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[cjones91]

Yes, but all the places you mention were the sites of exceptional violence.  I doubt there would be any need to bring mages to some central location to off them, when it would be safer and easier to do it in whatever village you found them in.  Single deaths in scattered locations across the entire rural society won't have nearly the effect of a massed battle or an orphanage turned charnel house somewhere.

Wow......I can't believe you are condoning systematic murder and genocide.I hope you never get into a position of power that involves the lives of other people.

[TheKomandorShepard]

For anyone who thinks killing all mages is the solution let me ask you a question:What will you do if the mages fight back and then determine you and those like you should be wiped out instead?

 

If mundanes try to lead a genocide campaign against anyone with magic then that would be the final straw for mages who will then not give a damn anymore and unleash their talents against the aggressors.

Good luck for them as far they lost as far every battle besides no rebelion when potential rebels are dead. .

 

 

It's also pretty damn disturbing how there are people who think genocide is the best solution because the victims are different from normal people.

I love how peoples try bring it to simple prejudices like campaign against black peoples not to fact that mages are walking bomb and constant threat for humanity.It is you or me situation with kill few thousands to secure safety of millions.It is something that humans do all the time for example Hiroshima.

  

[Samahl]

I love how peoples try bring it to simple prejudices like campaign against black peoples not to fact that mages are walking bomb and constant threat for humanity.It is you or me situation with kill few thousands to secure safety of millions.

 

And somehow the Tevinter Imperium has manged to survive for thousands of years. Oh yeah, and the Dalish (outside of humans killing them, of course) are doing pretty well too. And let's not forget pre-Circle Rivain!

[cjones91]

Good luck for them as far they lost as far every battle besides no rebelion when potential rebels are dead. .

 

 

I love how peoples try bring it to simple prejudices like campaign against black peoples not to fact that mages are walking bomb and constant threat for humanity.It is you or me situation with kill few thousands to secure safety of millions.

  

I'm not bringing real life into this but that line right there has been used by many a genocider in both fiction and reality.Innocent blood being spilt by people with your mindset makes them the monsters here.

 

Not to mention a group of ignorant peasants with pitchforks is no match against a group of mages united against a common enemy who wants them dead and has no reason to hold back.Good job on that genocide plan that throws the world into chaos and anarchy by the way.  

[The Baconer]

It is you or me situation with kill few thousands to secure safety of millions.

 

Or you could kill millions to secure the safety of a few thousand. I find either approach is valid when we're talking about genocide.

[cjones91]

Or you could kill millions to secure the safety of a few thousand. I find either approach is valid when we're talking about genocide.

Yep,it works both ways and in this situation the mages would come out on top in the end since the aggressors won't be able to counter their spells.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And somehow the Tevinter Imperium has manged to survive for thousands of years. Oh yeah, and the Dalish (outside of humans killing them, of course) are doing pretty well too. And let's not forget pre-Circle Rivain!

Yeah and tevinter is most corrupted and vicious society in the setting so i wouldn't say that it is fine not mention abomnations and destruction done to their society that mages in charge don't care about.

 

Dalish are small in number and pretty much look on Zathrian , Merril and Marethari and our sweet velanna so nope not so good for dalish.

 

Rivain was full of abomnations and peoples were like meh they destroyed city it happens.

 

 

I'm not bringing real life into this but that line right there has been used by many a genocider in both fiction and reality.Innocent blood being spilt by people with your mindset makes them the monsters here.

 

Not to mention a group of ignorant peasants with pitchforks is no match against a group mages united against a common enemy who wants them dead and has no reason to hold back.Good job on that genocide plan that throws the world into chaos and anarchy by the way.  

Every country did many times it as i said for example Hiroshima.

And who says about group of peasants doing that anti-mages will do that with cooperation from folks (not in fight).

 

 

Or you could kill millions to secure the safety of a few thousand. I find either approach is valid when we're talking about genocide.

 

Well i never said it was moral solution or mages shouldn't defend themselves it is their call i take my own side and good luck with fighting milions.

[Elite Midget]

The school idea is nice and all but whose going to front the bill for that or to ensure that everything is in order? If you take away control of the Mages from the Templars and Chantry they will be far less inclined to keep funding it so that the new overseer may fail and the Chantry/Templars will go around spreading rumors that such things wouldn't have happened if they still were in control of the Mages.

 

Middle Ground sounds nice but that seems like an impossibility atm unless something big happens as many are very angry when DA:I starts and the last ditch peace talks failed due to everyone but the Inquisitor dying.

 

We've also seen that leaders of the orders tend to be huge extremists.

