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[Milan92]

Yeah, I figured as much... kind of explains a lot of what I've been reading from you.

 

And what is that supposed to mean, if you don't mind me asking?

[Icy Magebane]

We had a big, long discussion about it in the locked Romance thread, actually. The general consensus was that your companions are your equals, all having something unique to bring to the table, and each being a powerful (physically and in some cases, politically) individual in their own right. What makes you think that they're just soldiers, subordinate to the Inquisitor?

lol... so they can override my decisions in the field if they disagree?  That's odd.  That means that Varric could just propose that the group votes on what happens to Crestwood, and then I have to follow along if I get outvoted?  Huh?

[Icy Magebane]

And what is that supposed to mean, if you don't mind me asking?

I deleted that post because I realized that I shouldn't have said it.  I apologize.

[Pierce Miller]

Milan92, on 31 Jul 2014 - 6:27 PM, said:

Well, they did always receive the short end of the stick each time. So I'm fine with it if they for once get a bit more than us.

I think making things equal makes far more sense, it's not like they want revenge on us for that

[Samahl]

lol... so they can override my decisions in the field if they disagree?  That's odd.  That means that Varric could just propose that the group votes on what happens to Crestwood, and then I have to follow along if I get outvoted?  Huh?

 

Your companions in DAO and DA2 couldn't override you either, and they certainly weren't your subordinates. Varric also lets you sell Fenris into slavery.

[Chron0id]

I deleted that post because I realized that I shouldn't have said it.  I apologize.

Aw, come on.  Things were gettting interesting!

[Milan92]

I deleted that post because I realized that I shouldn't have said it.  I apologize.

 

It's fine.

 

 

I think making things equal makes far more sense, it's not like they want revenge on us for that

 

I want it to be equal as well, but I personally won't be butthurt at all if they give them a little more this time.

 

That's all I'm saying.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The chances that the last two LIs are gay are almost non-existent, so I wouldn't freak out about that. Yes, some people will probably get maybe one less choice by race. I doubt strongly it will only be straight people that do. Not getting the specific romance or romance-race combination you want is very different than actually getting less choices by your gender/sexuality. If everyone gets the same amount of options by real world group, I have very little sympathy for anyone complaining beyond, "aww, I wish ___ would have been an option for me", and moving on. If anyone gets actually less options by their real world group (whether straight, gay, etc) then I will support that it was unfair towards that group and hope the problem is corrected in the future. 

[Phate Phoenix]

I think he is saying, "It's untrue that I said that."

 

It's the last sentence that trips me up. "An odd thing for me to say, seeing as it's untrue." What does 'it' refer to? That he said it? "An odd thing for me to say, seeing as me saying that is untrue." That's awkward phrasing, an unnecessary. DG could be saying that, I suppose, but it's just... such poor structure.   They way I'm reading it is 'it's' is referring to the actual statement. "An odd thing for me to say, seeing as both of the remaining LI's being race-gated is untrue." Much nicer.

 

But I could be wrong!

[Icy Magebane]

Your companions in DAO and DA2 couldn't override you either, and they certainly weren't your subordinates. Varric also lets you sell Fenris into slavery.

DA2 was strange because most of those people had very little reason to even go on adventures together... but in DA:O, the Warden was unquestionably in charge of the mission.  Unless the companions can oppose you directly, ignore commands without reproach, or leave and follow a different path that is reflected in the game, then they are in fact, subordinates.  It is even more apparent in the military context of the story.

 

I can agree that the companions are not beholden to the Inquisitor.  They are free to leave at any time and can voice whatever opinions they wish to.  However, until they begin acting independently, and can do so without fear of reprimand, the Inquisitor is still their leader.

[Bellanaris88]

I actually like the concept of race-gated romances. It gives me more reason to play a certain race/gender combination and it makes the romance that more personal to that PC. Just as it is with sexual preferences.

[Bellanaris88]

It's the last sentence that trips me up. "An odd thing for me to say, seeing as it's untrue." What does 'it' refer to? That he said it? "An odd thing for me to say, seeing as me saying that is untrue." That's awkward phrasing, an unnecessary. DG could be saying that, I suppose, but it's just... such poor structure.   They way I'm reading it is 'it's' is referring to the actual statement. "An odd thing for me to say, seeing as both of the remaining LI's being race-gated is untrue." Much nicer.

 

But I could be wrong!

 

I read it the same way.

[Samahl]

DA2 was strange because most of those people had very little reason to even go on adventures together... but in DA:O, the Warden was unquestionably in charge of the mission.  Unless the companions can oppose you directly, ignore commands without reproach, or leave and follow a different path that is reflected in the game, then they are in fact, subordinates.  It is even more apparent in the military context of the story.

 

I can agree that the companions are not beholden to the Inquisitor.  They are free to leave at any time and can voice whatever opinions they wish to.  However, until they begin acting independently, and can do so without fear of reprimand, the Inquisitor is still their leader.

 

I get the feeling that we mostly agree, but the words are coming out wrong (at least on my part). Let's just leave it there, 'cuz it's kind of off-topic.

[Maria Caliban]

The chances that the last two LIs are gay are almost non-existent, so I wouldn't freak out about that.

After Sera and Dorian were announced, I recall people freaking out about BioWare neglecting straight men until Cassandra and Josephine were announced. This seems a persistent anxiety for some.

[jtav]

I feel pretty strongly that Blackwall isn't a LI, so the final two will come from Solas, Varric, and Vivienne. GDL's tweets are very winkwinknudgenudge, so I feel reasonably confident predicting him. Varric vs. Vivienne is harder for me, but I'm going with the one who doesn't have an unresolved relationship as a core part of their character.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I read it the same way.

