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[Sir George Parr]

You can't play a commoner because the Inquisitor has to do things like, you know, read.

Also know how to correctly open a bottle of champagne. Which the Commoner wouldn't, on account of being poor and everything. 

[adorkable-panda]

The Inquisitor needs to be a person of respect, so it would make sense that a human noble would easily earn the respect becuase he's a noble. Either way, as much as i'd like to explore the lives of a human commoner, I'm sure it's soley based on Plot sensibility, we don't know how/why the noble human quizzy is there but once we do, it'll probably make sense why a "commoner" would not be there. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

This pretty much guarantees that I'll never play a human non-mage in this game.

Human Noble was also the very last origin I tried in DAO (having already played at least one Warden from every other origin, including 2 city elves anf three mages).

I find starting as a commoner much more interesting. My subsequent success then feels mote self-made. I like roleplaying the joy of having succeeded against all odds.

[Maria Caliban]

I don't think elves are the bottom of the barrel in Dalish society, which is where our elven PCs are from.

IIRC, the dwarven PC is from the merchant clans, which are somewhat like guilds. You're not a commoner. It's probably the closest thing Thedas has to a middle class.

I wouldn't be surprised if the qunari PCs were remarkable or unique in some way.

[In Exile]

We have do have that option - as dwarves, elves and mages.

 

You wanna talk about rising from minor importance to power? Try playing an elf. They're in the bottom of the barrel no matter which society they're in.

 

I think that's more nuanced. The Dalish - while obviously excluded by the humans - have a functional society to themselves. The CEs do not. 

[drake heath]

I like playing a noble, there are hardly any RPGs where the protagonist isn't rags to riches.

 

It's just boring, like if I had to start out as some farm kid, I'd care so much less about my protagonist because that's one of the most cliched beginnings for a fantasy protagonist behind, like, a soldier.

[Sanunes]

I rather have less backgrounds if the background I pick has more to do with the game then the first 20 to 30min like in Origins and there are enough "common" backgrounds with the Elven and Dwarven background already it would feel redundant.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Common fantasy trope is the stable boy being the hidden king. So just turn it around. You're the stable boy at the peace meeting and when you walked out of the fade people started calling you "lord". Rather than disabuse them of the notion you just ran with it. Tada Commoner Origin!

That is an excellent suggestion, and one I heartily endorse.

[riverbanks]

Seriously though, Hawke is a lowly peasant turned war refugee who flees his country through what is basically human trafficking, with not a coin to their name and literally nothing but the clothes on their back, then spends a year working in indebted servitude to organized crime factions, and after all that, ends up at best living in the slums in an overcrowded dirty hovel that smells like dog pee. Having some noble blood from two generations ago helps them through absolutely none of this, if Hawke makes it big at all it's because they break their back (and lose just about everything) trying to crawl out of the mud.

 

You don't get any more rags to riches than this.

[The Elder King]

That is an excellent suggestion, and one I heartily endorse.

What will you do if you meet members of the Trevalyan family who recognize you? Or if the prologue recognize your role as a member of the Trevalyan family?

[Schreckstoff]

Seriously though, Hawke is a lowly peasant turned war refugee who flees his country through what is basically human trafficking, with not a coin to their name and literally nothing but the clothes on their back, then spends a year working in indebted servitude to organized crime factions, and after all that, ends up at best living in the slums in an overcrowded dirty hovel that smells like dog pee. Having some noble blood from two generations ago helps them through absolutely none of this, if Hawke makes it big at all it's because they break their back (and lose just about everything) trying to crawl out of the mud.

 

You don't get any more rags to riches than this.

That's why I'm happy my Hawke left that shithole aboard Isabela's ship.

[St. Victorious]

You're not entitled to it. Period.

[ElementalFury106]

Who cares honestly, it's like the Inquisitor says;

 

"Whatever we were before, we are now, the Inquisition"

 

Commoner or Noble, both become irrelevant very early on.

[Majestic Jazz]

I like to commoner background. This is what I liked about the Dalish Elf origins, you weren't some all high and mighty person that people just respected on default. You were a nobody, and outcast, and a second class citizen and yet you still managed to unit the lands and become the hero.

 

Playing as a human

Playing as a noble

 

Is as generic as you can get. 

[The Elder King]

I like to commoner background. This is what I liked about the Dalish Elf origins, you weren't some all high and mighty person that people just respected on default. You were a nobody, and outcast, and a second class citizen and yet you still managed to unit the lands and become the hero.
 
Playing as a human
Playing as a noble
 
Is as generic as you can get.

I don't really care about the debate, but a Commoner that rises to be an hero is a very common type of story as well.

[In Exile]

I like to commoner background. This is what I liked about the Dalish Elf origins, you weren't some all high and mighty person that people just respected on default. You were a nobody, and outcast, and a second class citizen and yet you still managed to unit the lands and become the hero.

 

Playing as a human

Playing as a noble

 

Is as generic as you can get. 

 

The Dalish wasn't a nobody. You were the child of a Keeper, a highly valued and respect member of your clan, etc. You were totally a high and mighty person that everyone respect by default. Humans didn't because you were in a human world, but you grew up respected. 

[ElementalFury106]

I like to commoner background. This is what I liked about the Dalish Elf origins, you weren't some all high and mighty person that people just respected on default. You were a nobody, and outcast, and a second class citizen and yet you still managed to unit the lands and become the hero.

 

Playing as a human

Playing as a noble

 

Is as generic as you can get. 

 

You mean City Elf origin?

[SerCambria358]

Because it a commoner wouldnt have the training nor authority to lead an organization such as the Inquisition 

[Majestic Jazz]

You mean City Elf origin?

No, I meant Dalish Elf. Yes, among the Dalish you are respected, but because you living in a white man's world human world, you go by their standards and their perception is that you are a second class citizen. 

[The Elder King]

Because it a commoner wouldnt have the training nor authority to lead an organization such as the Inquisition

You can be a surface dwarf, a Vashot or a dalish. They likely don't have any authority by default to lead the Inquisition. Not of mention we don't know how much big and powerful the Trevelyan are.

[DaySeeker]

Maybe this is a better argument for after we play.  Perhaps it is answered.  Overall it seems kind of like a petty complaint though.  It's not what you were, but what you are.  On top of this where does a commoner get the training they'd need to be an effective leader, or the credibility to do so in a world filled with social classes?  

[SerCambria358]

You can be a surface dwarf, a Vashot or a dalish. They likely don't have any authority by default to lead the Inquisition. Not of mention we don't know how much big and powerful the Trevelyan are.

These backgrounds can easily be tailored to having experience in combat and a leadership role, because we've seen it before plenty of times. Commoner is not an area that we've seen these traits in often, its just easier and better suited for a noble to fill this role.

[The Elder King]

Maybe this is a better argument for after we play.  Perhaps it is answered.  Overall it seems kind of like a petty complaint though.  It's not what you were, but what you are.  On top of this where does a commoner get the training they'd need to be an effective leader, or the credibility to do so in a world filled with social classes?

Again, what credibility a dalish or Vashoth has in an Andrastian country?

[The Elder King]

These backgrounds can easily be tailored to having experience in combat and a leadership role, because we've seen it before plenty of times. Commoner is not an area that we've seen these traits in often, its just easier and better suited for a noble to fill this role.

Training, yes. Leadership, in a relevant way for an Andrastian based organization and in Andrastian countries? Not necessarily.