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Its European fantasy world of no particular relation to Europe's real history timeline

There are some relations to Europe's real history. The whole mythology of the witcher is mainly slavic. The symbols of the different kingdoms and accents are similar to different european countries.

 

 

Book and Witcher 3 spoilers:

 

 

In the last book, Ciri (the main character of the witcher novel saga) travels between different worlds and times to find and save Yennefer and Geralt. During this travels she visits france, great britain,germany and some other european countries in different times and during different historic(outburst of the plague in middleage for example) and fictional (King Arthus saga for example) events, while trying to find  "her world".

 

It's pretty obvious the whole witcher mythology is heavily inspired by slavic and anglo-saxon mythylogy and history.



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double post
 



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Of course there are huge relations to Europe's real history. The whole mythology of the witcher is mainly slavic. The symbols of the different kingdoms and accents are similar to different european countries.

 

 

Book and Witcher 3 spoliers:

 

 

In the last book, Ciri (the main character of the witcher novel saga) travels between different worlds and times to find and save Yennefer and Geralt. During this travels she visits france, great britain,germany and some other european countries in different times and during different historic(outburst of the plague in middleage for example) and fictional (King Arthus saga for example) events, while trying to find  "her world".

 

It's pretty obvious the whole witcher mythology is heavily inspired by slavic and anglo-saxon mythylogy.

The key word there is "inspired"


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!

 

You devil you. I'm intrigued. Perhaps it's something Suicide Mission-esque where if you wait too long before sending her and rescuing her she's in...a worse state.

...I'm now imagining a tortured Leliana with some sort of freaky Lyrium scars from magical torture devices  :blink: red lyrium.  Curiouser and Curiouser...  :ph34r:



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Where can I find these demo videos? Seems like the links are gone from the forum and I couldn't find them on YouTube.



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The key word there is "inspired"

Still no reason not to include at least gypsies



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Your option re: fetch quests is not between that and a quest with context, cinematics, etc.
 
It is, literally, an additional way to get quests and to interact with NPCs. It is not 'these types of quests or top quality quests!', but rather 'these types of quests or no quests'.
 
RE: Leliana's appearance. That isn't final on that segment, for reasons which include spoilery things.

Thanks for the reply :). And colour me intrigued about the last part.

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Still no reason not to include at least gypsies

No particular reason to do so either.


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Where can I find these demo videos? Seems like the links are gone from the forum and I couldn't find them on YouTube.

 


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No particular reason to do so either.


Well racial diversity and their actual existence in 13th century europe.

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My only real criticism I saw in the video was the whole moving of the waypoint reticle around with the camera.    I HOPE that this was just because they were using the console interface and that the PC interface will have a real point-and-click interface.  

 

I can tell you from the whole Xcom: The Bureau (horrible horrible ported game) that the whole having to move the reticle around with the camera and around objects was game killing.



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Well racial diversity and their actual existence in 13th century europe.

 

Except that the universe is allready established through the witcher books and they weren't there either.


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My only real criticism I saw in the video was the whole moving of the waypoint reticle around with the camera.    I HOPE that this was just because they were using the console interface and that the PC interface will have a real point-and-click interface.  

 

I can tell you from the whole Xcom: The Bureau (horrible horrible ported game) that the whole having to move the reticle around with the camera and around objects was game killing.

 

I think they were done with the PC version of the game, but using the controller option.



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i realy can't understand why people are so narrow minded on this forum...why are the only options for Leliana to be fully armored in the torture scene or as many quickly jumped to "naked" as a way to defend the devs for being respectfull or whatever reason, when there is such a convenient solution.

 

I'm sure fanboys are going to have my neck for this but here goes

 

The devs were to "lazy" to build a model of leliana in casual clothes, because she is an advisor and you have no options of customising her, changing her armour etc, the kind we see in the gameplay video when they show the inventory for the qunary inquisitor(maybe someone could be kind to post an image since i don't know how to use them), casual clothes that the caracters wear under their armour.

 

Now you have a decent torture scene....any sane torturer would remove a prisoners armour, add a couple of bruises and you are done

 

the magic torturing is nothing but an excuse as i see it ....if that was true there would be no point for the torture tools (like what they are there just for decor)


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This is random, but one thing that really bothered me was when Leliana slit the throat of Felix... Here's why:

 

I read somewhere that Alexius used necromancy to re-animate his son, who is clearly some sort of zombie (based on Dorian's shocked reaction to seeing him). Why would a re-animated corpse die from having its throat slit? And couldn't Alexius just re-re-animate him? If Tevinter magisters can use blood magic/necromancy, why would he throw a hissy fit and attack the Inquisitor? :\



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i realy can't understand why people are so narrow minded on this forum...why are the only options for Leliana to be fully armored in the torture scene or as many quickly jumped to "naked" as a way to defend the devs for being respectfull or whatever reason, when there is such a convenient solution.

