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[ThatHippoGuy]

 

Hi there! I'm a long-time BioWare fan. KotOR was the first RPG I ever played, and even today I still go back and play from time to time. I've been enjoying Dragon Age since release, and I was looking forward to trying Inquisition when it came out, but what appears to be some pretty disturbing comments by one of your employees has me concerned both in regards to the game, and as a matter of general principle. I stumbled across this image the other day and, since you've always seemed to me a company that thrives on healthy communication with its fanbase, I thought I'd come straight here to ask about it.

 

The obvious question: is this a real thing that Mr. Gaider said? I'm shocked and a little baffled by this comment, so my immediate reaction was to assume this couldn't be real. These comments seem ignorant of the fact that whether aimed toward a fantastical species or not, many living human beings in the real world, my little sister included, are born and live with dwarfism. To state that she can only pursue other little people in a relationship, or else be viewed as disgusting by someone, and to further imply that anyone who is attracted to her is a pedophile alarms and angers me, to say the least.

 

I'm not unreasonable, and I'm hoping there's a context here that I am sorely lacking, or else that at some point in the past Mr. Gaider has offered some kind of explanation or apology for these comments. Until now, I guess I had simply assumed that Mr. Gaider, being gay himself, would understand what it's like to live in a society where you're called a freak and a deviant for wanting to be loved. I hope I wasn't mistaken in assuming such.

[Burricho]

I think he was talking about the dwarves. In the game.

[hexaligned]

The context is that he's specifically referring to a species of fictional creatures.  

[Feybrad]

He was talking about In-Game Dwarves. He also changed his Opinion after watching the first Hobbit Movie.

[Aolbain]

1. 4 year old post. How did you even find it?

2. He is obviously talking about the dragon age, fantasy-style dwarf, not the real-life kind.

[David Gaider]

I think he was talking about the dwarves. In the game.

 

That is so. Fantasy dwarves are not real-life dwarfs.

 

Also? I was joking, as I believe I even mentioned in that thread. Those comments were after people took something I'd said earlier out of context to mean "David Gaider thinks dwarf sex is gross" ...when what I'd said was that we'd reviewed the sex scenes in DAO with a "worst case scenario", and the Alistair scene was done with a dwarf made to look like a young girl (with pigtails and such) and that had left me a little traumatized. I clarified that as well, but nobody paid any attention to that clarification either, so I've pretty much given up on trying to assure people that I don't hate dwarf romances.

 

So, yup. Dwarves are gross. Eww. Feel free to quote that out of context and spread it around.

[dutch_gamer]

People really need to stop getting offended over every little thing someone says. DG didn't refer to dwarfism and anyone should immediately be able to realize this. Too often people take everything out of context and this makes it very hard to say anything nowadays,

[Little Princess Peach]

That is so. Fantasy dwarves are not real-life dwarfs.

 

Also? I was joking, as I believe I even mentioned in that thread. Those comments were after people took something I'd said earlier out of context to mean "David Gaider thinks dwarf sex is gross" ...when what I'd said was that we'd reviewed the sex scenes in DAO with a "worst case scenario", and the Alistair scene was done with a dwarf made to look like a young girl (with pigtails and such) and that had left me a little traumatized. I clarified that as well, but nobody paid any attention to that clarification either, so I've pretty much given up on trying to assure people that I don't hate dwarf romances.

 

So, yup. Dwarves are gross. Eww. Feel free to quote that out of context and spread it around.

I was in the same boat as you mr Gaider in DA:O the human/elf with a dawrf scenes made me cringe so I ended up not romancing anyone as a dawrf

[Timberillo]

That is so. Fantasy dwarves are not real-life dwarfs.

