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[AresKeith]

They basically said at one point that not all races would get the same amount of options, so I don't think there's that strong of a cause to assume they'll make one of the remaining the specific sexuality of the possible race gated one. I expect the race gates to make things uneven. Based on what David Gaider said before, I'd actually be surprised if things were balanced by race. We know everyone will have two options, but based on a quote someone showed me before by Allan, I'm not even sure if we can be sure that was solid before Iron Bull was ungated.  

 

Yea, didn't they say that player races wasn't that much of a concern to them?

[Parkimus]

Blackwall looks old and may be close to his Calling. He might even have someone as a love interest in the Wardens. I mean come on, Wardens eat a lot and according to Morrigan are sexually very adept. Surely there must be plenty of sleeping around happening there. Romancing him can only end in painful tragedy. 

 

Ah, the "old people are incapable of love" argument. You're also right about the "painful tragedy" part, good thing Thane's romance had an ending where he and FemShep lived happily ever after

[jellobell]

I do have to say that the idea that one of the gender-gated LIs are also race-gated makes me wonder if one of the remaining LIs has the same sexuality but is open to opposite races. For example, lesbian Sera gated against humans and lesbian Vivienne gated against everything except for humans or straight Cullen gated against dwarves and straight Varriv being gated against everything except dwarves. They could be viewing them as effectively one option. It wouldn't surprise me .

 

That's what I was thinking. We know that the devs' priority was making sure that no matter who you played as, you'd have a choice, meaning at least two options. That's what The Chart was for.

 

So, assuming that the last two are Solas (bi, ungated) and Varric (straight, dwarves):

 

Straight female Qunari, Elves, Humans: Solas, Cullen, Iron Bull

Straight female Dwarves: Solas, Iron Bull, Varric

Gay female Inquisitors: Josephine, Sera

Gay male Inquisitors: Iron Bull, Solas, Dorian

Straight male Inquisitors: Josephine, Cass

 

The tricky thing is that IB used to be gated, and we have no idea who he was gated against. If he was gated against all dwarves, then gay male dwarves would've been alright since they'd have Dorian (assuming that he's ungated), but straight female dwarves would've only had Solas (assuming that Cullen is gated against dwarves and that Solas is a bi ungated romance).

 

Really, I don't think it's possible to accurately predict who the gated options are going to be, since they're going to be gated for story reasons and we just don't know enough about these characters.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Yea, didn't they say that player races wasn't that much of a concern to them?

David Gaider and Allan have both said they consider race to be a lower priority than real world groups. Here's the main post David Gaider made about race gates again;

 

http://forum.bioware...ame/?p=16748066

 

"By "particular group" I mean "in real life."

 

Worrying about the distribution between male and female players, and one of them feeling like content geared at them was an afterthought, I am fine with. Worrying about a distribution amongst sexualities, and making it so that gay or bisexual players don't feel they won't have choices, I am also fine with. Worrying about "players who like playing dwarves" or "players who like playing humans" or whatever other races, that I'm not as concerned about. Which is why I'm saying you will have options, but you may not have the same number of options depending on what race you select.

 

It's fine if someone doesn't like that idea. Some folks, we're quite aware, aren't happy that romances are being gated at all and would prefer to have all romances available to all PC's. I would suggest not panicking just yet, as not all romances are even race-gated and the options have not all suddenly dried up as someone might fear, but I suppose until and unless they learn otherwise they can justifiably choose to be pessimistic. Maybe we'll put up the chart (yes, there's actually a chart) at some point, and having said information will make you feel better before you play the game, but that's not really my decision."

[jellobell]

David Gaider and Allan have both said they consider race to be a lower priority than real world groups. Here's the main post David Gaider made about race gates again;

 

See, that just leads me to believe that DG wasn't gonna sweat it if it worked out that straight female elves/qunari/humans got three options while straight female dwarves only got two (while IB was still race-gated). I believe they already confirmed that no matter what your race and sexuality you're always going to get at least two options. So the unevenness here is that some Inquisitors might get three.

