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[FlyingSquirrel]

Does Oghren know the costs of becoming a Grey Warden when he asks to become one in Awakening (i.e. that he'll probably be overcome by the darkspawn taint and leave to fight in the Deep Roads, and might have to sacrifice himself if an Archdemon appears again)?

 

At first I thought maybe he didn't, and told him no for that reason. My Warden would have joined either way, but believes others should know the whole story ahead of time. However, all indications were that sending him away meant he'd leave the game for good, so then I thought maybe he is supposed to know, especially since he probably knows about previous Wardens coming to Orzammar to fight in the Deep Roads. But I couldn't recall if the dialogue in DAO addressed this directly.

 

I discovered from Anders' wiki entry that he turns back up if you say no, so I picked the "we don't need him, but be lenient" option instead. I tried accepting him once but he really seems as if he doesn't have a clue what he's getting into in the Joining scene, so then I reloaded.

[Sawtooth357]

I think it's general knowledge that not all Grey Warden recruits survive their initiation, but not the specifics. I think I recall Oghren asking where 'the big cup' is during the opening section of Vigil's Keep, so it's possible he learned from the Warden in Origins, though that seems like a huge breach of protocol. Still, it's hard to tell with Oghren, he's not exactly sterling at making tough life choices.

[DonJohn80]

He'd probably at least know about the taint since someone at the camp must have questioned why it would need to be a Warden who delivers the final blow or why a certain someone got recruited based on choices.

[Dabrikishaw]

You can tell Oghren the Joining is potentially fatal, but he still insists on taking it.

[tainted_legacy]

Seeing as he was in the Warrior Caste, I'm pretty sure he does know.  If I recall correctly, when a Warden's Calling comes close, the Warden in question will fight for a year with the Dwarves in The Deep Roads before heading off on their own.

[KaiserShep]

I think I recall Oghren asking where 'the big cup' is during the opening section of Vigil's Keep, so it's possible he learned from the Warden in Origins, though that seems like a huge breach of protocol.

 

Protocol doesn't really seem to matter much, because Anora will just blurt out that the Joining is potentially fatal as well, right in the middle of the Lands Meet.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Protocol doesn't really seem to matter much, because Anora will just blurt out that the Joining is potentially fatal as well, right in the middle of the Lands Meet.

Yeah, I kinda take that to mean that the Joining can kill has since become common knowledge, or at least common rumour.

[BlazingSpeed]

Protocol doesn't really seem to matter much, because Anora will just blurt out that the Joining is potentially fatal as well, right in the middle of the Lands Meet.

 

Yeah, I've always wondered if they cracked the coded Wardens files from Denerim like Flemeth did or if Maric blurted out some of the Wardens secrets.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, I kinda take that to mean that the Joining can kill has since become common knowledge, or at least common rumour.

Thing is, no one else seems to know that it's fatal prior to this. Jory, a knight from Redcliffe, knows nothing about it either.

I will say that it's interesting that Howe knows about the Calling.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Thing is, no one else seems to know that it's fatal prior to this. Jory, a knight from Redcliffe, knows nothing about it either.

I will say that it's interesting that Howe knows about the Calling.

 

Death As Consequence is definitely a secret of the Wardens, and one that Duncan is willing to kill Jory to keep. There are plenty of reasons why Anora might have known, and I figure she spoke it out loud to save her father and make a valid point that the Joining could be seen as a Trial By Fire. If he dies, judgement is done. If he doesn't, well he'll have to live with everything Wardens have to endure.

 

As for the Calling, I don't know if that's a secret... I wouldn't think that's easy to hide.

[KaiserShep]

Nathaniel Howe thought that his grandfather abandoned their family, even though he died in the joining (or the calling? I can't remember for certain)

[Corker]

I don't recall Howe's quote off-hand... something about dying under a rock, maybe?  I'd guess the fact that Grey Wardens go to the Deep Roads for a final battle is a thing that can be known, if one is of a mind to know it.  That the reason that they do this is because they're slowly losing their battle with the darkspawn taint is probably still a secret.  That's why Duncan kills Jory, really - that the Joining can be deadly isn't nearly as important as why it's deadly.  People would absolutely freak out if they knew what goes into that cup.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

@Kaiser - It was the Joining. Nathaniel mentioned that they didn't hear from the guy again after he went off to be a Warden, and now he's been through the Joining himself he believes the grandfather (or uncle? I forget) died in the Joining.

 

@Corker - Good point about the Taint there. I agree.