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[Nocte ad Mortem]

I imagine the aggressive Hawke is the poorly endowed one.  

[CuriousArtemis]

I feel like focusing on DG's tweet and trying to dissect it is doing exactly what he wishes we wouldn't do...

[Samahl]

I'm still not really concerned by the prospect of all queer elves, all the time. If Gamlen* (or a player) is racist and homophobic, that's on them, not a queer elf for existing in their presence. I'm sure others disagree (because they are saying that in this very thread), but I don't desire queer-seeming characters who are surprisingly straight nearly as much as actual queer characters. When that effeminate flight attendant in Snakes on a Plane (god remember that) was revealed to be straight, I was not pleased with how progressive the filmmakers were being. I wasn't offended either, but whatever.

 

It's less that I have a problem with all elves being queer, and more that it's always queer effeminate elf + straight masculine human. You'll certainly never hear me arguing for taking away queer options, just that the inclusion of such shouldn't map to stereotypes in a way that limits diversity.

[CuriousArtemis]

It's less that I have a problem with all elves being queer, and more that it's always queer effeminate elf + straight masculine human. You'll certainly never hear me arguing for taking away queer options, just that the inclusion of such shouldn't map to stereotypes in a way that limits diversity.

 

Neither Fenris nor Zevran has been effeminate... also I romanced Zevran with elves who were definitely cuter and prettier than him.... not humans.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't see the elven men we've had as effeminate at all, personally, but it hasn't only been male elves that were a part of the trope as people are accepting it. It's also Merrill and Sera. To be honest, I don't believe we've ever had an effeminate male LI, period. We've also never had a lesbian LI that was masculine/butch. Cassandra toes the line and she was made straight.  

[Samahl]

Neither Fenris nor Zevran has been effeminate... also I romanced Zevran with elves who were definitely cuter and prettier than him.... not humans.

 

I say "effeminate" because of how Thedosians seem to regard elves as a whole, not specific elven companions. Sorry that was unclear.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It's less that I have a problem with all elves being queer, and more that it's always queer effeminate elf + straight masculine human. You'll certainly never hear me arguing for taking away queer options, just that the inclusion of such shouldn't map to stereotypes in a way that limits diversity.

I don't think this is what's actually happening, though. I don't really believe that the issue is that elves are made LGB because they're supposedly "effeminate". I don't believe Bioware has applied those stereotypes at all, especially when you consider the stereotype is the opposite for women and yet they still have no straight elven women. I think it's just this specific personality type (the noble do-gooder) that they have a hard time seeing as not straight. It's not that they're masculine, because they made Iron Bull pansexual and he's by far the most masculine character we've had. They didn't have a problem making Anders bisexual and he wasn't particularly effeminate, and was human. Leliana and Isabela were bisexual humans, so it's not like it's just elves slotting into the LGB demographic. I think the issues are just unrelated. It's not about elves being effeminate, or them not being able to see masculine male characters as not straight. Iron Bull proves they have no problem making base masculine male characters not straight. It's just something about the specific personality type we see with Alistair/Sebastian/Cullen/Cassandra and even Aveline who seemed almost surely straight. They could make elves straight, but I don't think it would actually address the problem that causes these other romance types to be locked out from the LGB community. In fact, I wouldn't even be surprised if the first straight elf didn't end up being the first noble do-gooder elf, at this rate. 

[Samahl]

I suppose my definition of masculinity in this context more resembles "uprightness" than anything else. I apologize for any confusion caused by my terms being unclear.

 

even Aveline who seemed almost surely straight.

 

She can kiss a female Hawke at the end of the Donnic quest, and there's talk of why nothing happened between the two of them. Aveline is some flavor of multisexual, by my reckoning.

[Chron0id]

I'm going to grab some popcorn and mountain dew and immediately binge on this site if both the remaining romances turn out to be straight.  The fun times will never end. 

 

Let's welcome....chaos!

[cowoline]

no, I mean maybe he just want to tease his nephew because he thinks Hawk would refer the mocking words to himself. It would explain why he says the same line in both relationships.

It's just Gamlen being an ass because he can. Nothing more or less, so i think not reading too much into it is a good option.

