty much self-insert Mahariel and goofy Tamlen, they messed up and the whole plan paid for it. Then there was Meriil who was excellent at making bad decisions

In the first case, sort of, but there was no realistic way of knowing what the consequences would be. In the second... it's hard to escape from the fact that no one was actually harmed by anything Merrill did.

[Chari]

In the first case, sort of, but there was no realistic way of knowing what the consequences would be. In the second... it's hard to escape from the fact that no one was actually harmed by anything Merrill did.

Except Marethari who died to save the foolish girl

And the clan which can die due to her foolishness

Really, can you leave me alone before I report harassement? This thread you talk about Merril and not about the clan. In Vivienne thread you argued about Sten and not about Vivienne. If you want to discuss Merril - go to her thread and leave me alone already

[EmperorSahlertz]

Hopefully we get a new Dalish Clan with interresting personalities, varied backgrounds and hopeful futures... Then they all get incinerated by the cataclysm at the Temple of Sacred Ashes.

[Lorien19]

I wonder if we'll see more tattoos in Inquisition. So far, all Dalish share them, but maybe it's a clan or a regional thing. Merrill had unique ones in DAII, although it may be because she was a companion.

Also, I want to know if the blood writing represents gods or goddesses.


I blame DAII. So far, DA games were doing a great job in that regard too. Remember when you could leave Redcliffe village to die in DA:O? Or when you could set Amaranthine on fire in Awakening? But Hawke had to save Kirkwall, no matter what.

If I remember correctly,each vallaslin is supposed to represent a deity from the Elven pantheon.
So I guess that they are the same for every clan.
Merrill didn't exactly have a unique design,it was a more detailed DA2 version of the design she had in origins.
I hope this time,they will tell us which tattoo represents whom.

[Lorien19]

Hopefully we get a new Dalish Clan with interresting personalities, varied backgrounds and hopeful futures... Then they all get incinerated by the cataclysm at the Temple of Sacred Ashes.

We probably won't meet them,to know whether they have interesting personalities and backgrounds,especially if they die at the Temple of Sacred Ashes.
Although as sad as it would be,it would also be rather interesting.

[Mistic]

If I remember correctly,each vallaslin is supposed to represent a deity from the Elven pantheon.
So I guess that they are the same for every clan.
Merrill didn't exactly have a unique design,it was a more detailed DA2 version of the design she had in origins.
I hope this time,they will tell us which tattoo represents whom.

 

There was a person who tried to find an explanation according to the Elven Pantheon. Basically:

 

 

• Andruil: Bow to represent Goddess of the Hunt
• Dirthamen: Book to represent where the Dalish keep their secrets/lore.
• Elgar’nan: Cracked earth and dark/light. Duality theme from legend.
• Falon’din: Same general shape of Falon’din’s statues. Less organic than the other tattoos; Falon’din is the God of the Dead. (Merrill has these in both DA1 and an updated version in DA2.)
• Ghilain’nain:  Mother of the Halla. These are obviously halla horns, and the halla keepers in the camps tend to sport these tattoos. (Velanna has these.)
• June: God of the Craft. Brought woodworking to the Dalish. In return the Dalish emblazoned the most basic tools of the trade across their FACE. Awesome.
• Mythal: Tree. Mythal returned life to the world after Elgarn’nan fought with the sun. Mythal’s flame is kept near the Tree of the People in the center of Alienages. Lingering scrap of Elven culture? Single trees are planted over dead bodies. Life from death.
• Sylaise: Hearthkeeper. Gave fire to the Dalish. Can clearly see a torch in the tattoo. Also vines/rope, other marks of Sylaise, and thread/cloth detail on the complex version.

 

I'm not very convinced about some of them. The bow and Andruil, the fire and Sylaise, the halla horns and Ghilan'nain sound spot-on, but other tattoos are not so clear and are based on vague explanations.