 

Also? I was joking, as I believe I even mentioned in that thread. Those comments were after people took something I'd said earlier out of context to mean "David Gaider thinks dwarf sex is gross" ...when what I'd said was that we'd reviewed the sex scenes in DAO with a "worst case scenario", and the Alistair scene was done with a dwarf made to look like a young girl (with pigtails and such) and that had left me a little traumatized. I clarified that as well, but nobody paid any attention to that clarification either, so I've pretty much given up on trying to assure people that I don't hate dwarf romances.

 

So, yup. Dwarves are gross. Eww. Feel free to quote that out of context and spread it around.

 

Regardless of whether it was out of context or not; you shouldn't be saying things like that; at all. As a little person I abhor the use of the word "dwarf" and you shouldn't be using phrases that can be taken out of context like that. Why not just say that you don't like writing Dwarf romances or that you'd prefer not to include female dwarf romances in the game? Why feel the need to type out "Dwarves are gross. Eww."

 

Do you have some prejudice against little people?

[David Gaider]

Regardless of whether it was out of context or not; you shouldn't be saying things like that; at all. As a little person I abhor the use of the word "dwarf" and you shouldn't be using phrases that can be taken out of context like that. Why not just say that you don't like writing Dwarf romances or that you'd prefer not to include female dwarf romances in the game? Why feel the need to type out "Dwarves are gross. Eww."

 

Do you have some prejudice against little people?

 

Sorry, but I'm not going to go any further down this particular rabbit hole. DA dwarves are not "little people", period.

[cronshaw]

Regardless of whether it was out of context or not; you shouldn't be saying things like that; at all. As a little person I abhor the use of the word "dwarf" and you shouldn't be using phrases that can be taken out of context like that. Why not just say that you don't like writing Dwarf romances or that you'd prefer not to include female dwarf romances in the game? Why feel the need to type out "Dwarves are gross. Eww."

 

Do you have some prejudice against little people?

 

What you are doing here is called equivocation

[Tootles FTW]

Regardless of whether it was out of context or not; you shouldn't be saying things like that; at all. As a little person I abhor the use of the word "dwarf" and you shouldn't be using phrases that can be taken out of context like that. Why not just say that you don't like writing Dwarf romances or that you'd prefer not to include female dwarf romances in the game? Why feel the need to type out "Dwarves are gross. Eww."

 

Do you have some prejudice against little people?

 

Breaking news, but the word and term "dwarf" exists in a real-life and fantasy context.  He's referring to the fantasy race, not RL dwarfism/"dwarves".  Which he stated.  And last I heard, "little people" was the preferred nomenclature?

[Gannayev of Dreams]

My locked thread sense is tingling.

[ThatHippoGuy]

That is so. Fantasy dwarves are not real-life dwarfs.

 

Also? I was joking, as I believe I even mentioned in that thread. Those comments were after people took something I'd said earlier out of context to mean "David Gaider thinks dwarf sex is gross" ...when what I'd said was that we'd reviewed the sex scenes in DAO with a "worst case scenario", and the Alistair scene was done with a dwarf made to look like a young girl (with pigtails and such) and that had left me a little traumatized. I clarified that as well, but nobody paid any attention to that clarification either, so I've pretty much given up on trying to assure people that I don't hate dwarf romances.

 

So, yup. Dwarves are gross. Eww. Feel free to quote that out of context and spread it around.

Thank you very much for the speedy response. I'm glad to hear that I simply mistook your post for something that it wasn't. It's distressing to come across what looks to be someone disparaging a family member's existence from an authority in the gaming community, so I appreciate you clearing the matter up.

[TheTurtle]

Regardless of whether it was out of context or not; you shouldn't be saying things like that; at all. As a little person I abhor the use of the word "dwarf" and you shouldn't be using phrases that can be taken out of context like that. Why not just say that you don't like writing Dwarf romances or that you'd prefer not to include female dwarf romances in the game? Why feel the need to type out "Dwarves are gross. Eww."

Do you have some prejudice against little people?

They are not little people they are literally a race called Dwarves and identify as such. They are common in many fantasy series and other than being short in stature share no traits with real life little people.