[Icy Magebane]

Yeah... at this point I'd rather they just told us.  If the reasons are story related, just tell us who likes what but not why.

[AresKeith]

David Gaider and Allan have both said they consider race to be a lower priority than real world groups. Here's the main post David Gaider made about race gates again;

 

Yea so at best the Players themselves would probably get equal options, while the players races might not

[Nocte ad Mortem]

My guess is that Cullen is probably gated towards Qunari, since he had a bad experience with them in Kirkwall. It's what makes the most sense to me from a "story reasons" aspect. I think it's likely that they already thought Iron Bull was evening out Cullen's gate, rather than that they clashed. Alternatively, it could be that Sera is gated towards humans and Josephine/Vivienne balance it as bisexual options.  

[jellobell]

Yea so at best the Players themselves would probably get equal options, while the players races might not

 

Nope.

 

Posted by Allan in the locked romance thread:

 

 

I was being universal.  No matter what type of character you wish to play (within the confines that we tend to, for better or worse, adhere to a binary gender convention) choosing your race will not deny you choices.

 

 

EDIT: At least I'm 99% sure this is the case (it wasn't always).... I'll need to confirm.

 

I can't quote properly since the thread has been locked, but here's the link to the post.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

If we want to keep speculating, perhaps Vivienne might be available to romance but only for mages and nobles because of her position of a mage in a royal court. She seems like a woman that is very ambitious and magically powerful. Someone who reflects these values, be it a mage or a noble or both would attract her. 

 

Blackwall might be very well capable of love but again, if it happens, it will not be a happily ever after love. Additionally, from our experience with Wardens, we know that they can be a group that are quite sexually promiscuous. Duncan seduced a mage in the Circle Tower. I find it odd that someone like Blackwall who is part of the Wardens for a long time, do not have this mentality. 

[BubbleDncr]

I wonder if DA:I will end up having 2 romances that are "more involved in the plot" than the rest - since I think a lot of their game have been like that in the past. I always happened to romance Kaiden, Alistair, and Anders in my first playthroughs of ME and DA, and I've always been glad I did, cos I feel like if I had romanced them in later playthroughs, the games wouldn't have been as emotional experiences for me. I just wouldn't have cared as about picking who lived/died, the Dark Ritual, or the end of DA2, had I not been in a romance with the characters involved - and later playthroughs wouldn't be as big a deal, since I'd already know what was coming.

 

So...if Viv and Solas are the last 2, I think they might be the ones important to the plot - especially if they're both bi. Cos then they'd be companions (not advisers), and available to all players (if there's no race gating - honestly I don't know who to predict for that),And it seems to fit with Viv's "secret ambition" and Solas's "fade expertise."

 

Tho ideally I'd like all romances to be equally important to the plot, it just seems like that's a stretch with so many in this game. 

[Samahl]

If we want to keep speculating, perhaps Vivienne might be available to romance but only for mages and nobles because of her position of a mage in a royal court.

 

As far as I know, there is no class-gating. Unless you're implying that the only people who could satisfy the "noble" prerequisite are humans, therefore, she must gated to everyone but humans, in which case, it's possible.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Nope.

 

Posted by Allan in the locked romance thread:

 

 

I can't quote properly since the thread has been locked, but here's the link to the post.

The post he responds to is asking if they'll possibly only have one option for race and he's saying they'll definitely have a choice, but he's not sure they always did. Which I would take to mean everyone has two options, but maybe they didn't before Iron bull was ungated.

[jellobell]

The post he responds to is asking if they'll possibly only have one option for race and he's saying they'll definitely have a choice, but he's not sure they always did. Which I would take to mean everyone has two options, but maybe they didn't before Iron bull was ungated.