[LobselVith8]

A new clan would be nice

Let clan Sabrae lick their wounds caused by stupid teenagers. Poor guys deserve some rest

 

I don't recall meeting any teenagers among the Sabrae Clan, although I'm certain the lack of encountering any youth is simply an issue of game mechanics (similar to seeing no children during the Right of Annulment, despite the Gallows housing mages of all ages).

 

No. Stupid teenagers who played with power beyong their understanding

As much as I love my pretty much self-insert Mahariel and goofy Tamlen, they messed up and the whole plan paid for it. Then there was Meriil who was excellent at making bad decisions

 

Merrill isn't a teenager, she's an adult. Before Legacy clarified Hawke's age, some players thought Merrill was actually older than the Champion. I also don't see Merrill making a plethora of bad decisions. She tried to built an Eluvian from painstaking research into the lore and extrapolating information from the shard, but it didn't work out; I respect the attempt to help the People, even if the Eluvian remained inert.

 

Except Marethari who died to save the foolish girl

And the clan which can die due to her foolishness

Really, can you leave me alone before I report harassement? This thread you talk about Merril and not about the clan. In Vivienne thread you argued about Sten and not about Vivienne. If you want to discuss Merril - go to her thread and leave me alone already

 

Marethari released Audacity, became an abomination, and is killed after attacking Merrill. The clan can die after trying to murder Merrill, if the Champion doesn't coddle them. I don't see any reason to blame Merrill for the actions of other people. Given the role that Merrill can play in fighting the Templar Order (at the seat of templar power over eastern Thedas, no less) to save the mages by opposing Meredith and her templars, I can other some in the clans viewing Merrill in the same way that some mages viewed the pro-mage Champion - as someone who showed them that the templars could be defied. I'd certainly appreciate playing as an elven protagonist who views Merrill as a "misunderstood scholar".

 

Also, it's also not harassment to disagree with someone in any thread.

[HK-90210]

Marethari released Audacity, became an abomination, and is killed after attacking Merrill. The clan can die after trying to murder Merrill, if the Champion doesn't coddle them. I don't see any reason to blame Merrill for the actions of other people. Given the role that Merrill can play in fighting the Templar Order (at the seat of templar power over eastern Thedas, no less) to save the mages by opposing Meredith and her templars, I can other some in the clans viewing Merrill in the same way that some mages viewed the pro-mage Champion - as someone who showed them that the templars could be defied. I'd certainly appreciate playing as an elven protagonist who views Merrill as a "misunderstood scholar".

 

Marethari released the demon because she knew Merril was going to. Pinning that decision on Merethari is selective reasoning, since Marethari would never have done so if Merril hadn't continued in her attempts to bargain with it. And Merril would have suffered Marethari's fate if the Keeper hadn't sacrificed herself. From the clan's point of view, Merril(and by extension, Hawke) were responsible for the death of their leader, the one who led them out of the Fifth Blight and watched over many of them since they were children. I'd think less of them if they weren't prepared to avenge her death. And leaving Merril on her own to continue her bloodmagic ways is dangerous. Just as dangerous as Orsino letting the necromancer who killed Hawke's mother continue his research. They only let her go if Hawke takes responsibility for her.

 

I think that most of the clans, if they are informed of Merril's actions, would think of her as a foolish young girl, caught up in her own ambition at the exclusion of all else. Part of my problem with the Dalish is that their culture is what makes people like Merril and Velanna. They breed hate and fear of shemlen, and a fanatical reverence for ancient history and the elves of old. They have good reasons for what they do, but every once in a while a person will take it too far, to the point that their own clan can't go along with what they're doing anymore. Kind of like....the shemlen.

[Steelcan]

 

 

Merrill isn't a teenager, she's an adult. Before Legacy clarified Hawke's age, some players thought Merrill was actually older than the Champion. I also don't see Merrill making a plethora of bad decisions. She tried to built an Eluvian from painstaking research into the lore and extrapolating information from the shard, but it didn't work out; I respect the attempt to help the People, even if the Eluvian remained inert.

