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[bunch1]

I just had a thought.  Everyone is using Sten's weeks of isolation in the cage to make judgments on the main line of Qunari but he isn't.  He is a smaller hornless subset of the species.  Is it possible that to make up for being smaller and weaker that hornless Qunar evolved to go weeks without food while the large horned alpha predators need food and water as much as a regular human or even more so?

[Former_Fiend]

Look at kossith hands:

 

 

 

 

 

Now ogre hands:

 

 

 

 

Do ogres trim their fingernails, or are they just spawned that way?

 

Would Qunari find a hornless ogre particularly intimidating? but of course

 

Look at a dwarf and look at a DA2 genlock and tell me if you see any similarities. 

[Former_Fiend]

I just had a thought.  Everyone is using Sten's weeks of isolation in the cage to make judgments on the main line of Qunari but he isn't.  He is a smaller hornless subset of the species.  Is it possible that to make up for being smaller and weaker that hornless Qunar evolved to go weeks without food while the large horned alpha predators need food and water as much as a regular human or even more so?

 

As far as I'm aware, the only difference between Sten and a regular qunari is a lack of horns. While their models are different due to vastly different art styles between games and technical limitations in Origins, I haven't seen anything to suggest Sten is significantly smaller than what's usual for qunari, nor anything to suggest he's at all weaker than a horned qunari.

[Daerog]

Sten is the Arishok. No way he is weaker. If he was weaker, he wouldn't be made head of the military in a society that seeks individuals who are capable to fill such roles and not based on seniority or merit.

[Former_Fiend]

Sten is the Arishok. No way he is weaker. If he was weaker, he wouldn't be made head of the military in a society that seeks individuals who are capable to fill such roles and not based on seniority or merit.

 

Well, I'm sure their are qunari who could bench press more than any given arishok. There's more to that role than physical strength; skill in combat and battle field command factor into it, as well.

[bunch1]

As far as I'm aware, the only difference between Sten and a regular qunari is a lack of horns. While their models are different due to vastly different art styles between games and technical limitations in Origins, I haven't seen anything to suggest Sten is significantly smaller than what's usual for qunari, nor anything to suggest he's at all weaker than a horned qunari.

The games are the primary source of cannon and all the hornless qunari, not just sten but the qunari mercenaries and his dead companions, were all smaller then the horned soldiers in DA 2.  It may not seem like much to us, but cheetahs, lions, and cougars are not that different in size or biology but that still leaves huge differences in there abilities so I wounder if we should be using his feats as a guide to the main line qunari.  

 

 

Sten is the Arishok. No way he is weaker. If he was weaker, he wouldn't be made head of the military in a society that seeks individuals who are capable to fill such roles and not based on seniority or merit.

Generals are often old while soldiers are young and strong.  Their jobs are different and they have different requirements so the fact that sten is weaker then most qunari wouldn't mean anything since if he has the experience to lead effectively, which he has having studied under the Warden, then he would be the best choice to lead and all others would obey without question because to question the qun is to die.

[Cat Fancy]

Look at a dwarf and look at a DA2 genlock and tell me if you see any similarities. 

Thank you for your suggestion.

 

Dragon Age 2 dwarves:

 

Dragon Age 2 genlocks:

 

An actual orangutan:

 

Dwarves and genlocks are both stocky humanoids with spectacular jaws and no claws. Actually, Varric is always wearing gloves, so perhaps some Thedosian dwarves do have claws. I wouldn't speculate as to whether claws are considered frightening or embarrassing in dwarven society; there's too little information. Genlocks have orangutan arms, much like dwarves in Origins did. So that's consistent with the lore.

[Former_Fiend]

The games are the primary source of cannon and all the hornless qunari, not just sten but the qunari mercenaries and his dead companions, were all smaller then the horned soldiers in DA 2.  It may not seem like much to us, but cheetahs, lions, and cougars are not that different in size or biology but that still leaves huge differences in there abilities so I wounder if we should be using his feats as a guide to the main line qunari.  

 

 

Generals are often old while soldiers are young and strong.  Their jobs are different and they have different requirements so the fact that sten is weaker then most qunari wouldn't mean anything since if he has the experience to lead effectively, which he has having studied under the Warden, then he would be the best choice to lead and all others would obey without question because to question the qun is to die.

 

I think you're reading too much into graphical and artstyle differences between games.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

Since they got a redesign, I've been constantly wondering if they can still have brown skin (like DA:O's Sten). Something in the Raptr Q&A suggests no, but was unclear, and in the comics, Sten is still brown-skinned.

[GameBoyish]

Maybe Saarebas have a liquid diet? Edit: Considering that some of them also have their tongues removed, it seems likely that they have a liquid diet.

And all races in Thedas have similar lifespans.

They drink whey protein.

[bunch1]

I think you're reading too much into graphical and artstyle differences between games.

Bioware didn't just retcon it like the Klingons in star trek.  The horned qunari are real as are the horned qunari who are suppose to be more numerous.  We know they are different so why can't we say that the hornless ones are smaller when dwarves, human, and elves physical properties, not nose bent, but there height and frames are roughly the same between DA:O and DA 2 but the horned Qunari are larger then all Qunari seen in DA:O and all have horns?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Bioware didn't just retcon it like the Klingons in star trek.  The horned qunari are real as are the horned qunari who are suppose to be more numerous.  We know they are different so why can't we say that the hornless ones are smaller when dwarves, human, and elves physical properties, not nose bent, but there height and frames are roughly the same between DA:O and DA 2 but the horned Qunari are larger then all Qunari seen in DA:O and all have horns?

