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[Nocte ad Mortem]

Varric didn't just date a woman, he talks about women and compliments female Hawke as "beautiful", while never mentioning that male Hawke is attractive. Varric could be bisexual, but I'm really tired of bisexual males with an obvious preference for females. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't always the only slant shown. We've never had a bisexual male that favored males.  

[JadePrince]

I agree with that. It would be better to have the two remaining love interests be bisexual, so straight and gay player characters have equal number of choices.

 

 

Why, though? I'm sure you know that having had a relationship with the opposite gender doesn't preclude one from being bisexual. If it's about the absence of any relationship or expressed indication of attraction to the same gender in-game, that did not stop Anders and Kaidan.

So I'm not sure how you came to that perception.

 

No, I know. It's not because of any hard evidence or anything. It's not even because he only talks about his attraction to women.

 

He just reminds me of a couple of straight guy friends I have who are super comfy with their sexuality, and joke around like Varric does with Male Hawke, but in the end, they're still all about the ladies. I'm not saying that proves anything, of course. It just means that, for me personally, Varric reminds me of those straight guys I know, so it gives me a feeling that he might be straight. *shrug*

 

I swear I'm not trying to convince anyone tho. It's just a feeling. Obviously, I'm totally open to him being bisexual (though if they go that route, I hope he addressed his attraction to men, and that the male Inquisitor isn't his one m/m exception-- a trope I haaaate).

[Who Knows]

It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't always the only slant shown. We've never had a bisexual male that favored males.

I actually don't like the bisexual love interests to outright favor one gender or another. If I was in a relationship with a bisexual person and they told me that they prefer a gender that wasn't my gender, that would not make me feel good.

But if you just mean romantic history, then yea, I would like to see a bisexual male who had more or at least history with males. Not sure if Anders count, but I didn't like that they tucked away his relationship with Karl if you played as female.

 

Varric could be bisexual, but I'm really tired of bisexual males with an obvious preference for females.

I swear I'm not trying to convince anyone tho. It's just a feeling. Obviously, I'm totally open to him being bisexual (though if they go that route, I hope he addressed his attraction to men, and that the male Inquisitor isn't his one m/m exception-- a trope I haaaate).

These are really good points. If bisexual Varric wouldn't show any attraction to males outside of his romance, I would probably prefer a bisexual Solas assuming that Solas isn't another example of the trope.

[Raikas]

Why, though? I'm sure you know that having had a relationship with the opposite gender doesn't preclude one from being bisexual. If it's about the absence of any relationship or expressed indication of attraction to the same gender in-game, that did not stop Anders and Kaidan.
So I'm not sure how you came to that perception.

To be fair, the comparison is a bit different for those other two - prior to the last two DAI romances being both mysteries and presumed bisexuals, I haven't seen nearly the discussion about subtext that we saw for Anders (a decent number of people heard his banters with Nathaniel as flirtatious, he has the love line with all wardens, and so on) and Kaidan had a fair bit of dialogue for a romanced Shepard that was in the game for non-romanced Shepards (for example the "loosing you was like loosing a limb" line in ME2).

That's not to say I absolutely wouldn't believe the same in Varric (I don't really care myself - I actually think he's better as a non-romance, but I wouldn't complain if he was added either way), just that I don't think there was ever the same volume of arguments about the ambiguity of the character before the current reveals started. As such, I don't see why admitting to perceiving Varric as straight (when again, we haven't seen much ambiguity) is odd as for characters where there were discussions and arguments since the beginning.

[CallmeFinn]

 So far we have six romances that will be spread equally among everyone, sexuality, gender, race.

 

I think these last two options Iwill be double restricted, giving a small privilege for those willing to play as very specific subset of characters.  My other reasoning for this is because there would be less rigging (I think that's the right word).  The people would have less work to do and the bodies would match up, so wah-lah two extra romances and a few extra people happy. At least that makes the most sense to me.

 

 For instance I think one will be Varric: Lady Dwarves only, and then somebody doubly restricted as well. I would guess maybe Solas for male elves?

[AnubisOnly]

I hope Solas is gay/bi, cuz as it is now females have more gay/bi options than males. And I also hope that Vivienne is straight or bi (I want to romance her with my male PC too ;-P).