 

Building portals to Maker knows where is generally a poor idea, doubly so when a demon is helping out

[LobselVith8]

Marethari released the demon because she knew Merril was going to. Pinning that decision on Merethari is selective reasoning, since Marethari would never have done so if Merril hadn't continued in her attempts to bargain with it. And Merril would have suffered Marethari's fate if the Keeper hadn't sacrificed herself.

 

Actually, Marethari says she believes Audacity would have escaped after Merrill successfully restored the Eluvian in Act III (in contradiction to her previous assumption that Merrill would bring back the taint in Acts I and II). Marethari never says Merrill would have intentionally released Audacity, and Merrill tells an aggressive Hawke she won't release the spirit from it's prison.

 

If Marethari changed her mind because Audacity claimed it would escape through the Eluvian (which seems to be the only reason Marethari would so drastically change her mind about why she opposes Merrill's actions), then it seems the Keeper fell for Audacity's machinations.

 

From the clan's point of view, Merril(and by extension, Hawke) were responsible for the death of their leader, the one who led them out of the Fifth Blight and watched over many of them since they were children. I'd think less of them if they weren't prepared to avenge her death. And leaving Merril on her own to continue her bloodmagic ways is dangerous. Just as dangerous as Orsino letting the necromancer who killed Hawke's mother continue his research. They only let her go if Hawke takes responsibility for her.

 

That's not an excuse. I see no reason to justify cold-blooded murder by grown men and women simply because they were angry. They had free will, and they acted of their own volition to murder people because they were unhappy. That was asinine on their part.

 

As for Merrill's blood magic, she doesn't misuse or abuse any of her abilities for several years, so I see her as no different than the Warden mages who use blood magic - using a tool (as Gaider referred to it in his interview with LadyInsanity) for a greater good (which, in Merrill's case, was initially cleansing the shard of the taint to help construct technology that she believed could have irrevocably changed the lives of the People for the better).

 

I think that most of the clans, if they are informed of Merril's actions, would think of her as a foolish young girl, caught up in her own ambition at the exclusion of all else. Part of my problem with the Dalish is that their culture is what makes people like Merril and Velanna.

 

I don't think most rational Dalish would blame Merrill for the actions of other members of the clan. And given the importance of the Eluvians (via Briala), I suspect more than a few would say that Marethari was wrong in the first place.

 

Part of my problem with the Dalish is that their culture is what makes people like Merril and Velanna. They breed hate and fear of shemlen, and a fanatical reverence for ancient history and the elves of old. They have good reasons for what they do, but every once in a while a person will take it too far, to the point that their own clan can't go along with what they're doing anymore. Kind of like....the shemlen.

 

You're conflating the actions of a few with the entirety of the Dalish. We have a clan adopting a human infant who was abandoned by her parents, and who changed the lives of women across Thedas forever with her Dalish upbringing and her training. We have the clans signing a treaty to aid humanity during a Blight after losing their second homeland to humans - yet again. We have a number of people among Zathrian's clan who don't show disrespect towards an outsider (from the adult Elora to the youthful Cammen), and the storyteller who is irate towards the protagonist (Sarel) is this way because he recently lost his wife. We even have Velanna's clan remark positively when they see her in the company of humans, and they are willing to take an outsider's word that Velanna has changed for the better. The Dalish aren't all the same - even the developers remark the clans can vary quite a bit.

 

Having a respect for their history doesn't breed hatred or contempt - I'd say human lord or lynch mobs running them off human lands, Andrastians threatening them to convert, and templars pursuing them is the source of mistrust towards outsiders, since outsiders have been a threat to the People since the Dales was a free and independent kingdom. The difficulties between the Dales and Orlais (an empire that was established through the conquest of the other neighboring city-states) are why Drakon couldn't conquer the Free Marches, after all.

 

We also have Merrill acknowledge that no one in the Sabrae Clan is sure who summoned Audacity during the war between Arlathan and Tevinter, so even the Dalish acknowledge their ancestors could have done reprehensible things.