In the comics Sten is even larger than his horned bretheren. You are putting too much into the different graphical art style of the two games.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Just pointing out, going without food for a few weeks is nothing too special. you or I could do that. It's the water that matters.

It would depend entirely on your previous state of nourishment (and of course other disease and what not). An average healthy man would probably survive for a few weeks, if he remained hydrated and were lucky enough to avoid any of the diseases that comes with starvation.

[bunch1]

In the comics Sten is even larger than his horned bretheren. You are putting too much into the different graphical art style of the two games.

If this is the case then we can't go on any visual information since Bioware hasn't figured out how they want to portray the Qunari.  So we can't say Sten was fit when he got out of the cage.  I will accept that Qunari are taller then humans and have horns but we don't even know how much muscle mass the average Qunari has and would fare when compared to a human so it's really hard to say. 

[Former_Fiend]

If this is the case then we can't go on any visual information since Bioware hasn't figured out how they want to portray the Qunari.  So we can't say Sten was fit when he got out of the cage.  I will accept that Qunari are taller then humans and have horns but we don't even know how much muscle mass the average Qunari has and would fare when compared to a human so it's really hard to say. 

 

It's not a matter of Sten looking fit. We can ask Sten directly if he's in fighting shape after leaving the cage and he confirms it, and it is easily demonstrated as their are hostile creatures within walking distance of the cage to test him against and his performance doesn't suffer.

[Former_Fiend]

Just pointing out, going without food for a few weeks is nothing too special. you or I could do that. It's the water that matters.

 

Surviving a few weeks without food is one thing.

 

Surviving a few weeks without food and then being able to don armor and pick up a sword and fight effectively is something completely different.

[bunch1]

It's not a matter of Sten looking fit. We can ask Sten directly if he's in fighting shape after leaving the cage and he confirms it, and it is easily demonstrated as their are hostile creatures within walking distance of the cage to test him against and his performance doesn't suffer.

He can lift a sword so by Qunari standards he can technically fight so he's not lying but that doesn't mean he is actually fit to fight.  And your using a game mechanic that doesn't hinder him the moment you pick him up instead of disabling him for some set time or give him a debeuff but complaining about me using the difference in all qunari depicted between the first and second game and saying that doesn't matter.  So appearance doesn't matter and game mechanics do then I can stay that Sten isn't particularly stronger then an elven warden or Alister so Qunari are really just slightly taller then humans but not actually stronger.

[Former_Fiend]

He can lift a sword so by Qunari standards he can technically fight so he's not lying but that doesn't mean he is actually fit to fight.  And your using a game mechanic that doesn't hinder him the moment you pick him up instead of disabling him for some set time or give him a debeuff but complaining about me using the difference in all qunari depicted between the first and second game and saying that doesn't matter.  So appearance doesn't matter and game mechanics do then I can stay that Sten isn't particularly stronger then an elven warden or Alister so Qunari are really just slightly taller then humans but not actually stronger.

 

It could well be gameplay and story segregation, but if they wanted to show he was sufficiently debilitated by his stay in the cage, they could have had it to where he goes straight to camp after you release him from the cage and you can't put him in your party until after you visit camp and he's had some time to rest and eat.

 

Like how Javik needs to wait a mission or two before he's ready to join the squad after being woken up from suspended animation in ME3.

[bunch1]

It could well be gameplay and story segregation, but if they wanted to show he was sufficiently debilitated by his stay in the cage, they could have had it to where he goes straight to camp after you release him from the cage and you can't put him in your party until after you visit camp and he's had some time to rest and eat.

 

Like how Javik needs to wait a mission or two before he's ready to join the squad after being woken up from suspended animation in ME3.

Fair point.  I will say however that if we are to take DA:O and DA 2 Qunari as being the same sans horns then it wouldn't be beyond reason to think that Qunari have the worst muscle usage of any species in Thedas since despite being very much larger with much better defined muscle tone then any dwarf, elf, or human seen in the world they are not actually stronger then any of said species so they get by on intimidation and superior tech rather then muscle.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Fair point.  I will say however that if we are to take DA:O and DA 2 Qunari as being the same sans horns then it wouldn't be beyond reason to think that Qunari have the worst muscle usage of any species in Thedas since despite being very much larger with much better defined muscle tone then any dwarf, elf, or human seen in the world they are not actually stronger then any of said species so they get by on intimidation and superior tech rather then muscle.

Uhm... no? Qunari are by far the strongest sentient race of Thedas.

[bunch1]

I've never

 

Uhm... no? Qunari are by far the strongest sentient race of Thedas.

And yet in 2 games they have never posed more of a problem then a random human bandit or Hurlock.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I've never

 

And yet in 2 games they have never posed more of a problem then a random human bandit or Hurlock.

Because you are the player character.

[bunch1]

Because you are the player character.

True, but a scrawny city elf shouldn't be able to beat a big bad qunari no matter what since they have almost no training and half their weight but they still manage to hold their own against qunari mercenaries and Hawk and co. aren't professional soldiers, hell Hawk is a pampered noble for years going into act 2, and can still take down multiple Qunari soldiers with little effort.

[EmperorSahlertz]

True, but a scrawny city elf shouldn't be able to beat a big bad qunari no matter what since they have almost no training and half their weight but they still manage to hold their own against qunari mercenaries and Hawk and co. aren't professional soldiers, hell Hawk is a pampered noble for years going into act 2, and can still take down multiple Qunari soldiers with little effort.

All player characters have had extensive combat trainning. The same goes for any companion.

 

And in a one-on-one fight you can be pretty sure that an average City Elf would get destroyed by a Qunari.