Tevinter> Witches of the wild>Rivaini seers=Dalish keepers=Mortalisati>Circle mages> Saarebas
That's how I see it
When I made this, I failed to realize that circle mages vary so much in power. Vivienne and Fiona are probably stronger than seers, mortalisati and keepers. But the average circle mage isn't that great. Most aren't even battle trained and have very benign magic.
1)Old Gods and few Ancient deamons
2)Dalish
3)Dragon Worshippers(only like Flemeth and Javana, others would be no more than Magister->Seers)
4)Magisters
5)Mortalitasi
6)Rivain Seers
7)Grey Wardens(but some of their high rank mages must have knoledges of the level of Mortalitasi and even Magisters)
8)Barbarian mages
9)Orlais Chantry Circle mages(only enchanters)
11)Thedas mages without any Circle training-self trained(depends on the mage, because they can self-train more and be much powerfull)
12)Sareabas
if we would talk about magic powers-knoledges
i do not use "blood mages" because any mages even from Chantry Cirle must have at least knoledges about blood magic so they are all blood mages especially Grey Wardens
and i do not use "apostages" because apostages is all mages who is not from Orlais Chantry Cirlce
It wasn't a confirmation of anything. He was saying that each group has different skill sets.
And here:
For those who can't find it, it's basically mentioned that Tevinters fight too much to be that far ahead in all aspects of magical education/knowledge/etc due to the competitive nature of their culture. Circle mages may be more restricted, but they share more and actually work towards the advancement of magical knowledge. Hedge Mages are mages that don't receive formal training and have their magic manifest in a different way, i.e. they don't really cast spells but have their abilities overflow and manifest wildly. Once they learn how to direct this power however a Hedge Mage can't stop and learn how to do it a different way.
Saarebas are an example of Hedge Mages that are basically just weapons that the Qunari direct at a problem.
Dalish and the Rivaini Shaman/Seers have their own traditions that benefit and restrict them in their own ways.
Long answer short, none of the groups are that ahead of the others at least overall. In some places they may be, but others are ahead in their own ways.
Mind this may have just been off the cuff, but I think it's a cool answer none the less.
Also cool little tidbit that came out of this (that I personally didn't know). A mage in Tevinter regardless of their training is not necessarily a Magister even if their human since the term Magister refers more to a political title than the general Tevinter mage. A "Magister" is a Senator for all intents and purposes, likely (though this is my personal opinion) someone who's done a lot of backstabbing, blood magic and political maneuvering in order to get there.
Tevinter - 1st if we are talking military power and darker magic (I.E. more unique magic)
Circle Mages - 2nd in military power and conventional magic (I.E. not much variation outside the normal spells)
Sarebass - 3rd in military might (alone, 1st if accompanied by a group of qunari warriors), non-conventional magic, but limited magic
Dalish - Not enough mages to have military might, unique magics
Witches of the Wilds - no military might, as they do not participate directly... old, powerful, unique magics
Mortalatasi - Very little military might, unless with an army of corpses, unique necromantic spells.
Rivanni Seers - no military might, unique spells usually not suited for combat
Darkspawn Mages - tied for 1st in military might, taint induced magics, can spread taint...
its hard to decide who is more powerful if we dont give them a set category to compete in, as all groups will have their strong points in their respective fields
Tevinter - 1st if we are talking military power and darker magic (I.E. more unique magic)
Circle Mages - 2nd in military power and conventional magic (I.E. not much variation outside the normal spells)
Sarebass - 3rd in military might (alone, 1st if accompanied by a group of qunari warriors), non-conventional magic, but limited magic
Dalish - Not enough mages to have military might, unique magics
Witches of the Wilds - no military might, as they do not participate directly... old, powerful, unique magics
Mortalatasi - Very little military might, unless with an army of corpses, unique necromantic spells.
Rivanni Seers - no military might, unique spells usually not suited for combat
Darkspawn Mages - tied for 1st in military might, taint induced magics, can spread taint...
its hard to decide who is more powerful if we dont give them a set category to compete in, as all groups will have their strong points in their respective fields
Thing is, we cannot base power completely off military might. And most circle mages aren't battle trained at all, their military might is only as much as the chantry will allow.
Is there an actual reason that people continuesly rate hedge mages higher in the powerscale than actually trained and learned mages? No? Just basic "underdog sympathy"? Okay then....
Technically speaking aren't both Morrigan and Flemeth hedge-mages?
And they have access to knowledge the circle isn't even aware of?
Not to say that all hedge-mages are on there level, but shape changing isn't considered all that amazing by them. Basically they don't have access to libraries but they aren't as limited by fear, morality or social standards as for what they can do or be limited in their conditioned imaginations.
Tevinter Mages, extremely competetive and unwilling to allow anything that might challenge their power even if it could protect themselves as well ala Litany of Adralla working against blood magic and getting the creator of it pretty close to killed and having to flee her country.
The circle shares knowledge but is restrictive about what it allows out of a sense of morality, constrained points of view and danger.
Qunari Mages are fantastically restricted in what they are allowed to learn and are basically pure force. Powerful but mostly limited. Much like the circle they limit themselves via a sense of morality and danger just to a greater degree.
Tevinter has the most powerful mages hands down especially after the last couple novels to be released there's not even really a conversation anymore. There was mage that was going to use blood magic to mind control the entire world into thinking they served Tevinter!
If the debate is as a whole group I'd still say Tevinter but it would be a slightly closer match but still them. Decades of war with the Qunari would have turned their mages into battle tested death bringers by now.
dark spawn mages get their magic from the taint, not the fade. They have nothing to fear from demons.
blood mages or else they wouldn't be banned and feared so.
Tevinter mages had centuries to perfect their talent and weren't held back in any sort of way.In the Imperium power is everything do I imagine they would be the strongest mage group.
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