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[SerCambria358]

My point is that if the position of authority of the human Noble isn't relevant to become leader, it woudn't matter if the human was Noble of Commoner.

Thats not what i said, its being experienced that is relevant which nobles are. A commoner has no experience leading whatsoever, maybe training in combat, but nothing about being a commoner would grant them experience in that field. The other races have many directions in which they would be granted these credentials and it is much more common, commoner on the other hand is less believable than a Noble which is why i said, it makes more sense.

[SerCambria358]

I think it's that a human noble has a perspective that no other race can have or have anything like. We are going to be dealing with allot of humans and probably allot of nobility a human noble adds a different perspective, different treatment and different options. Like it did in origins. 

 

There isn't much a human commoner background adds that a dwarf one would not so when they picked races it makes sense that the noble background was the one they kept. 

Exactly

[In Exile]

Nope, they're not, in Dalish society, but once you set foot in a city, town, little out of the way burg with more than 4 people, you're the bottom of the barrel. Remember, in Origins, the Dalish and CE got the same reception from the Quartermaster when you first talked to him. An Elf is an Elf to the rest of Thedas.

 

There is a big difference between never being respected and growing up with that knowledge, and moving somewhere you are not respected. 

[robertthebard]

There is a big difference between never being respected and growing up with that knowledge, and moving somewhere you are not respected.

So are you just going to hang out with the Dalish the whole game? Because if you're not, you're going to run into these prejudices, and it doesn't have to be moving in, just going there for part of the story. Both Elven Origins were "knife ears" on first glance, it's not going to be much different here, unless you've got Iron Bull glaring at everyone from the moment you enter town.

[In Exile]

So are you just going to hang out with the Dalish the whole game? Because if you're not, you're going to run into these prejudices, and it doesn't have to be moving in, just going there for part of the story. Both Elven Origins were "knife ears" on first glance, it's not going to be much different here, unless you've got Iron Bull glaring at everyone from the moment you enter town.

 

No. But how you deal with prejudice is very different if you grow up being told you're nothing, being denied opportunity, seeing everyone who lots like you beaten and excluded, versus if you grow up being told you are literally the chosen people who will - in the future - bring salvation to your kind and whose role it is to stand up in defiance to the usurpers who took your land from you twice. 

 

To be a Dalish Elf is not the same thing at all as being a City Elf, even if humans don't treat you different. 

[metatheurgist]

Also know how to correctly open a bottle of champagne. Which the Commoner wouldn't, on account of being poor and everything.

 

You open your own bottles! Man, I have servants for that! <Disinvites "Sir" George from hoity-toity circle>

[ElementalFury106]

Being able to close veil tears doesnt make that person a leader,

 

if that were the case, Frodo should have been the leader of the fellowship instead of the much better qualified Gandalf, solely because he was the best option to carry the ring.

 

So im specualting that there is more to the selection process than just "he/she can close the rifts, lets give them an army"

 

Obviously there's way more to it than that. But I read in an interview once regarding how the world reacts to your race/background that

 

"Ultimately, you're the only one who can close the tears and save Thedas, so people will put aside their feelings and support you."

 

You won't gain an army just because you can close the tears, but it is the biggest factor in deciding who leads the Inquisition.

 

Don't know LOTR story/lore so I can't make the connection to what you said.

[Nefla]

A human mage inquisitor is nobility.

Whaaaaa? So he's an apostate or something? (or like warden Amell where she was from a noble family but went to the circle?)

[ElementalFury106]

Whaaaaa? So he's an apostate or something? (or like warden Amell where she was from a noble family but went to the circle?)

 

The statement you quoted is incorrect.

 

The Human Mage was ONCE nobility, but gave up their nobility when being sent away to The Circle. Gaider said the Human Mage Inquisitor is/was part of The Circle.

 

Likely not an Apostate when the breach occurs.

[Nefla]

The statement you quoted is incorrect.

 

The Human Mage was ONCE nobility, but gave up their nobility when being sent away to The Circle. Gaider said the Human Mage Inquisitor is/was part of The Circle.