[Aolbain]

I'm serious, how did you even find it? The comment have to be buried deep within the DA section of the old BSN.

[David Gaider]

Thank you very much for the speedy response. I'm glad to hear that I simply mistook your post for something that it wasn't. It's distressing to come across what looks to be someone disparaging a family member's existence from an authority in the gaming community, so I appreciate you clearing the matter up.

 

Sure thing. I'm sure somone will eventually come along later who misses the clarification as well, but such is life.

 

Take care, hope you enjoy the game.

[Timberillo]

Sorry, but I'm not going to go any further down this particular rabbit hole. DA dwarves are not "little people", period.

 

This isn't about stating whether Dwarves in DA are little people or not, I fully understand that it's a game set in a fantasy universe just as I understand that Dragons aren't real and Ferelden isn't somewhere I can get a flight to.

 

Regardless, as lead writer and one of the figureheads of this game and Bioware, you should choose your phrasing more carefully. It stops people from taking your meaning the wrong way and prevents people from taking things out of context. Yous till haven't explained why you didn't remain professional and state that you weren't interested in writing female dwarf romances rather than just saying "ewww dwarves"

[Char]

Regardless of whether it was out of context or not; you shouldn't be saying things like that; at all. As a little person I abhor the use of the word "dwarf" and you shouldn't be using phrases that can be taken out of context like that. Why not just say that you don't like writing Dwarf romances or that you'd prefer not to include female dwarf romances in the game? Why feel the need to type out "Dwarves are gross. Eww."

 

Do you have some prejudice against little people?

 

I can see that this is a subject close to your heart, but the fantasy race of Dwarves does not derive from little people in any aspect, and no references made to them are in any way representative of people's views on little people. The importance of making a romance scene between a fantasy dwarf and a human a clearly mature scene is what is being discussed, albeit in a tongue-in-cheek fashion, and it is therefore not an assertion that little people are unsuitable for relationships.

[Kantr]

This isn't about stating whether Dwarves in DA are little people or not, I fully understand that it's a game set in a fantasy universe just as I understand that Dragons aren't real and Ferelden isn't somewhere I can get a flight to.

 

Regardless, as lead writer and one of the figureheads of this game and Bioware, you should choose your phrasing more carefully. It stops people from taking your meaning the wrong way and prevents people from taking things out of context. Yous till haven't explained why you didn't remain professional and state that you weren't interested in writing female dwarf romances rather than just saying "ewww dwarves"

He was taken out of context in that post as he said.

[godModeAlpha]

People really need to stop getting offended over every little thing someone says. DG didn't refer to dwarfism and anyone should immediately be able to realize this. Too often people take everything out of context and this makes it very hard to say anything nowadays,

Funny thing too is that the OP has taken it out of context from a 4 year old message. Someone has a lot of catching up to do then.

Edit: with such promiscuity I'm surprised to learn there were no brothers in Orzammer. No wonder Orghen could not control himself in the Pearl.

[BloodyTalon]

-checks the dead horse-

[Timberillo]

He was taken out of context in that post as he said.

It doesn't matter whether it was taken out of context or not, the lead writer shouldn't be making statements like that especially when there are thousands of better ways to word it. It gives off the vibe that he has some sort of prejudice against little people. 

[David Gaider]

Regardless, as lead writer and one of the figureheads of this game and Bioware, you should choose your phrasing more carefully. It stops people from taking your meaning the wrong way and prevents people from taking things out of context. Yous till haven't explained why you didn't remain professional and state that you weren't interested in writing female dwarf romances rather than just saying "ewww dwarves"

 

I am not in PR and do not speak in phrases chosen for their carefully-constructed banality. Even if I did, I'm certain that such statements would be misinterpreted by some (deliberately or not), so there seems little point. So I choose to speak like a human being--deal with that as you wish. Estimations on my professionality I leave to my employers.