 

Orsino - Blood Magic? Where? In my tower? LIES AND SLANDER! You have proof? I'm not listening! All Mages are saints, it's all the Templars fault if they even think of doing Blood Magic! Now excuse me while I drool over these notes on how to perform Blood Magic and Necromancy from by Best Buddy whose committing mass murder with Blood Magic in his attempt to master Necromancy!  

 

Meredith - All Mages are secretly Blood Mages! The Order dictates that they all must be ANNULLED! 

 

Anders - All Mages go free now, no accountability or any checks and balances!

[LobselVith8]

Dalish are small in number and pretty much look on Zathrian , Merril and Marethari and our sweet velanna so nope not so good for dalish.

 

True, the clans are relatively small in comparison to the population of a kingdom, but they are the remnants of the Dales, a nation where mages were among the nobility who governed the kingdom in an oligarchy system.

[DrBlingzle]

Well what the hell, I think I'm finally going to jump into the abyss and post in here.

 

I love how peoples try bring it to simple prejudices like campaign against black peoples not to fact that mages are walking bomb and constant threat for humanity.It is you or me situation with kill few thousands to secure safety of millions.It is something that humans do all the time for example Hiroshima.

  

Now if those millions where certainly going to die I would accept that, sacrifice the few to save the many and all that. The thing is I heavily doubt that for every mage alive one or more "mundane" will die. If you killed every mage in thedas for the rest of eternity I really don't think you would be saving as many as you would be killing.   

 

Yep,it works both ways and in this situation the mages would come out on top in the end since the aggressors won't be able to counter their spells.

I've actually got to disagree with you there, there are dozens of mundanes for every mage and you've got to remember most mages are'nt fully trained for conflict, most specialize in other areas of magic.

[cjones91]

Yeah and tevinter is most corrupted and vicious society in the setting so i wouldn't say that it is fine not mention abomnations and destruction done to their society that mages in charge don't care about.

 

Dalish are small in number and pretty much look on Zathrian , Merril and Marethari and our sweet velanna so nope not so good for dalish.

 

Rivain was full of abomnations and peoples were like meh they destroyed city it happens.

 

 

Every country did many times it as i said for example Hiroshima.

And who says about group of peasants doing that anti-mages will do that with cooperation from folks (not in fight).

The only people with anti magic abilities were the Templars and they are gone as a organization.But hey if you want Thedas to become a living hell then congratulations, because that will happen if you push the mage population against a wall and threaten to kill them all.

[TheKomandorShepard]

True, the clans are relatively small in comparison to the population of a kingdom, but they are the remnants of the Dales, a nation where mages were among the nobility who governed the kingdom in an oligarchy system.

Yep and it was just another abusive pro-magical society not to mention just it begs for info about abomnations numbers in their times when even 1 dalish clan can't go away without causing some magical disaster.  

 

 

Well what the hell, I think I'm finally going to jump into the abyss and post in here.

 

Now if those millions where certainly going to die I would accept that, sacrifice the few to save the many and all that. The thing is I heavily doubt that for every mage alive one or more "mundane" will die. If you killed every mage in thedas for the rest of eternity I really don't think you would be saving as many as you would be killing.   

 

I've actually got to disagree with you there, there are dozens of mundanes for every mage and you've got to remember most mages are'nt fully trained for conflict, most specialize in other areas of magic.

 

Single blight kills a huge numbers of people and that only 1 of another huge numbers disasters caused by mages.Pretty much by that point we can see that mages do nothing more than constant damge.Hell 3 of 4 main quest (major problems) in dao was caused by mages not to mention main problem blight.Then we have Baroness ,architect that caused darkspawn civil war and army of harvesters thanks to mages and we are only in first game.

 

 

 

The only people with anti magic abilities were the Templars and they are gone as a organization.But hey if you want Thedas to become a living hell then congratulations, because that will happen if you push the mage population against a wall and threaten to kill them all.

 

Pretty sure they said we can support templars.Perhaps even in future spearate anti-mages (i don't talk about templars) from chantry ang get them grey wardens privileges and independence. 

[Samahl]

Yeah and tevinter is most corrupted and vicious society in the setting so i wouldn't say that it is fine not mention abomnations and destruction done to their society that mages in charge don't care about.

 

It's not magic that makes them corrupt though, because there are other societies governed by magic (once again, the Dalish) that are not. Either way, the Imperium's not overrun with abominations as far as we know, despite how common blood magic is.

 

Dalish are small in number and pretty much look on Zathrian , Merril and Marethari and our sweet velanna so nope not so good for dalish.

 

So in order for mages to be worth saving in your view, they all have to be perfect? A few Dalish mages used blood magic (without even becoming abominations, mind you), which means all Dalish mages must die?

 

Rivain was full of abomnations and peoples were like meh they destroyed city it happens.