[Who Knows]

 So far we have six romances that will be spread equally among everyone, sexuality, gender, race.

 

I think these last two options Iwill be double restricted, giving a small privilege for those willing to play as very specific subset of characters.  My other reasoning for this is because there would be less rigging (I think that's the right word).  The people would have less work to do and the bodies would match up, so wah-lah two extra romances and a few extra people happy. At least that makes the most sense to me.

 

 For instance I think one will be Varric: Lady Dwarves only, and then somebody doubly restricted as well. I would guess maybe Solas for male elves?

Less rigging, but is writing the dialogue, scripting the scenes, and keeping track of the variables worth it when the restriction is so narrow? Dwarves in particular are the least played race, and females probably the least of both.

[Kalamah]

For me, as long as Vivienne is an LI I'll be content, and I'll be happy if she's bi/lesbian. I'm ambivalent about the remaining men thus far, as I honestly don't really care either way.

 

I do hope the remaining two LI's are bi, and I'm somewhat wary about the race-gating but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt until I see the in-game context for why. I don't like the idea of race-gating since it brings in an analogue to IRL race issues even if the races are fictional in this case, which is mainly why I'm skeptical.

 

However, I'm the sort to want to try every romance at least once, so making a PC for each according to their preferences isn't a big deal to me. For example, Morrigan was worth making a male Warden to romance her even though I vastly prefer playing women. So, I'll wait and see how it's handled for DAI before I decide whether the implications aren't so great.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm going to go ahead and just paste my thoughts on the last characters being bisexual from the other romance speculation thread;

 

What Bioware has said is that everyone will get options and that equality between genders/sexualities is their first priority. Gaider said at a recent con that they used the chart to make sure everyone had at least 2 options, even by race. Everyone was always planned to have two options, but some may get more depending on the gates. With three originally planned race gated characters, and knowing Iron Bull was gated, we can be pretty sure that there needs to be another bisexual male, at least. See;

 

Dorian - available to every male

Cullen - available to every female

Iron Bull - not available to dwarves

 

This scenario meant that straight women and gay men wouldn't have 2 options for dwarves (for example, or whatever race(s) IB was meant to be gated from). IB was planned gated until very recently, so it doesn't make much sense that the others wouldn't have been planned around that. They said the chart was used to make sure everyone got 2 options. The example he used was even, "we can't do that, it would screw over gay male dwarves". By elimination of what they've said their process is, I think it's extremely unlikely that the last male is straight.

 

We know that Josephine is not gated and never seemed to be planned gated, so there still remains a chance that either Vivienne will be straight or she will not be an LI. However, since they've said their priority is with equality of gender/sexuality, I believe the options will end up as 2/4/2. I think Vivienne and one male out of the remaining will be available as bisexual options. 

[Who Knows]

It's only fair that the remaining two romances are bisexual.

[CallmeFinn]

Less rigging, but is writing the dialogue, scripting the scenes, and keeping track of the variables worth it when the restriction is so narrow? Dwarves in particular are the least played race, and females probably the least of both.

I think it might be. Rather, I think the devs might think it is.  While I'm not sure that I agree dwarves will be the least played this time, I certainly think that  great majority of people would be willing to create a specific type of character to romance someone of their choosing.

[Celtic Latino]

I just think it's only fair that the last remaining two romances are at least one male and one female. Considering the romances are within advisors/companions, that pretty much leaves Vivienne and one of the guys (Blackwall, Varric, Solas). I'd prefer an equal gender ratio at the very least.

 

(Unless of course there are more advisors within the Inquisition we don't know about either because they are a secret reveal or because they have another funciton within the Inquisition. Its reaching but not entirely impossible).

[MCG]

Vivienne and Solas will be the final two romances, Varric still has his 'Bianca' tale and no way was he going to be be bisexual.

[Who Knows]

I think it might be. Rather, I think the devs might think it is.  While I'm not sure that I agree dwarves will be the least played this time, I certainly think that  great majority of people would be willing to create a specific type of character to romance someone of their choosing.

 

Looking at the "race you don't like to play as" thread, there are far more posts there that say they don't want to play as a dwarf than as a qunari.

