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This isn't a thread about Qunari. It's about the species. There's no reason to think the PC would have limited sexual experience, but they probably still have horns, can go days without food, and lack dreams.

 

I never really bought the not dreaming thing.  Only mages ever remember that they end up in the fade when they sleep, and the Qunari mages can't really talk / are punished if they talk, so how would they tell anyone about their trips to the fade?  Talking about it is considered "reprehensible", just makes me think it is another qunari "we are different because reasons" thing.  Dwarves don't enter the fade naturally because it was bred out of them after centuries of lyrium exposure.



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I never really bought the not dreaming thing.  Only mages ever remember that they end up in the fade when they sleep, and the Qunari mages can't really talk / are punished if they talk, so how would they tell anyone about their trips to the fade?  Talking about it is considered "reprehensible", just makes me think it is another qunari "we are different because reasons" thing.  Dwarves don't enter the fade naturally because it was bred out of them after centuries of lyrium exposure.

 

It completely contradicts the lore. The connection with the Fade is the only way to be a mage. The qunari are lying through their teeth about it. 


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Can qunari even feel their horns? If they broke/cut them off them wouldn't it hurt? (a lot) 



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Can qunari even feel their horns? If they broke/cut them off them wouldn't it hurt? (a lot) 

 

No.



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Can qunari even feel their horns? If they broke/cut them off them wouldn't it hurt? (a lot) 

 

My understanding is that the horns are bone, so, yes. It's like breaking your arm. Bone is actually tissue, not mineral. 



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No, they can't feel them and don't feel pain when they're removed.



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Clearly, that was an easy question.

 

Do you suppose the kossith have problems with hangnails? Or should I say hangclaws?



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No.

No, they can't feel them and don't feel pain when they're removed.

 

Was this confirmed by a dev, or is it fan speculation?



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Mary Kirby says there are no nerve endings in their horns here and that they don't care much if they lose (part of to a whole) horn. Perhaps horn removal can still be unpleasant for them, I dunno. They're a mysterious, awful people.



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So I guess that means the inquisitor can break their horn off with out even noticing.



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So I guess that means the inquisitor can break their horn off with out even noticing.

 

 

Assuming it follows real world physiology (which makes sense because most horns: like goat horns, have no nerve endings (it would be counter productive to have a posturing structure used for sparring with others of the same species to feel pain)) it would only hurt if you ripped the horn out, as this would involve the living tissue at the base of the horn. I'd also think they would notice their head suddenly felt lopsided.

 

Edit 2: pretty sure ripping a horn would also damage the skull, so could be fatal.

 

Edit 1: I'm wondering if all these physiological differences in kossith (slower metabolism, ability to go long periods of time with out food, immunity to some toxins others are vulnerable) could be explained if kossith are some sort of pseudo mammal that is actually more similar to reptiles. Which is strange considering female kossith have bosoms and male kossith have pert little nipples. But there is that dragon rumor so....



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Assuming it follows real world physiology (which makes sense because most horns: like goat horns, have no nerve endings (it would be counter productive to have a posturing structure used for sparring with others of the same species to feel pain)) it would only hurt if you ripped the horn out, as this would involve the living tissue at the base of the horn. I'd also think they would notice their head suddenly felt lopsided.

Can you imagine if Iron bull lost a horn? he would probably be so unbalanced lol. 



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I'm wondering if all these physiological differences in kossith (slower metabolism, ability to go long periods of time with out food, immunity to some toxins others are vulnerable) could be explained if kossith are some sort of pseudo mammal that is actually more similar to reptiles. Which is strange considering female kossith have bosoms and male kossith have pert little nipples. But there is that dragon rumor so....

Well, I think some "mammal-like reptiles" did have nipples, so it is possible. I think echidnas do too (they're primitive as far as mammals go, laying eggs and whatnot), but they might actually sweat milk like platypuses; I don't feel like looking it up. Then again, that sort of classification is based on the millions upon millions of years of evolution that took place during Earth's history. We haven't had much indication that the same thing happened in the DA universe.

 

I think the whole "qunari are related to dragons" thing was actually referring to Alistair.



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Well, I think some "mammal-like reptiles" did have nipples, so it is possible. I think echidnas do too (they're primitive as far as mammals go, laying eggs and whatnot), but they might actually sweat milk like platypuses; I don't feel like looking it up. Then again, that sort of classification is based on the millions upon millions of years of evolution that took place during Earth's history. We haven't had much indication that the same thing happened in the DA universe.

I think the whole "qunari are related to dragons" thing was actually referring to Alistair.


Their horns however do have a striking resemblance to Flemmeth's hair horns...omg she is the Mother of Dragon Qunari!
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If you consume water you can live for a greatly extended period of time. So it definitely made it better. Any fat tissue you may have had stored would probably have been broken down within the first 24 hours of your starvation period (the moment when you have ZERO food in your stomach), after that your body begins to break itself down to keep vital organs functioning. If you consumed water it would slow down the process dramatically. It is however still highly dangerous to starve oneself, since you don't actually die from the lack of food itself (usually), but rather the amalgram of diseases you contract as a result of the lack of food.

 

*snerk*.  It's rare to starve to death--even on a total lack of nutrition--in anything less than a month.  Extreme cases can last more than two:

"Generally, it appears as though humans can survive without any food for 30-40 days, as long as they are properly hydrated. Severe symptoms of starvation begin around 35-40 days, and as highlighted by the hunger strikers of the Maze Prison in Belfast in the 1980s, death can occur at around  45­ to 61 days."