 

Citation?

[cjones91]

Well what the hell, I think I'm finally going to jump into the abyss and post in here.

 

Now if those millions where certainly going to die I would accept that, sacrifice the few to save the many and all that. The thing is I heavily doubt that for every mage alive one or more "mundane" will die. If you killed every mage in thedas for the rest of eternity I really don't think you would be saving as many as you would be killing.   

 

I've actually got to disagree with you there, there are dozens of mundanes for every mage and you've got to remember most mages are'nt fully trained for conflict, most specialize in other areas of magic.

Numbers mean nothing if the mages go all out,the ones that aren't trained for combat will soon learn to in a life and death scenario.

 

The mundanes will lose the genocide war if they start it.

[Samahl]

Yep and it was just another abusive pro-magical society

 

Where did you get this idea?

[TK514]

Wow......I can't believe you are condoning systematic murder and genocide.I hope you never get into a position of power that involves the lives of other people.

 

Did you just attempt to suggest that a hypothetical discussion about a fantasy video game had anything to do with a person's real world beliefs and motivations?

 

Well aren't you just adorable.  I want to pinch your little outraged cheek and tousle your hair.

 

Particularly when, if you had actually read the thread, you would know I don't condone such things.

 

But hey, keep going.  Your misplaced outrage and false assumptions are amusing, if nothing else.

[LobselVith8]

Yep and it was just another abusive pro-magical society not to mention just it begs for info about abomnations numbers in their times when even 1 dalish clan can't go away without causing some magical disaster.  

 

I don't see why you assume it was abusive, and no historical accounts claim it was plagued by abominations. I also don't think it's fair to point to the narrative of Origins or Dragon Age II, where every group we encounter is dealing with some trouble, whether it's elves, dwarves, qunari, or humans.

[cjones91]

Where did you get this idea?

Apparently from the group that thinks only mages are capable of abuses of power.

[cjones91]

Did you just attempt to suggest that a hypothetical discussion about a fantasy video game had anything to do with a person's real world beliefs and motivations?

 

Well aren't you just adorable.  I want to pinch your little outraged cheek and tousle your hair.

 

Particularly when, if you had actually read the thread, you would know I don't condone such things.

 

But hey, keep going.  Your misplaced outrage and false assumptions are amusing, if nothing else.

I was mostly being sarcastic on that last part.

[Samahl]

The school idea is nice and all but whose going to front the bill for that or to ensure that everything is in order?

 

This is a good point, and a difficult question to answer. If the Chantry is going to keep pushing their harmful anti-mage views, then I don't want them holding that much power. The problem is, the majority of Thedas is Andrastian. It's a conundrum, to be sure.

[Dabrikishaw]

I will say this right now. My only objection to any kind of mage genocide is the simple fact that there are going to be more Dragon Age games after Inquisition. We cannot lose an entire class like that in the middle of a saga.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Citation?

Rivain isn't exactly full of Abominations, but they do not consider them as something you can actively prevent. If a Seer becomes an Abomination and destroys a village, they will look at it the same way they would look at it if it was a hurricane which had destroyed the city. They see Abominations as natural disasters, and thus just a part of life.

[MisterJB]

Citation?

It wasn't the words I would have used but he is right on that account.

The entire female population of Rivain's Circle was a Seer, which mean they had a spirit inhibiting their bodies. Whether that is an Abomination or not is a matter open for debate.

And the rivaini people believe that if an Abomination is created and goes on a rampage, then that is simply a natural accident, no different from an earthquake or hurricane; which is unhealty logic, evidencely. Abominations are avoidable and their actions are the result of conscious decisions by sentient beings.

[DrBlingzle]

Numbers mean nothing if the mages go all out,the ones that aren't trained for combat will soon learn to in a life and death scenario.

 

The mundanes will lose the genocide war if they start it.

First of all I'd just like to say I agree with you that the "kill of mages" idea is madness.

 

However I think if the "genocide war" did start the mages wouldn't win. We saw in kirkwall how easily the mages were put down when the templars started the annulment. Now this was just the Templars, imagine if all the city guard and a peasant militia joined in. If every nation utilised their all of their armies to kill mages the numbers would start to count and in the end I think mages would be put down. I'm not saying it would be a clear win, it would be close but I think mundanes would scrape victory.

[cjones91]

Rivain isn't exactly full of Abominations, but they do not consider them as something you can actively prevent. If a Seer becomes an Abomination and destroys a village, they will look at it the same way they would look at it if it was a hurricane which had destroyed the city. They see Abominations as natural disasters, and thus just a part of life.

Technically they are right in that regard,Abominations are pretty rare despite the games having them by the dozens.So a Abomination being considered a natural disaster is pretty appropriate.