I remain disappointed in this.
Yeah I had whole gallons a day. But really I did that to myself. I could've asked someone for food but I was too damn prideful. But yeah dizzy spells were so fun. Really? Gross.
So apparently Sten didn't even hit that stage. I wonder how long it would take a Qunari to hit it...
Well, he was probably in the early stages of starvation, where his layered fat was being devoured, and he did say that he expected he would die within a couple of weeks time. So I would hazard a guess that Qunari dies within 6-8 weeks without food or water on average.
Well, he was probably in the early stages of starvation, where his layered fat was being devoured, and he did say that he expected he would die within a couple of weeks time. So I would hazard a guess that Qunari dies within 6-8 weeks without food or water on average.
Sounds really useful.
Now I half want a dungeon scene with QunIzzy.
In a race where most are horned, the one without horns would seem more spectacular than anyone with horns. To humans that might sound strange, because we don't have horns. But imagine if we had a genetic quirk that made 1 in 1000 be born with what would grow to become horns. It is the exact same, but reversed for the Qunari.
I don't think this is like humans randomly growing horns. Are humans without hair/pigmentation/limbs considered spectacular and terrifying in most human societies? Their treatment differs, but it's usually poor. Face it, the Qunari are weird and the living worst. Nothing against the kossith, of course, just the culture and religion of which most are members.
If it helps you they're probably slightly worse at it than your average Theodosian considering their limited experience.
Not that that would have much to do with physiology. But I wonder if they try to go for pleasure in sex or if they have a "close your eyes and think of England" stance.
I don't think this is like humans randomly growing horns. Are humans without hair/pigmentation/limbs considered spectacular and terrifying in most human societies? Their treatment differs, but it's usually poor. Face it, the Qunari are weird and the living worst. Nothing against the kossith, of course, just the culture and religion of which most are members.
Huh? Nothing you just said made ANY sense....
A race which usually grow horns would NOT find them intimidating.
A race which usually DON'T grow horns would find them intimidating.
A race which usually grow horns would find the lack of horns disturbing
A race which usually don't grow horns would not find the lack of horns disturbing.
See how it works?
And no, the Qunari society is not the worst.
This isn't a thread about Qunari. It's about the species. There's no reason to think the PC would have limited sexual experience, but they probably still have horns, can go days without food, and lack dreams.
Huh? Nothing you just said made ANY sense....
A race which usually grow horns would NOT find them intimidating.
A race which usually DON'T grow horns would find them intimidating.
A race which usually grow horns would find the lack of horns disturbing
A race which usually don't grow horns would not find the lack of horns disturbing.
See how it works?
You said a hornless kossith would be like a human with a rare genetic quirk that made them grow horns. I don't think it would like that; I think it would be like a human with a rare genetic quirk that made them not grow something. Most humans with rare congenital conditions or strange appearances aren't considered spectacular or intimidating. Humans have muscles. Most humans would find someone with larger muscles and more muscle definition more intimidating than someone with no muscle definition, or perhaps no muscles at all. A starving human looks disturbing, but not intimidating.
I would expect a race with horned members to find bigger horns more intimidating than small or no horns.The designers in Dragon Age 2 gave the Arishok the biggest, baddest horns for the same reason they gave him the biggest muscles - because we, as humans, would find him even more badass and imposing that way. Enormous horns on humanoids look more intimidating than small or no horns to a human, and I wouldn't expect a kossith society/the Qunari to work any differently.
But they do; they have this bit of counterintuitive lore attached to them which I find mildly annoying. Bioware can make their fantasy race/culture work however they want, of course. I can (and do) find some aspects of how they work annoying. If I didn't know better, I wouldn't think Saarebas (Saarebases? Saarebasi?) were hornless because that was a warning, but because hornlessness would be humiliating and a mutilation. Like having your lips removed (or sewn shut, as it were). The Qunari gotta do what they gotta do; I just think they sound like dorks. Counterintuitive dorks.