 

I prefer the female version though. Gamlen " I heard you moved that apostate boy in to your house. You definitely are Leandra's daughter"

[daveliam]

I think that these are different concepts.  The "noble do-gooder" never being gay or bisexual is not related, to me, to the fact that 4 out of 4 elven LI's have been bisexual or gay.  However, I can understand why a player might want to see a straight elf LI.  Similar to how I would like to see a gay "noble do-gooder" LI.  It's about offering a variety in the representation.  That being said, I have no personal interest in seeing a straight elf (outside of just having more variety) as I don't do straight romances in the game.  I have, however, seen multiple players ask for this in the past, so clearly some people find it important and it's not really my place to tell them otherwise.  I have things that I like to see in the game and those might not be important to other players, so it's only fair that it happens vice versa.  It wouldn't hurt me any if there was a straight elf in a game, so I don't see why it would be a big deal.  Especially if they are going to continue offering a variety in the sexualities of the LI's.  I'd prefer, frankly, for the all bisexual approach, personally, but it seems like Bioware is interested in going in this direction instead.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm not against them having a straight elf, generally. If Cullen had been bisexual and Solas was straight, I would have seen that as totally fine. I just don't think adding a straight elf in a way that shorts gay men without adding anything helps or is any sort of positive thing. It's maybe more variety for straight people, but I feel as though they've done pretty well for variety without shorting gay men to prove elves can be straight, too. I feel it should be a trade off.  

[daveliam]

I'm not against them having a straight elf, generally. If Cullen had been bisexual and Solas was straight, I would have seen that as totally fine. I just don't think adding a straight elf in a way that shorts gay men without adding anything helps or is any sort of positive thing. It's maybe more variety for straight people, but I feel as though they've done pretty well for variety without shorting gay men to prove elves can be straight, too. I feel it should be a trade off.  

 

Ah, that makes more sense.  Your other posts (and those of another poster or two) seemed to be mocking people who wanted to see straight elves in the game or downplaying the importance of their request and it seemed odd to me, given your other stances.

 

Yeah, I don't want to see any group get less options, but I'm bracing that it is still a possibility.  It will remain a possibility until they confirm Solas and identify who the other LI is. 

[Maria Caliban]

I feel like focusing on DG's tweet and trying to dissect it is doing exactly what he wishes we wouldn't do...

He's tough. He can handle it.

[Chron0id]

He's tough. He can handle it.

He's the hero BioWare deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Well that makes more sense.  Your other posts (and those of another poster or two) seemed to be mocking people who wanted to see straight elves in the game and it seemed odd to me, given your other stances.

 

Yeah, I don't want to see any group get less options, but I'm bracing that it is still a possibility.  It will remain a possibility until they confirm Solas and identify who the other LI is. 

Well, like I said before, I'm only overly concerned with people having access to types of romances. If the complaint was that all the elves were actually gay, then I would understand more so where people were coming from. I don't tend to sympathize as much with people wanting romances exclusive to them and I don't see that as overly important to prioritize. I'm not against an elf being made straight in any way, assuming it doesn't detract from how many options others get, but I also don't think it's important for the writers to focus on making happen, since everyone has had pretty viable access to elven romances. I do totally understand the "noble do-gooder" complaints, since that does actually result in people being totally locked out of a romance type, and if the trade off is for an elf, then I wouldn't see it as a problem. 

[CuriousArtemis]

I do totally understand the "noble do-gooder" complaints, since that does actually result in people being totally locked out of a romance type, and if the trade off is for an elf, then I wouldn't see it as a problem. 

 

It actually is pretty disappointing that all of the options for my male characters thus far have been "damaged" guys, guys who need my help, or the sort of rebel/rogue types. I'd like one shot at a noble, knightly guy who's the backbone of the relationship instead of the other way around... guess that's partly why I'm (fruitlessly now) hoping for Blackwall as the final LI. I think he would fit the "noble do-gooder" stereotype, and it would be awesome if he were gay or bi.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It actually is pretty disappointing that all of the options for my male characters thus far have been "damaged" guys, guys who need my help, or the sort of rebel/rogue types. I'd like one shot at a noble, knightly guy who's the backbone of the relationship instead of the other way around... guess that's partly why I'm (fruitlessly now) hoping for Blackwall as the final LI. I think he would fit the "noble do-gooder" stereotype, and it would be awesome if he were gay or bi.