[Rabies]

I don't know if it's just me but....

 

I don't understand the need to make certain Romances completely gender specific. Why not just make the characters Playersexual? To be honest, I am not a huge fan of Cassandra or Josephine as far as romance options. They don't seem attractive to me, but I don't really know how I will feel after interacting with their personalities. I really thought Sera was interesting, but she's female-only and I don't play females. 

 

At least for me I always play a male because I am projecting myself into the world and role. It just seems like the romance portion will be a little disappointing for me. I'm also sure there's gay dudes who want to romance Cullen. It just seems like an odd decision to make.

[Grieving Natashina]

I don't know if it's just me but....

 

I don't understand the need to make certain Romances completely gender specific. Why not just make the characters Playersexual? To be honest, I am not a huge fan of Cassandra or Josephine as far as romance options. They don't seem attractive to me, but I don't really know how I will feel after interacting with their personalities. I really thought Sera was interesting, but she's female-only and I don't play females. 

 

At least for me I always play a male because I am projecting myself into the world and role. It just seems like the romance portion will be a little disappointing for me. I'm also sure there's gay dudes who want to romance Cullen. It just seems like an odd decision to make.

David Gaider explains where they are coming from with the romances here.  It does get into far more than just Anders:

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...tions-on-anders

[daveliam]

So seeing as the general romance thread got closed, I felt the need to necro this thread to discuss this tweet by Mr. Gaider:

 

David Gaider @davidgaider  ·  Jul 29

So someone told me that *I* said the two remaining LI's are the race-gated ones. An odd thing for me to say, seeing as it's untrue.

 

 

My reaction?  !!!

 

So here is my "logical" analysis of this new data: 

 

At least one out of Cullen, Cassandra, Sera, and Dorian are race-gated, since we know that Iron Bull and Josephine are un-gated.

 

Whoever is gated, there has to be another same gendered/same sexuality (or bisexual) option still to be revealed so that all of the PC's get at least two options.  For example, if Cullen is race-gated against dwarves, there would have to be another straight or bisexual guy to be revealed who is into dwarves because otherwise lady dwarves would only have Iron Bull.

 

And, outside of that, I'm not sure what to think.  Anyone else care to try to speculate given this new info?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think the remaining LIs will be a bisexual Vivienne and Solas with Solas being an ungated romance. I think the gates will be on Vivienne and maybe Cullen.

[Samahl]

May as well re-post this from the Solas thread, then:

 

Gaider's take on the last two LIs:

 

Spoiler

ANONYMOUS: So why all the secrecy around the last two LI's? Is there something really unique and special about them, like would knowing who they are be a spoiler? I hope bioware isn't planning on not announcing them at all. The wait to know is killing me.

 

No, there is nothing earth-shatteringly special about the two remaining love interests. Nor does knowing who they are count as a massive spoiler—outside of knowing who any of the romances are counting as a spoiler. If it were up to me, we wouldn’t announce who can and can’t be romanced prior to the game’s release at all… talking about the fact that we have romances, as a feature, would be as far as I’d want to go.

 

But that ship has sailed insofar as Inquisition goes, I suppose. If all the potential love interests haven’t yet been announced, it’s probably because none of them were planned as “announcements”. I imagine details on the rest will come in good time—when they figure out the best way to do it.

 

Or not. I really have very little input on the subject, and I can’t discuss things which haven’t already been announced without due authorization. At this point, I wouldn’t mind if we just revealed the rest and got it over with… so folks can stop treating it like some kind of sweepstakes lottery, if nothing else.

 

Either way, trust me when I say BioWare is very aware there are many fans intensely interested in knowing more. :)

 

Source: http://dgaider.tumbl...last-two-lis-is

[Samahl]

Also from the Solas thread:

 

@Pancheers dear david lioyd. If you're allowed to, can you please tell us wether Solas will be a love interest or not? Thank you

 

Gareth David-Lloyd‏@Pancheers

@EllaDelSol you will not be disappointed

 

@Pancheers Since you're being so sweet & answering questions, could you tell us if Solas is a romance option in Inquisition? 