[Steelcan]

 We have the clans signing a treaty to aid humanity during a Blight after losing their second homeland to humans - yet again. We have a number of people among Zathrian's clan who don't show disrespect towards an outsider (from the adult Elora to the youthful Cammen), and the storyteller who is irate towards the protagonist (Sarel) is this way because he recently lost his wife. We even have Velanna's clan remark positively when they see her in the company of humans, and they are willing to take an outsider's word that Velanna has changed for the better. The Dalish aren't all the same - even the developers remark the clans can vary quite a bit.

 

Having a respect for their history doesn't breed hatred or contempt - I'd say human lord or lynch mobs running them off human lands, Andrastians threatening them to convert, and templars pursuing them is the source of mistrust towards outsiders, since outsiders have been a threat to the People since the Dales was a free and independent kingdom. The difficulties between the Dales and Orlais (an empire that was established through the conquest of the other neighboring city-states) are why Drakon couldn't conquer the Free Marches, after all.

A treaty that they may have been forced to sign after they used a Blight to weaken Orlais, then tried and swoop in after.

 

The Trash have been running around as brigands killing innocents in the name of a long lost cause ever since they lost.

 

This conflict isn't a one sided "humans beating up the poor elves"

[LobselVith8]

Building portals to Maker knows where is generally a poor idea, doubly so when a demon is helping out

 

A spirit helped taught Merrill blood magic, while she built the Eluvian from a shard she incorporated into the construction of her own elven device. Given what happened, Marethari seemed to be the target for Audacity.

 

I'd even go as far to say that it's generally a poor idea to release a spirit and become an abomination in order to protect someone, particularly when you proceed to try to kill the person as a consequence of your possession.

 

A treaty that they may have been forced to sign after they used a Blight to weaken Orlais, then tried and swoop in after.

 

The Dalish escaped Chantry forces to live out their lives as nomadic wanderers who wouldn't submit to human rule, and the clans are basically outlaws for their way of life (since their religion was outlawed by the Chantry). Neither the codex entries or the World of Thedas make any mention or implication of the Dalish surrendering to the Chantry; the elves who submitted to the humans were forced to convert, and ended up living in Alienages.

 

I don't see how anyone coerced them to sign anything when the Dalish motto is that they will not submit. This doesn't even address that the Grey Wardens are politically neutral (until recently, with the Hero of Ferelden and the First Warden in the Anderfels).

 

The Trash have been running around as brigands killing innocents in the name of a long lost cause ever since they lost.

 

Gaider mentioned some clans were little more than bandits in Tevinter - a society of slavery and oppression.

 

However, Gaider also stressed that the clans varied, and mostly tended to avoid conflicts with neighboring humans (which matches the codex entries). There is a peaceful settlement of Dalish living outside the Rivaini city of Llomerryn, where the humans follow the Natural Order. Gaider said about that for the humans of the Natural Order, that "trade with the elves for their crafts is encouraged."

 

When PsychoBlonde compared the Dalish to the Sephardic Jews, Gaider said: "They were still living as part of the societies they migrated to, however. The Dalish do not. At best they'll camp too near some human settlement and eventually the local ruler will drive them out, or they will leave voluntarily before things get too tense, but for the most part the Dalish live entirely seperated from human society."

 

This conflict isn't a one sided "humans beating up the poor elves"

 

It's a situation where the Dalish live a life as a nomad in order to follow their cultural beliefs and freely practice their religion, which was outlawed by the Chantry. For some of us, it doesn't paint the Chantry in the most favorable light. The potentially new clan in Inquisition, as well as the elven Inquisitor, might feel the same way about the Chantry and the Andrastian faith, given what the Elvhen have suffered.

[Steelcan]

A spirit helped taught Merrill blood magic, while she built the Eluvian from a shard she incorporated into the construction of her own elven device. Given what happened, Marethari seemed to be the target for Audacity.