 

Yeah, I just realized that that might be the case. So if IB was gated against elves/dwarves and Cullen is gated against dwarves/qunari then straight female dwarves would've only had one option if the last two are Solas and Viv. I can see that as being plausible.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Yeah, I just realized that that might be the case. So if IB was gated against elves/dwarves and cullen was gated against dwarves/qunari then straight female dwarves would've only had one option if the last two are Solas and Viv. I can see that as being plausible.

That seems like a likely scenario. It could be why they were very dedicated to getting the gates removed from Iron Bull. 

[Parkimus]

Blackwall might be very well capable of love but again, if it happens, it will not be a happily ever after love.

 

I wouldn't be opposed to a tragic romance, mind you. It's like a "cherish what you have while you have it" thing for me. If the writers kill him off, he'll probably die regardless of whether he was romanced or not. I've also seen some people argue that if he is going to die, making him a LI is "wasted" on him, which I disagree with.

 

Additionally, from our experience with Wardens, we know that they can be a group that are quite sexually promiscuous. Duncan seduced a mage in the Circle Tower. I find it odd that someone like Blackwall who is part of the Wardens for a long time, do not have this mentality. 

 

I can't imagine that Blackwall was celibate, but romance doesn't equal necessarily sex (not saying you claimed otherwise, just adding a point).

[Maria Caliban]

As far as I know, there is no class-gating.

We haven't really asked the developers about class gating.

[Samahl]

We haven't really asked the developers about class gating.

 

Really? I thought somebody did and they said class wouldn't be a factor.

[luridedith]

Realistically Solas and Vivienne are the last two. Solas is ungated bi, Vivienne and Cullen are gated to human and elf only. Vivienne for political reasons and Cullen for religious. This means each race has at least four to choose from (at least two of each gender). I think the last minute push for Iron Bull to be ungated is because otherwise a straight female dwarf would be only have Solas to romance.

 

 

Human male - Cassandra, Vivienne, Josephine, Dorian, Solas, Iron Bull

Human female - Cullen, Solas, Iron Bull, Sera, Vivienne, Josephine

Elf male - Cassandra, Vivienne, Josephine, Dorian, Solas, Iron Bull

Elf female - Cullen, Solas, Iron Bull, Sera, Vivienne, Josephine

Dwarf male - Cassandra, Josephine, Dorian, Solas, Iron Bull

Dwarf female - Solas, Iron Bull, Sera, Josephine

Qunari male - Cassandra, Josephine, Dorian, Solas, Iron Bull

Qunari female - Solas, Iron Bull, Sera, Josephine

[daveliam]

So it seems as if the consensus here is that gay male characters might have three un-gated options available to them?  Dorian, Iron Bull, and Solas.  I don't even know what to do with this many options.  Four years ago, we'd never even had a choice in LI and now there might be three options?  I'm thrilled, but this would mean that I would have to do at least five playthroughs!  One for each m/m option, one for a female PC, and one as my "canon" where I do all of the combinations that I liked the best from my first playthroughs.  I guess I know where I'm spending my free time this holiday season.

[Vapaa]

So it seems as if the consensus here is that gay male characters might have three un-gated options available to them? 

 

Well, there will be another male LI, that's a given, sure they can throw a curveball an make him straight, wait (more) and see (perhaps).

[Milan92]

I can definitely see Vivienne race-gated against Dalish

 

I still think both Cass and Vivienne are gonna be race-gated and only available for humans.

[Icy Magebane]

I still think both Cass and Vivienne are gonna be race-gated and only available for humans.

Any thoughts on Viv being gender gated in some way, or do you think she is bi?

 

edited out horrific typo...

[Milan92]

Any thoughts on Viv being gender gated in some way, or would do you think she is bi?

 

I'm assuming the last two romances are gonna be bi. It would provide an equal number of options for everyone.

[Icy Magebane]

I'm assuming the last two romances are gonna be bi. It would provide an equal number of options for everyone.

Yeah, I have a hard time believing the last two aren't a bi male and female.  Race gating is too unpredictable for me, however.... it could apply to anyone for any number of reasons.