It's not magic that makes them corrupt though, because there are other societies governed by magic (once again, the Dalish) that are not.
But they are governed by magic. Some of us would prefer if non-mage ruled societies remained precisely that, ruled by non-mages.
Rivain isn't exactly full of Abominations, but they do not consider them as something you can actively prevent. If a Seer becomes an Abomination and destroys a village, they will look at it the same way they would look at it if it was a hurricane which had destroyed the city. They see Abominations as natural disasters, and thus just a part of life.
It wasn't the words I would have used but he is right on that account.
The entire female population of Rivain's Circle was a Seer, which mean they had a spirit inhibiting their bodies. Whether that is an Abomination or not is a matter open for debate.
And the rivaini people believe that if an Abomination is created and goes on a rampage, then that is simply a natural accident, no different from an earthquake or hurricane; which is unhealty logic, evidencely. Abominations are avoidable and their actions are the result of conscious decisions by sentient beings.
I knew about this, but the way he worded it made it seem like abominations were running rampant and destroying cities without a care in the world. Maybe I'm just accustomed to his hyperbole...
Technically they are right in that regard,Abominations are pretty rare despite the games having them by the dozens.So a Abomination being considered a natural disaster is pretty appropriate.
Yeah but I think the main thing is that they are an avoidable disaster as opposed to earthquakes and volocanic eruptions.
But they are governed by magic. Some of us would prefer if non-mage ruled societies remained precisely that, ruled by non-mages.
Non mage..or mage:what's the difference?Either way corruption is rampant in both.
But they are governed by magic. Some of us would prefer if non-mage ruled societies remained precisely that, ruled by non-mages.
O... kay? This doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.
Technically they are right in that regard,Abominations are pretty rare despite the games having them by the dozens.So a Abomination being considered a natural disaster is pretty appropriate.
Well, since Abominations are not at all natural disasters, TECHNICALLY speaking calling them that is faulty at best. They are preventable, and they are the result of cogniscient actions. They aren't the result of tectonic movements or different pressure in air levels.
Technically they are right in that regard,Abominations are pretty rare despite the games having them by the dozens.So a Abomination being considered a natural disaster is pretty appropriate.
People like Ed Gein who will kill others in great numbers and then wear their skins or cover furniture with it are also very rare.
Was Ed Gein a natural disaster?
Yeah but I think the main thing is that they are an avoidable disaster as apposed to earthquakes and volocanic eruptions.
Not all the time though,you can prepare for abomination appearances or try to prevent them but just like a flash flood they will happen regardless.
It's not magic that makes them corrupt though, because there are other societies governed by magic (once again, the Dalish) that are not. Either way, the Imperium's not overrun with abominations as far as we know, despite how common blood magic is.
So in order for mages to be worth saving in your view, they all have to be perfect? A few Dalish mages used blood magic (without even becoming abominations, mind you), which means all Dalish mages must die?
Citation?
1.As i said dalish are small number of peoples and causes many disasters i pointed them despite being small society.
2.Nope all it would require is not being walking bomb but they are and cause constant damage in fact their situation demand them being perfect and peoples aren't perfect.
3.Others already pointed what i said i see.
Where did you get this idea?
TME
Non mage..or mage:what's the difference?Either way corruption is rampant in both.
Show me a non-mage that created blight or created breach then we can talk.
Non mage..or mage:what's the difference?Either way corruption is rampant in both.
The difference lies in which direction that corruption will be steered towards, of course.
The 'mages will just kill all those commoners' crowd forgets we already have historical precedent for what happens when mundanes decide they don't like mages living among them.
The mages get slaughtered to the point that they run to the Chantry for protection. In fact, life outside the Chantry is so horrific for them that they are willing to accept life as little more than candle lighters rather than face the continued persecution.
This is the same group who demanded the creation of the Circles to give them a place where they could live, practice magic, and not get burned at the stake by angry mobs. A practice that can still happen in modern Thedas, apparently, if the Templars don't arrive in time.
Yes, a fully trained battle mage is a force of nature. But most mages don't have the level of skill or talent required to be a battle mage, and no mage starts out as one.
People like Ed Gein who will kill others in great numbers and then wear their skins or cover furniture with it are also very rare.
Was Ed Gein a natural disaster?
I don't know who that is but if he suddenly appeared out of nowhere and left a trail of destruction in his wake then yes it would be a natural disaster.
Not all the time though,you can prepare for abomination appearances or try to prevent them but just like a flash flood they will happen regardless.
And the emphasis should be on prevention. It doesn't strike me as healthy to view them as inevitable, because it encourages a rather defeatist outlook, which definitely is not conducive to prevention efforts. You don't tell the family of someone who's been murdered "murder happens", you try to prevent murder happening in the first place.
The 'mages will just kill all those commoners' crowd forgets we already have historical precedent for what happens when mundanes decide they don't like mages living among them.