 

I'd even go as far to say that it's generally a poor idea to release a spirit and become an abomination in order to protect someone, particularly when you proceed to try to kill the person as a consequence of your possession.

 

 

The Dalish escaped Chantry forces to live out their lives as nomadic wanderers who wouldn't submit to human rule, and the clans are basically outlaws for their way of life (since their religion was outlawed by the Chantry). Neither the codex entries or the World of Thedas make any mention or implication of the Dalish surrendering to the Chantry; the elves who submitted to the humans were forced to convert, and ended up living in Alienages.

 

I don't see how anyone coerced them to sign anything when the Dalish motto is that they will not submit. This doesn't even address that the Grey Wardens are politically neutral (until recently, with the Hero of Ferelden and the First Warden in the Anderfels).

 

 

Gaider mentioned some clans were little more than bandits in Tevinter - a society of slavery and oppression.

 

However, Gaider also stressed that the clans varied, and mostly tended to avoid conflicts with neighboring humans (which matches the codex entries). There is a peaceful settlement of Dalish living outside the Rivaini city of Llomerryn, where the humans follow the Natural Order. Gaider said about that for the humans of the Natural Order, that "trade with the elves for their crafts is encouraged."

 

When PsychoBlonde compared the Dalish to the Sephardic Jews, Gaider said: "They were still living as part of the societies they migrated to, however. The Dalish do not. At best they'll camp too near some human settlement and eventually the local ruler will drive them out, or they will leave voluntarily before things get too tense, but for the most part the Dalish live entirely seperated from human society."

 

 

It's a situation where the Dalish live a life as a nomad in order to follow their cultural beliefs and freely practice their religion, which was outlawed by the Chantry. For some of us, it doesn't paint the Chantry in the most favorable light. The potentially new clan in Inquisition, as well as the elven Inquisitor, might feel the same way about the Chantry and the Andrastian faith, given what the Elvhen have suffered.

Call it what it is,a Demon that feeds on Pride in an attempt to possess the mages it comes across, neither Marethari or Merrill are immune to pride.  Working with the demon was foolish to beign with, and the end goal was an unknown.

 

That's what demons do, possess people, best way to deal with them is not work with them.

 

The Dalsih lost the war, they refused to live in Alienages but there is no doubt that they were walking out of their homeland with their heads hung low.  The Elvren governemnt had to have surrendered or else the war would not have ended, perhaps for the elves it did not, but the Chantry didn't seem keen on hunting them to the ends of the Earth.

 

Being forced to sign a Treaty promising aid in a Blight is not a submission, its a good idea, and given the Dalish history of helping during Blights it was probably necessary to ensure the Dalsih don't try and back out and leave the rest of Thedas to rot.

 

Their brigand activities are not restricted to Tevinter as we saw with Valenna.

 

I didn't say the CHantry was wholly innocent and free of blame, but the knife-ears are hardly guilt free as well, starting wars with Orlais, refusing help during Blights, killing humans randomly, keeping generations of people ensaned as werewolves, summoning demons, the daalish are hardly paragons of virtue.

[Ryzaki]

I still remain baffled by the refuse to help during blights. They do realize the longer that thing stays the worse it gets and it will eventually come towards them with the reinforcements from those they were glad to watch die?

 

Do they not realize that or something?

[Steelcan]

I still remain baffled by the refuse to help during blights. They do realize the longer that thing stays the worse it gets and it will eventually come towards them with the reinforcements from those they were glad to watch die?

 

Do they not realize that or something?

 

it must be the ears, they suck blood away from the brain or something

[EmperorSahlertz]

Building portals to Maker knows where is generally a poor idea, doubly so when a demon is helping out

Don't you dare besmudge the reputation of Merrill with your reason and logic! Away with thee!

[Ryzaki]

it must be the ears, they suck blood away from the brain or something

 

lol

 

I mean I love Merrill but the mirror thing was ugh. Rivalmance ftw :3

[Reznore57]

I still remain baffled by the refuse to help during blights. They do realize the longer that thing stays the worse it gets and it will eventually come towards them with the reinforcements from those they were glad to watch die?