I did also. It doesn't make much sense in the context of, "that's a strange thing for me to say, since I didn't say that". It only really makes sense to me as, "that's a strange thing for me to say, since that statement would be false".   

[CuriousArtemis]

I did also. It doesn't make much sense in the context of, "that's a strange thing for me to say, since I didn't say that". It only really makes sense to me as, "that's a strange thing for me to say, since that statement would be false".   

 

He had a follow up tweet that that kind of made things more confusing ^^ Poor thing, I really feel for him.

[LiaraShepard]

With the Gareth David-Lloyd tweets, I'll be surprised if Solas is not an LI. I think the race gates will be on Vivienne and either Cullen or Sera. 

 

Yes, I'm quite sure Solas will be a bisexual LI. But it's highly hinted that at least on of the already confirmed LI's is going to be race gated and it would make sense with Cullen. If Cullen is gated against dwarfs, there is the possibility that female gamers who play as a dwarf get Varric instead. I don't hope they go this route but I have a bad feeling that Vivienne won't be a romance option.:/  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

After Sera and Dorian were announced, I recall people freaking out about BioWare neglecting straight men until Cassandra and Josephine were announced. This seems a persistent anxiety for some.

Well, I guess I can understand, in a way. While things are unconfirmed, anything could happen in theory. Reading the romance discussions and seeing people say it could happen and that people support it happening just sends people into panic mode on all sides. The possibility is extremely low that the last two will be gay, but none of us can say it's impossible. Likewise, it's possible that other groups may not have equal options in other scenarios, some more likely than others. I imagine people on all sides will continue to worry that they'll be shorted until we know the situation officially. As long as the possibility exists, some will expect the worst for themselves. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

He had a follow up tweet that that kind of made things more confusing ^^ Poor thing, I really feel for him.

Well, that poster had taken his post to mean both the gated options would be ones we already knew. So, he was responding to a post that took his as confirmation that both would be, rather than one or both. I think that might be the difference. 

[Cat Fancy]

The fact that Gamlen says "So, you're into elves, huh? I guess I don't have to ask which one of you's the girl." demonstrates that there is actually some real world relevance to it. Elves are seem as effeminate and fairy-like, unlike manly humans (like Alistair, Sebastian, and Cullen) who are straight a good amount of the time.

I'm still not really concerned by the prospect of all queer elves, all the time. If Gamlen* (or a player) is racist and homophobic, that's on them, not a queer elf for existing in their presence. I'm sure others disagree (because they are saying that in this very thread), but I don't desire queer-seeming characters who are surprisingly straight nearly as much as actual queer characters. When that effeminate flight attendant in Snakes on a Plane (god remember that) was revealed to be straight, I was not pleased with how progressive the filmmakers were being. I wasn't offended either, but whatever.

 

My primary point remains that it would be awesome if Solas were bisexual because I might like him, and I'm sure some women will, too.    All elven, and flight attendant, companions should be bisexual until such a time as I, Cat Fancy, am not interested in one.

 

*I thought that exchange was interesting and appreciated the reminder that homophobia's still a thing among Fereldans, at least. Also, remember purple Hawke making a joke about ****** Fenris with his big **** after a sex scene? smh @ fenris living up to that stereotype & being unable to role-play a poorly endowed Hawke

[daveliam]

It's the last sentence that trips me up. "An odd thing for me to say, seeing as it's untrue." What does 'it' refer to? That he said it? "An odd thing for me to say, seeing as me saying that is untrue." That's awkward phrasing, an unnecessary. DG could be saying that, I suppose, but it's just... such poor structure.   They way I'm reading it is 'it's' is referring to the actual statement. "An odd thing for me to say, seeing as both of the remaining LI's being race-gated is untrue." Much nicer.

 

But I could be wrong!

 

Yeah, I read it this way as well.  It's awkward wording, but I think it's clear to me that at least one of the remaining LI's is not race-gated.

 

I feel pretty strongly that Blackwall isn't a LI, so the final two will come from Solas, Varric, and Vivienne. GDL's tweets are very winkwinknudgenudge, so I feel reasonably confident predicting him. Varric vs. Vivienne is harder for me, but I'm going with the one who doesn't have an unresolved relationship as a core part of their character.

 

I'm not willing to completely rule out Blackwall at this point, but we know so little about him that it's hard to speculate in any direction about it. 

 

I don't think that Varric having unresolved issues with Bianca would make him less likely to be an LI.  Considering that Carth Syndrome is so often used that it's become it's own trope, I could easily see his romance and personal quest lines being around either finding alive Bianca and moving on from her or finding out that Bianca is in fact not alive anymore and moving on from her memory.  Now, that being said, it's not that I'm saying that I want another Carth Syndrome LI, because that's a little annoying at this point.  I'm just saying that it could just as easily lead me to think that he IS an LI.

[Vapaa]

 

*goes back to lurking*

 

That's in no way "confirmation" of anything.

[daveliam]

That's in no way "confirmation" of anything.

 

It's saying that it's untrue that the remaining two LI's "are the race gated ones".  It could imply that neither of them are race-gated, but his follow up tweet suggests that this isn't true either.  Or it could imply that only one of them is race-gated and one of the other romances that we already know about is also.  Since we know that Josephine and Iron Bull are not, that means that at least one of Cullen, Cassandra, Dorian, or Sera is race-gated.

[Maria Caliban]

*I thought that exchange was interesting and appreciated the reminder that homophobia's still a thing among Fereldans, at least. Also, remember purple Hawke making a joke about ****** Fenris with his big **** after a sex scene? smh @ fenris living up to that stereotype & being unable to role-play a poorly endowed Hawke

Snarky Hawke probably thinks he's more impressive than he really is.

All elven, and flight attendant, companions should be bisexual until such a time as I, Cat Fancy, am not interested in one.

That's an excellent rule of thumb.