It is actually possible to starve to death without ever completely using up your adipose tissue.  Obese mice do this--they are so hormonally geared to store fat that they will completely cannibalize their organs before decreasing their adipose tissue.  No living human being has so little body fat as to be able to consume all of it in a 24 hour period--a pound of fat is worth about 3500 calories, more than you use in a day when resting.  Even a VERY lean person (<5% body fat) is probably carrying upwards of 20 lbs. of pure fat on their bodies.

 

Maintaining muscle tone under those circumstances is pretty incredible, though, particularly for an adult male.  Muscle uses up an enormous amount of calories in self-maintenance and requires a pretty much constant input of protein.  Your body NEEDS protein and when it's not getting it from food, it starts pulling it out of those metabolically expensive muscles.  Adult human males are protein furnaces.  If you ever watch a show like Naked and Afraid where the contestants do regularly go up to 3 weeks without food, the men start out strong but after a few days of deprivation they aren't good for much.  The women usually feel the poor conditions worst at the beginning and finish out strong--the first solo finisher was a woman.  We generally have more body fat and less muscle mass to maintain so we starve better than men do.

So, from that perspective, Sten's ability to go from 3+ weeks of starvation to violent activity was pretty noteworthy.  It's possible Qunari have more efficient protein usage than humans do (a good possibility considering their extra size and muscle mass).  Or he may be able to enter a hibernation state that slows the metabolism dramatically (a lot of critters can do this).  Or he may have a sugar-synthesizing pigment in his skin that, like chlorophyll, can effectively turn sunlight into energy.  Or he may just be so overly fit in his natural state that 3+ weeks of starvation still won't reduce him below the human capability threshhold.  Or he was exaggerating because he didn't give a crap whether he got killed or not.
 


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My understanding is that the horns are bone, so, yes. It's like breaking your arm. Bone is actually tissue, not mineral. 

 

Er, it's kind of both.  The hard part of bone is a bunch of cells called osteocytes encased in a mineral framework that they secrete.  Osteocytes are somewhat unique because they are the only cells in the body that can survive without access to the circulatory system.  They do not divide and can live as long as you do.



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They look like claws to me. 

 

The DA2 Qunari also looked to have sharp pointed teeth, too.  And we didn't see one with facial hair until the Mark of the Assassin trailer.  They appear to have different varieties of horns, too--the Qunari in MotA with unique models had a couple of not-previously-seen horn types.



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It completely contradicts the lore. The connection with the Fade is the only way to be a mage. The qunari are lying through their teeth about it.


Darkspawn mages aren't connected to the Fade.

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Darkspawn mages aren't connected to the Fade.

Yes,but they have their own form of magic that non-Darkspawn cant use.

Qunari have the same kind of magic everyone else does.



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Darkspawn mages aren't connected to the Fade.

 

Darkspawn mages cast from the taint. Their magic is different. 


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It completely contradicts the lore. The connection with the Fade is the only way to be a mage. The qunari are lying through their teeth about it. 

 

If what Solas think about the Fade is right , it's shaped by people culture , fear and expectations , it's possible the Qunari have a difference experience when dreaming.

But yeah they probably go to the Fade too anyway.



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Look at kossith hands:

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Now ogre hands:

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Do ogres trim their fingernails, or are they just spawned that way?

 

Would Qunari find a hornless ogre particularly intimidating? but of course


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If what Solas think about the Fade is right , it's shaped by people culture , fear and expectations , it's possible the Qunari have a difference experience when dreaming.

But yeah they probably go to the Fade too anyway.

That sounded to me more like the structure and appearance of the Fade varies by belief, etc., not that the rules of magic are different. 



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You said a hornless kossith would be like a human with a rare genetic quirk that made them grow horns. I don't think it would like that; I think it would be like a human with a rare genetic quirk that made them not grow something. Most humans with rare congenital conditions or strange appearances aren't considered spectacular or intimidating. Humans have muscles. Most humans would find someone with larger muscles and more muscle definition more intimidating than someone with no muscle definition, or perhaps no muscles at all. A starving human looks disturbing, but not intimidating.

I would expect a race with horned members to find bigger horns more intimidating than small or no horns.The designers in Dragon Age 2 gave the Arishok the biggest, baddest horns for the same reason they gave him the biggest muscles - because we, as humans, would find him even more badass and imposing that way. Enormous horns on humanoids look more intimidating than small or no horns to a human, and I wouldn't expect a kossith society/the Qunari to work any differently.

But they do; they have this bit of counterintuitive lore attached to them which I find mildly annoying. Bioware can make their fantasy race/culture work however they want, of course. I can (and do) find some aspects of how they work annoying. If I didn't know better, I wouldn't think Saarebas (Saarebases? Saarebasi?) were hornless because that was a warning, but because hornlessness would be humiliating and a mutilation. Like having your lips removed (or sewn shut, as it were). The Qunari gotta do what they gotta do; I just think they sound like dorks. Counterintuitive dorks.


Most of what I read of this post (I skimmed it) is true. However, I don't think that you can compare Qunari society and how Qunari would react to something to human society and their reactions toward things. The two races are very different.
And I say "most of" because there are some genetic anomalies in humans that people find intimidating or blatantly disturbing. Elephantitis. Lewandowsky-Lutz dysplasia. Take your pick.

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Darkspawn mages cast from the taint. Their magic is different. 

 

That sounds really, really wrong.


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