 

I'm sure fanboys are going to have my neck for this but here goes

 

The devs were to "lazy" to build a model of leliana in casual clothes, because she is an advisor and you have no options of customising her, changing her armour etc, the kind we see in the gameplay video when they show the inventory for the qunary inquisitor(maybe someone could be kind to post an image since i don't know how to use them), casual clothes that the caracters wear under their armour.

 

Now you have a decent torture scene....any sane torturer would remove a prisoners armour, add a couple of bruises and you are done

 

the magic torturing is nothing but an excuse as i see it ....if that was true there would be no point for the torture tools (like what they are there just for decor)

Epler has said that the model used in that scene wasn't final because the actual model that will appear is spoilerific.  Make of that what you will.



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This is random, but one thing that really bothered me was when Leliana slit the throat of Felix... Here's why:

 

I read somewhere that Alexius used necromancy to re-animate his son, who is clearly some sort of zombie (based on Dorian's shocked reaction to seeing him). Why would a re-animated corpse die from having its throat slit? And couldn't Alexius just re-re-animate him? If Tevinter magisters can use blood magic/necromancy, why would he throw a hissy fit and attack the Inquisitor? :\

We don't know he's a zombie, just that something is wrong with him.



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Epler has said that the model used in that scene wasn't final because the actual model that will appear is spoilerific.  Make of that what you will.

 

then we shall wait and see



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Again, that's kind of undermined by her 'Nothing happened that you would want to hear' line.

Hmmm, than maybe she had already been tortured by a mage. But when the mage saw she didn't break, he asked a Venatori guard to try his hand at it. 

 

I don't know really, I don't really care that much about her physical signs of torture. It's probably a hassle to create a version of Leliana without (most of her) clothes and with scars and stuff. Especially for a scene that you may not even see depending on your choices. But apparently it's important to some people.

 

So it's good that the OP pointed this out imo. Perhaps the devs will take this criticism into account for DA4. Or perhaps they already 'fixed' it since the demo was already 3 months out of date when it was shown at e3. We'll see.



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This is random, but one thing that really bothered me was when Leliana slit the throat of Felix... Here's why:
 
I read somewhere that Alexius used necromancy to re-animate his son, who is clearly some sort of zombie (based on Dorian's shocked reaction to seeing him). Why would a re-animated corpse die from having its throat slit? And couldn't Alexius just re-re-animate him? If Tevinter magisters can use blood magic/necromancy, why would he throw a hissy fit and attack the Inquisitor? :\


I don't think we know enough about Fenix, his condition, or necromancy in Thedas to decide whether or not slitting his neck would kill him.

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Epler has said that the model used in that scene wasn't final because the actual model that will appear is spoilerific.  Make of that what you will.


As in the Leliana in armor model wasn't final? Interesting.

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to add fuel to the fire, concerning the wildlife AI, TW3 devs have shown that their AI takes into acount the enemiess chance of victory, group mentality and if Geralt is close to killing you, you get the hell out of there, so the op sugestion for the bear to run away is valid


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As in the Leliana in armor model wasn't final? Interesting.

Just "the model" used in that scene, he wasn't any more specific than that.



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This is random, but one thing that really bothered me was when Leliana slit the throat of Felix... Here's why:

 

I read somewhere that Alexius used necromancy to re-animate his son, who is clearly some sort of zombie (based on Dorian's shocked reaction to seeing him). Why would a re-animated corpse die from having its throat slit? And couldn't Alexius just re-re-animate him? If Tevinter magisters can use blood magic/necromancy, why would he throw a hissy fit and attack the Inquisitor? :\

 

I don't think he was an actual Zombie. He most likely did something to his son when his son was about to die that kept him from dying.

I have a theory:

Zombies in Thedas are basically corpses possesed by demons. But with Justice we saw that any spirit can control a corpse. 

So Necromancy is basically bringing a spirit, in most cases demons, from the fade into a corpse.

Now it is said that the souls of the dead travel through the fade to the makers side and get lost and have to wander the fade forever, if they stray from the maker in their mortal life.

Now what i am thinking is that Alexius used Necromancy to get his son's soul, while it was traveling through the fade towards the maker and bind it to his own corpse. It would still be the sons soul in his sons body, but that body would be a corpse and not a living body. It would explain why Alexius sees his son in that thing and why his "son" appeared to be rotting in the demo.

As to why he not just re - reanimates his son. As we see when we fought undead in DA:O the possession of a demon on a corpse can still be severed when the corpse takes physical damage. Why he not re - reanimates him immediatly i don't know, but my guess would be that it takes time to prepare to really force a spirit or soul into a corpse. The reason why necromancy as an ability in the game would be faster would be that they are bringing demons into the corpses, which are willing to possess the corpse and don't have to forced, just enabled. He probably had enough time to prepare when his son innitialy died, but not now when it happened out of the blue he had not. 



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We lack so much context on the Felix situation it seems the least worthy thing for discussion.


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