 

Gareth David-Lloyd‏@Pancheers

 I don't know what I can say...but enjoy

[daveliam]

Also from the Solas thread:

 

Interesting.  That bodes well for the Solas fans.  If he is an LI, it would certainly be nice to have a male romance that's more erudite.  I'm not sure how interested in him I am personally, but he seems like a great character and will most likely be a trusted ally for most of my Inquisitors, since I tend to roll thoughtful and "scholarly" type characters often. 

[Phate Phoenix]

So seeing as the general romance thread got closed, I felt the need to necro this thread to discuss this tweet by Mr. Gaider:

 

David Gaider @davidgaider  ·  Jul 29

So someone told me that *I* said the two remaining LI's are the race-gated ones. An odd thing for me to say, seeing as it's untrue.

 

 

My reaction?  !!!

 

So here is my "logical" analysis of this new data: 

 

At least one out of Cullen, Cassandra, Sera, and Dorian are race-gated, since we know that Iron Bull and Josephine are un-gated.

 

Whoever is gated, there has to be another same gendered/same sexuality (or bisexual) option still to be revealed so that all of the PC's get at least two options.  For example, if Cullen is race-gated against dwarves, there would have to be another straight or bisexual guy to be revealed who is into dwarves because otherwise lady dwarves would only have Iron Bull.

 

And, outside of that, I'm not sure what to think.  Anyone else care to try to speculate given this new info?

 

The itty-bitty thought I have running in my head is that Sera will be gated against humans, and that Vivienne will be a lesbian gated against elves, and possibly qunari. It's highly unlikely, sure, but I thought I'd share. 

 

More likely I think would be Cullen gated against qunari, and/or possibly dwarves. The longest shot I think is Dorian being gated against elves and/or qunari.

[Chron0id]

The itty-bitty thought I have running in my head is that Sera will be gated against humans, and that Vivienne will be a lesbian gated against elves, and possibly qunari. It's highly unlikely, sure, but I thought I'd share. 

 

More likely I think would be Cullen gated against qunari, and/or possibly dwarves. The longest shot I think is Dorian being gated against elves and/or qunari.

YES, this means Cassandra won't be race-gated against qunari! 

[Samahl]

The itty-bitty thought I have running in my head is that Sera will be gated against humans, and that Vivienne will be a lesbian gated against elves, and possibly qunari.

 

On one hand, I'd hate for either to be race-gated. On the other, two lesbian LIs would be fantastic.

[Icy Magebane]

May as well re-post this from the Solas thread, then:

 

Gaider's take on the last two LIs:

 

Spoiler

ANONYMOUS: So why all the secrecy around the last two LI's? Is there something really unique and special about them, like would knowing who they are be a spoiler? I hope bioware isn't planning on not announcing them at all. The wait to know is killing me.

 

No, there is nothing earth-shatteringly special about the two remaining love interests. Nor does knowing who they are count as a massive spoiler—outside of knowing who any of the romances are counting as a spoiler. If it were up to me, we wouldn’t announce who can and can’t be romanced prior to the game’s release at all… talking about the fact that we have romances, as a feature, would be as far as I’d want to go.

 

But that ship has sailed insofar as Inquisition goes, I suppose. If all the potential love interests haven’t yet been announced, it’s probably because none of them were planned as “announcements”. I imagine details on the rest will come in good time—when they figure out the best way to do it.

 

Or not. I really have very little input on the subject, and I can’t discuss things which haven’t already been announced without due authorization. At this point, I wouldn’t mind if we just revealed the rest and got it over with… so folks can stop treating it like some kind of sweepstakes lottery, if nothing else.

 

Either way, trust me when I say BioWare is very aware there are many fans intensely interested in knowing more.

 

Source: http://dgaider.tumbl...last-two-lis-is

lol... whenever Gaider talks about romance he always seems so annoyed, or maybe disinterested.  It always sounds to me that he would rather not have to deal with it...

 

Eh... kind of an odd decision to reveal all but two of the LIs but, I guess they know what they're doing.

 

The itty-bitty thought I have running in my head is that Sera will be gated against humans, and that Vivienne will be a lesbian gated against elves, and possibly qunari. It's highly unlikely, sure, but I thought I'd share. 

Two lesbians with multiple race gates? Whaaaaa???