And no, the Qunari society is not the worst.
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The lips sewn shut thing does make one wonder how they eat. I never thought of that. I guess maybe mages of the Qun are on a liquid diet. You could probably get a straw between those stitches. 
Do kossith have the proportional strength of a chimpanzee? Does that author know what he's talking about? I didn't read the article and I don't know anything about anything.
The lips sewn shut thing does make one wonder how they eat. I never thought of that. I guess maybe mages of the Qun are on a liquid diet. You could probably get a straw between those stitches.
They have advanced technology; perhaps they've already developed intravenous feeding. If not, do you suppose Saarebas teeth are gross AF? Maybe they have a solution to this, too. Dental health among all the other races improved rapidly between Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2. (thank the M*ker) I can't imagine the fearsome Qunari are less advanced.
Do the qunari lack dreams or do they just dream differently? They could have "normal" dreams, as in they don't go to the Fade.
I'm curious how resistant to disease and corruption the qunari are. They can create a poison that makes enemies go mad, but not themselves? A qunari can trade with darkspawn and be around them a lot and not get infected by the taint (Awakening)?
How well off are Vashoth qunari compared to Qunari qunari it terms of these advantages of living without food for a long time and resistance to poison? Is it just because Sten was trained as a warrior and could do this kind of stuff while a Qunari trained just for teaching would not do so well with starving?
I think the special view the Qunari have towards hornless Qunari may be because they are seen as less animalish/beastish. The horns are very dragon like, and the Qunari probably have a negative view towards such things, and so a Qunari born without horns may be seen as a further separation from their barbarian heritage, and so it is a good sign.
As for the previous Arishok, Qunari probably understand that big horns can scare bas, and so it can be seen as a bonus trait when dealing with them, and the military makes first contact with all bas. The current Arishok is without horns, so horns don't seem to play a factor at all in how they view what role best fits a qunari.
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Would be nice to have shaved/broken horns as a Vashoth. Trying to fit in more with a community that is mostly not qunari. Hurray for RP.
I remain disappointed in this.
Sadly, iron pry bars remain in the optional category, even with Qunari.
I would imagine that their biological lifespan would be roughly on par with that of a human. But due to their advancements in medicine and sanitation (?), they live longer, healthy lives than other races in Thedas.
Two things.
1. Qunari have to dream if they have mages right? Dwarves don't dream and that means they are cut off from the fade and magic. But the Qunari have mages which means they visit the fade, the land of dreams.
2.
You said a hornless kossith would be like a human with a rare genetic quirk that made them grow horns. I don't think it would like that; I think it would be like a human with a rare genetic quirk that made them not grow something. Most humans with rare congenital conditions or strange appearances aren't considered spectacular or intimidating. Humans have muscles. Most humans would find someone with larger muscles and more muscle definition more intimidating than someone with no muscle definition, or perhaps no muscles at all. A starving human looks disturbing, but not intimidating.
I would expect a race with horned members to find bigger horns more intimidating than small or no horns.The designers in Dragon Age 2 gave the Arishok the biggest, baddest horns for the same reason they gave him the biggest muscles - because we, as humans, would find him even more badass and imposing that way. Enormous horns on humanoids look more intimidating than small or no horns to a human, and I wouldn't expect a kossith society/the Qunari to work any differently.
I think that the reason's hornless Qunari are respected is because of what their job's are, not what they look like. Yes, the past before the Qun they may have been looked down on but now they have a very important role in society and that demands respect from the masses and if they don't give it then they will be killed for ignoring the will of the Qun. The hornless Qunari are as stated, the least intimidating of the Qunari and this is what makes them special. They are able to move about Thades with relative ease because when the Humans and Elves think of Qunari armies invading them they think of giant horned monsters, not slightly larger pointed ears humanoids. This is why Sten and his fellows were sent to find out about the blight and why all other Tal-Vashoth encountered in DA:O, the south end of Theades, were of the hornless type. So they are the vanguard of the Qunari people and serve the role of some special forces and thus likely receive the best training possible considering they are expected to operate in small groups in hostile territory away from any form of support.