I think it would be nice if they avoided the trope in the future, but I'm not sure I'd say Alistair or Sebastian were the backbone of anything. Neither of them were very assertive or effective at making their own decisions. lol 

 

I think our noble do-gooders have their own sets of flaws and drawbacks. I do think they should shake up the pattern for variety's sake, though. 

[CuriousArtemis]

I think it would be nice if they avoided the trope in the future, but I'm not sure I'd say Alistair or Sebastian were the backbone of anything. Neither of them were very assertive or effective at making their own decisions. lol 

 

Hmm that's a good point, especially with Alistair. This is probably just me still boohoo-ing over Cullen

[teenparty]

We have two unannounced romances left. Since it was said that the romance would be within your companions/advisors, there are four possible leads onto who this romance will be.

 

Confirmed Companion Romances:

Cassandra (males only)

Iron Bull (males and females, any race)

Dorian (males only)

Sera (females only)

 

Confirmed Advisor Romances:

Cullen (females only)

Josephine (males and females, any race)

 

Confirmed Un-Romanceable:

Cole (companion)

Leliana (advisor)

 

That leaves Vivienne, Blackwall, Solas and Varric left. That said, rank the combination of the remaining 2 romances from highest (most favorable to you) to lowest (least favorable):

 

Mine:

 

Most Favorable- Vivienne/Solas

Vivienne/Varric

Vivienne/Blackwall

Solas/Varric

Solas/Blackwall

Least Favorable- Varric/Blackwall

This is a weirdly complicated system.

 

Ont topic: I want and expect Vivienne to be romanceable.

[WildOrchid]

She can kiss a female Hawke at the end of the Donnic quest, and there's talk of why nothing happened between the two of them. Aveline is some flavor of multisexual, by my reckoning.

 

Yeah, there's nothing that tells me she's straight since she can kiss fHawke and say the "what if" the same as dudehawke. It's just that Aveline, sadly, is one of those boring, overused tropes of everyone being hetero by "default" if not romanced.

[Rowe]

Hmmm... I expect it will probably be Vivienne and Solas that are the remaining two romance options. Probably bisexual.

 

What I would rather is Blackwall! He would be a more unique choice and I think he could end up being really interesting with all he's experienced. That being said, if he is available I hope he's bi 

 

Varric made such a good friend for Hawke, I wouldn't have wanted any romance there, but it will be interesting to see his interactions with the new main character. 

 

My preference would be for Blackwall/Varric, but sadly that's not what I'm expecting 

[TheTurtle]

I'm thinking one of the gates romances might be Sera because they are really pushing the "she hates nobles" angle. At the same time i think Vivienne is race gated, but two females being race gated seems a bit odd. If I had to pick a male option to be gated it would definitely be Cullen.

[MCG]

I think that these are different concepts.  The "noble do-gooder" never being gay or bisexual is not related, to me, to the fact that 4 out of 4 elven LI's have been bisexual or gay.  However, I can understand why a player might want to see a straight elf LI.  Similar to how I would like to see a gay "noble do-gooder" LI.  It's about offering a variety in the representation.  That being said, I have no personal interest in seeing a straight elf (outside of just having more variety) as I don't do straight romances in the game.  I have, however, seen multiple players ask for this in the past, so clearly some people find it important and it's not really my place to tell them otherwise.  I have things that I like to see in the game and those might not be important to other players, so it's only fair that it happens vice versa.  It wouldn't hurt me any if there was a straight elf in a game, so I don't see why it would be a big deal.  Especially if they are going to continue offering a variety in the sexualities of the LI's.  I'd prefer, frankly, for the all bisexual approach, personally, but it seems like Bioware is interested in going in this direction instead.

I'm not heterosexual myself, and I don't know if you are either but isn't having literally every player-character you do the story with homosexual a bit much. That means Thedas is constantly being saved by gay characters which is, unrealistic

[Ynqve]

I'm not heterosexual myself, and I don't know if you are either but isn't having literally every player-character you do the story with homosexual a bit much. That means Thedas is constantly being saved by gay characters which is, unrealistic

 

Because (in my case) Thedas being saved by snarky female mages with a preference for blonde dudes is so much more realistic? Everyone have their preferences for how  they enjoy playing the game.