 

Do they not realize that or something?

 

It seems the Dalish believe the humans are responsible for the Blight , which is true.

The humans also destroyed two of their homelands , and the Blight is destroying the dwarves.

When the blights started the elves were already weakened , I mean as long as the darkspawn are killing humans , I don't know why they should help.

If The Dales has been invaded by Darkspawn , not sure the humans would have run to rescue them.

 

When the Blight started in Ferelden , only the wardens were willing to help.Maybe the Orlesians?

But no troops from the Free Marches , or Antiva or Rivain etc...

As far as I can remember during some Blights some humans countries weren't willing to help until the very last minute , because it was happening far from them.

[A Clever Name]

 

Call it what it is,a Demon that feeds on Pride in an attempt to possess the mages it comes across, neither Marethari or Merrill are immune to pride.  Working with the demon was foolish to beign with, and the end goal was an unknown.

 

That's what demons do, possess people, best way to deal with them is not work with them.

 

The Dalsih lost the war, they refused to live in Alienages but there is no doubt that they were walking out of their homeland with their heads hung low.  The Elvren governemnt had to have surrendered or else the war would not have ended, perhaps for the elves it did not, but the Chantry didn't seem keen on hunting them to the ends of the Earth.

 

Being forced to sign a Treaty promising aid in a Blight is not a submission, its a good idea, and given the Dalish history of helping during Blights it was probably necessary to ensure the Dalsih don't try and back out and leave the rest of Thedas to rot.

 

Their brigand activities are not restricted to Tevinter as we saw with Valenna.

 

I didn't say the CHantry was wholly innocent and free of blame, but the knife-ears are hardly guilt free as well, starting wars with Orlais, refusing help during Blights, killing humans randomly, keeping generations of people ensaned as werewolves, summoning demons, the daalish are hardly paragons of virtue.

The end goal was to repair the Eluvian, so it was known.  I won't argue that it was ill-advised of Merrill to work with a spirit, all things considered, but both she and Marethari were an example of what pride does - the inability to back down and admit that they were wrong.  Marethari was of course foolish to play into the demon's hand in order to "protect" Merrill...so yes, the whole thing blew up in their faces.

 

The Dalish likely signed the Treaty because it's useful to them - Blights should be handled quickly, and if the Dalish want to ensure their safety while traveling, they too have to pitch in.  If they hadn't cared to help in the Blights then they would not have signed the treaty.  Call it what you will, but at its core it is self-preservation - which is a trait intrinsic of the People, considering the threats they need to concern themselves with daily.  And as you've made so perfectly clear, stigma and prejudice against the Dalish indicates that if they were the ones being targeted, they would be unlikely to receive help from outside sources.

 

Velanna was exiled from her clan.  She and a few others chose to leave their clan of their own volition because they disagreed with the Keeper.  Those that left to follow Velanna were of a more vengeful nature.  The Keeper and the other elves in the clan agreed that violence only made conflicts between the clan and human settlements worse.  Don't paint such a broad stroke - take a step back and look at the individuals.  Otherwise you're generalizing a very dynamic culture and come across as painfully prejudiced.  Especially when you use what is known to be a racist slur in the Dragon Age universe to casually refer to a group of people.

 

No one is a "paragon of virtue."  That's how it is in real life, as well.  People are too varied for such idealisms.

[Ryzaki]

It seems the Dalish believe the humans are responsible for the Blight , which is true.

The humans also destroyed two of their homelands , and the Blight is destroying the dwarves.

When the blights started the elves were already weakened , I mean as long as the darkspawn are killing humans , I don't know why they should help.

If The Dales has been invaded by Darkspawn , not sure the humans would have run to rescue them.

 

When the Blight started in Ferelden , only the wardens were willing to help.Maybe the Orlesians?