I think Saarebas being as big and healthy looking as other qunari in DA2 has more to do with Bioware not wanting to make a wholly different body model for them. All the qunari in DA2 had identical bodies and just different trappings.
You don't have to dream in the Fade to have mages.
The ghast are seen as just animals and they have mages, whether they dream or not is questionable.
The darkspawn don't dream, they have mages, although they use the taint/blight and not the Fade.
One just needs a connection to the Fade, but that doesn't mean they have to dream in the Fade, their brain or spirit or being or whatever could be set up differently to not go to the Fade while sleeping. Maybe they can meditate and enter the Fade like Circle mages if they want, but doesn't mean they go to the Fade unwillingly when they sleep.
I could be wrong, but I don't remember/recall/know of any codex, lore, or in game dialogue about having to dream in the Fade in order to be a mage.
Qunari does not seem to have reflections in the Fade, since they are only extremely rarely encountered there, and when they are it might aswell just be Spirits impersonating the dreamer's idea of Qunari.
Most humans with rare congenital conditions or strange appearances aren't considered spectacular or intimidating.
Um I don't think this is actually true. I mean the whole point of a Freak Shows was to make a spectacle of people and things that look unusual, especially physically unusual humans. People with conditions like that can also be considered scary, some are easily scared by those who look different.
Most humans would find someone with larger muscles and more muscle definition more intimidating than someone with no muscle definition
Because having more muscles generally means you are stronger and larger.
Anyway, whether or not they would find hornlessness itself scary doesn't really matter. It's more that they find it special and so most hornless Qunari are Ben-Hassrath or other important roles. Ben-Hassrath are considered scary and intimidating to the Qunari and I can imagine important Qunari might be too.
So they could find both hornlessness and big bad-ass horns scary and intimidating at the same time for all we know.
Um I don't think this is actually true. I mean the whole point of a Freak Shows was to make a spectacle of people and things that look unusual, especially physically unusual humans. People with conditions like that can also be considered scary, some are easily scared by those who look different.
I'm aware that people with unusual appearances are often considered scary, disturbing, and sometimes disgusting. Some tal-vashoth cut off their horns to seem more intimidating. Renegade humans don't try to make themselves look like someone with EV to seem more intimidating. People who would be a part of freak shows typically haven't been given positions of prestige in human societies. Hornlessness is not supposed to be like some kind of congenital disorder, apparently. (why not?) (because the Qunari are totally not what you think)
Because having more muscles generally means you are stronger and larger.
Anyway, whether or not they would find hornlessness itself scary doesn't really matter. It's more that they find it special and so most hornless Qunari are Ben-Hassrath or other important roles. Ben-Hassrath are considered scary and intimidating to the Qunari and I can imagine important Qunari might be too.
Sure, the most high-status Qunari we've seen had enormous horns, but I wouldn't read anything into it. Those horns probably mean nothing to the Qunari. They're full of surprises.
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Back to the topic of kossith biology:
Shale and Sten joked about humans being related to monkeys in a banter. Are kossith not mammals? How radically different is their physiology from that of a human? Are they actually quite distantly related to humans, but just look like humans because of convergent evolution or something? Shale used to be a dwarf, do you think dwarves are more closely related to humans or kossith? Shale is now a sentient rock statue, do you think humans are related to magical sent rock-creatures in fantasy universes? If not, why not?
*well, there are just a couple of annoying things. but they're all I can focus on atm
I would expect them to be like DA2:
Their nails are different from those of other humanoids in Thedas/primates in reality. They got claws! Or maybe it's just fashionable to maintain their fingernails like that.
Look at this picture someone posted in the other kossith thread:Their nails are different from those of other humanoids in Thedas/primates in reality. They got claws! Or maybe it's just fashionable to maintain their fingernails like that.
They look like claws to me.
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