The mages get slaughtered to the point that they run to the Chantry for protection. In fact, life outside the Chantry is so horrific for them that they are willing to accept life as little more than candle lighters rather than face the continued persecution.
This is the same group who demanded the creation of the Circles to give them a place where they could live, practice magic, and not get burned at the stake by angry mobs. A practice that can still happen in modern Thedas, apparently, if the Templars don't arrive in time.
Yes, a fully trained battle mage is a force of nature. But most mages don't have the level of skill or talent required to be a battle mage, and no mage starts out as one.
Mage children are the ones who get killed by peasant mobs,a full grown mage however can take out a number of peasants before dying.Add a group of mages with nothing to lose and then say the commoners would win.
I picture Thedas as being a demon and abomination haven if the genocide scenario happened.
I don't know who that is but if he suddenly appeared out of nowhere and left a trail of destruction in his wake then yes it would be a natural disaster.
No, it wouldn't. Frequency has nothing to do with whether something is a natural disaster.
Natural disasters ocurrs when something, without the direct intervention of man, shifts in our planet which reates destructive forces that cause damage to human society.
Murdering others is a conscious acts made by sapient beings.
Abominations are closer to serial killers than hurricanes.
Not all the time though,you can prepare for abomination appearances or try to prevent them but just like a flash flood they will happen regardless.
But (sometimes) they can be prevented unlike a flood antd there for evey effort should be taken to prevent them (unless of course the pevention results in a larger cost of human life than the disaster itself).
I don't know who that is but if he suddenly appeared out of nowhere and left a trail of destruction in his wake then yes it would be a natural disaster.
A natural disaster is a disaster caused by a natural proccess of the earth (sea levels, tctonic plates, etc). A madman going on a killing spree, or a mage being possesed by a demon is not a natural process of the earth.
And the emphasis should be on prevention. It doesn't strike me as healthy to view them as inevitable, because it encourages a rather defeatist outlook, which definitely is not conducive to prevention efforts. You don't tell the family of someone who's been murdered "murder happens", you try to prevent murder happening in the first place.
Prevention hasn't exactly helped stop abomination attacks,they can happen anywhere at anytime including the places where mages are trained to resist demonic possession.
My point is there will always be abominations as long as demons exist no matter how much you prepare for them.
Prevention hasn't exactly helped stop abomination attacks,they can happen anywhere at anytime including the places where mages are trained to resist demonic possession.
My point is there will always be abominations as long as demons exist no matter how much you prepare for them.
As i said only sure and effective method to prevent abomination going on rampage is kill mage 100 % assurance.
Circles were just bad...
Prevention hasn't exactly helped stop abomination attacks,they can happen anywhere at anytime including the places where mages are trained to resist demonic possession.
My point is there will always be abominations as long as demons exist no matter how much you prepare for them.
Yes but the number of abominations has been reduced and that is extreamly important.
As i said only sure and effective method to prevent abomination going on rampage is kill mage 100 % assurance.
And then you create more abominations in the process.Is that worth the bloodshed?
And then you create more abominations in the process.Is that worth the bloodshed?
Not rly if they are dead...
Prevention hasn't exactly helped stop abomination attacks,they can happen anywhere at anytime including the places where mages are trained to resist demonic possession.
My point is there will always be abominations as long as demons exist no matter how much you prepare for them.
Yes it has. Broken Circle is a perfect example of how prevention works.
The mages were all kept away from human society. Worst case scenarion ocurred and a Pride Demon started to build an army.
How many civillians died? Zero. How many died because Connor became an Abomination outside of the Circle? Nearly the whole of Redcliff.
Therefore, the system works.
Mage children are the ones who get killed by peasant mobs,a full grown mage however can take out a number of peasants before dying.Add a group of mages with nothing to lose and then say the commoners would win.
I picture Thedas as being a demon and abomination haven if the genocide scenario happened.
Numbers will eventually win out. Mages are not invulnerable or unstoppable. Even abominations aren't unkillable. And every fully trained mage that dies or goes abomination is an almost irreplaceable resource lost.
Yes it has. Broken Circle is a perfect example of how prevention works.
The mages were all kept away from human society. Worst case scenarion ocurred and a Pride Demon started to build an army.
How many civillians died? Zero. How many died because Connor became an Abomination outside of the Circle? Nearly the whole of Redcliff.
Therefore, the system works.
Rly it works do i have mention Anders 8 escapes , malcolm hawke who escaped from circle , mages from starkhaven , blood mages in kirkwall , meredith quest where mages escaped.Not to mention many others.
The difference lies in which direction that corruption will be steered towards, of course.
To elaborate. In non-mage ruled Ferelden, there is corruption. But the mages are isolated from other humans so they can't harm them and are taught how to resist demons. Therefore, the security of non-mages takes priority over the freedom of mages.
In mage ruled Rivain, the non-mages are taught how Abominations are natural disasters and thus, no one's fault, not even the mage that was possessed. Therefore, mage freedom takes priority over non-mage security.
Hence, who rules society matters.
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