But no troops from the Free Marches , or Antiva or Rivain etc...

As far as I can remember during some Blights some humans countries weren't willing to help until the very last minute , because it was happening far from them.

 

We have a confirmation on how the blight started now? Or do you mean the Tevinter mages (who hardly count as all humans).

 

Yeah the dwarves got the roughest luck. And yeah humans did that, sending aid to the blight doesn't mean they have to open their gates wide open for humans.

 

Because the darkspawn add those it conquers to it's army leaving you with a bigger problem than you started with. Each country that falls to the blight are more darkspawn, more resources to have to fight back. (Along with more land for the archdemon to safely stay above ground in).

 

Rescue them? No. Stop the blight before it got stronger so they'd have a harder time pushing it out of their lands? Perfectly possible.

 

Alot of people didn't believe it was a blight in Fereldan apparently. Hell even some Fereldan's didn't believe it was a blight til nearly too late.

 

It was stupid on their part too.

[LobselVith8]

Call it what it is,a Demon that feeds on Pride in an attempt to possess the mages it comes across, neither Marethari or Merrill are immune to pride.  Working with the demon was foolish to beign with, and the end goal was an unknown.

 

I'll call it what the People would call it: a spirit. If you adhere to the view of the People that all spirits are dangerous, then it's a spirit.

 

That's what demons do, possess people, best way to deal with them is not work with them.

 

The best thing to do is not to release a spirit from it's prison. It's why some of us don't blame Merrill for what Marethari did.

 

The Dalsih lost the war, they refused to live in Alienages but there is no doubt that they were walking out of their homeland with their heads hung low.  The Elvren governemnt had to have surrendered or else the war would not have ended, perhaps for the elves it did not, but the Chantry didn't seem keen on hunting them to the ends of the Earth.

 

The Dalish left because they didn't submit, and they wouldn't acquiesce to the Chantry; the ones who did are currently living under human rule, including in Halamshiral. During the war, we know that some elves died rather than submit, like General Rajmael.

 

Being forced to sign a Treaty promising aid in a Blight is not a submission, its a good idea, and given the Dalish history of helping during Blights it was probably necessary to ensure the Dalsih don't try and back out and leave the rest of Thedas to rot.

 

The Dalish follow an outlawed religion, they have free mages among them, but you think the humans demanded only one concession: to aid in the Blight, despite there being absolutely no evidence to support this? Not only does that contradict how the Grey Wardens are politically neutral during a conflict, that doesn't even mesh with how we've seen the Dalish treat Grey Wardens. The Dalish treatment of the Wardens show that they respect them, and there was no implication that any clan wouldn't send aid to fight the Blight.

 

And we know that Iloren fought during the Second Blight, in the Anderfels; we also know that the Dalish wouldn't aid an enemy that threatened them since the reign of Drakon.

 

Their brigand activities are not restricted to Tevinter as we saw with Valenna.

 

Who was exiled from her clan because she wanted vengeance against the humans who tried to burn the clan down with the forest.

 

I didn't say the CHantry was wholly innocent and free of blame, but the knife-ears are hardly guilt free as well, starting wars with Orlais, refusing help during Blights, killing humans randomly, keeping generations of people ensaned as werewolves, summoning demons, the daalish are hardly paragons of virtue.

 

The Chantry claims the Dalish started the war, while the Dalish claim the Chantry started it. Even WoT never clarifies who actually started the war. And I see no reason to condemn an entire society for the actions of a single man against the humans who murdered his son and raped his daughter, or because Merrill spoke to a spirit who was trapped for over a millennia, since the war between Arlathan and Tevinter.

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We have a confirmation on how the blight started now? Or do you mean the Tevinter mages (who hardly count as all humans).

 

It was stupid on their part too.

 

I was talking about Tevinter.

 

And yeah it's stupid not to help during the Blights , but the Dalish are not the only one refusing to fight , it seems everyone wait until someone else deal with the problem .Well not the wardens.