 

Likely not an Apostate when the breach occurs.

Oh ok, that's what I though

[Han Shot First]

Hawke was a commoner actually, though he or she rises to nobility by Act 3 when appointed Champion of Kirkwall. Hawke might have a noble lineage from the Amell side of the family, but Malcom Hawke was a commoner and Leandra essentially abandoned any rank or title she might have otherwise had when she eloped with him. The only person among Hawke's family members who is a noble before Act 3 is ironically Gamlen...although he is an impoverished and disgraced one.

[Han Shot First]

A human mage inquisitor is nobility.

 

Technically he or she isn't. Nobles who get sent to mage towers also lose all previous claim to rank, title, and land. "Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him." Mage Trevelayn (at least before being made Inquisitor) is basically in the same boat as Varric or pre-Champion Hawke. Noble lineage, common background.

 

The only place in Thedas where one can be a mage and a noble is Tevinter.

[fabio012]

Well being a noble makes sense because a noble will be educated and have martial training to where a commoner has little to no formal education and really only skilled at their job. But I would like to hear how you guys think a commoner would get such skills in fighting and the education to lead an inquisition. And if your answer is that their parents taught them, well you then must answer how the parents were educated and so on.

[Enigmatick]

Well being a noble makes sense because a noble will be educated

Never much discussion of non mage education and literacy in dragon age now that I think about it.

[Devtek]

Technically he or she isn't. Nobles who get sent to mage towers also lose all previous claim to rank, title, and land. "Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him." Mage Trevelayn (at least before being made Inquisitor) is basically in the same boat as Varric or pre-Champion Hawke. Noble lineage, common background.

 

The only place in Thedas where one can be a mage and a noble is Tevinter.

 

Nevarra and Rivain are also fairly liberal in their treatment of certain mages, with nothing to say they can't be nobles. (Death mages and Seers respectively.)

[tipper111]

I think it's kinda refreshing . a lot of rpg's, books, movies etc.... the hero is usually a nobody who just happens to have some amazing destiny awaiting them

[fabio012]

Never much discussion of non mage education and literacy in dragon age now that I think about it.

In the human noble origin their is that guy called Aldous who is a tutor who claims to have tutored the human noble and is seen teaching to young boys history.

[Mirrman70]

In the human noble origin their is that guy called Aldous who is a tutor who claims to have tutored the human noble and is seen teaching to young boys history.

 

those young boys live in the castle though so one can assume that they are at least born to a family of knights.

[fabio012]

those young boys live in the castle though so one can assume that they are at least born to a family of knights.

Yeah the guy I responded to asked about non mage education. And that's why being some sort of noble makes the most sense to be a hero in Thedas, because they get educated and I'm assuming commoners do not.

[Mirrman70]

Yeah the guy I responded to asked about non mage education. And that's why being some sort of noble makes the most sense to be a hero in Thedas, because they get educated and I'm assuming commoners do not.

 

 

I found a link.

 

http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Education

[leaguer of one]

Hawke was a noble by matrilinear descent.

Then why was he living in a rat infested hut?

[Mirrman70]

Then why was he living in a rat infested hut?

 

His father, sister and potentially him were apostates. It probably seemed better to be a poor farmer family than rich merchant family.

[Sylvius the Mad]

What will you do if you meet members of the Trevalyan family who recognize you? Or if the prologue recognize your role as a member of the Trevalyan family?

Interpret them within the available context (which includes the knowledge that I am a commoner).

Maybe they're crazy. Maybe they're demons trying to trick me. Maybe I'm crazy.

It works just like how you interpret in game events.

[Sylvius the Mad]

The statement you quoted is incorrect.

The Human Mage was ONCE nobility, but gave up their nobility when being sent away to The Circle. Gaider said the Human Mage Inquisitor is/was part of The Circle.

Likely not an Apostate when the breach occurs.

It might be fairer to say that his noble title was talen from him, rather tthan he gave it up.

He might not be happy about it. He could still hold a grudge.

I expect mine will.