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[Xilizhra]

Unless Ella is not from Kirkwall, there's no way her mother wouldn't have know where she was taken.

There are quite a few cities in the Free Marches that don't have Circles, so that's hardly unlikely.

[MisterJB]

Either they were highly trained or the two Revenants and Arcane Horror were weak as hell.DA lore makes it quite clear those two types of Abominations  are army killers,so Celene's group must've been lucky to survive without anyone dying.

You're extrapolating this whole "army killer" thing from the codex entry where a Revenant kills a unit of Templars, right?

well, first a unit does not have the numbers of an army. And then, Revenants are highly physical creatures whereas Templars are trained more to fight casters so, they might have simply bee missmatched.

Likewise, Arcane Horrors are probably extremely dangerous to mages because they are the masters of spellcasting and can counter anything but a single Templars with Dispel would probably deal with them in a minute.

 

And yes, the group was composed of two Chevaliers, one Bard and a Dalish mage so, yes, they were highly trained.

The Chevaliers in particulars are ridiculously skilled; we get a look into theit training and their capabilities in the book and it's insane.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Either they were highly trained or the two Revenants and Arcane Horror were weak as hell.DA lore makes it quite clear those two types of Abominations  are army killers,so Celene's group must've been lucky to survive without anyone dying.

Those two types aren't even Abominations... They are "just" undead. particularly powerful undead, but still just undead. Abominations are still the most powerful magical entity you can encounter.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Those two types aren't even Abominations... They are "just" undead. particularly powerful undead, but still just undead. Abominations are still the most powerful magical entity you can encounter.

If we don't count archdemons.

[LobselVith8]

1.Not rly pretty much shows problems with dalish elves pretty much we have 4 clans out of 5 we saw where mages were dealing with spirits and demons that is hardly accident i would belive it if that was 2 clans not 4 out of 5.

 

You have Zathrian out of the entire clan in Origins, you have Merrill as an unorthodox Dalish mage, and that's pretty much it; Marethari set Audacity free, but she didn't originally summon it, as the spirit was conquered during the war between Arlathan and Tevinter, and no one in the Sabrae Clan is even certain which side summoned or bound the spirit.

 

2.She summoned sylvans that are spirit/demons that possessed tree. 

 

It could be an issue of simple game mechanics with the developers reusing the models for sylvans, similar to how the "super abomination" at the Gallows instead recycled the Harvester model, even though the two aren't supposed to be equivalent to one another lore wise.

[EmperorSahlertz]

If we don't count archdemons.

Technically Archdemons aren't magical creatures but Blighted creatures, so I think my point stands 

[Mistic]

Gamlen, who doesn't have a sovereign to his name, was able to see Bethany.

And Isolde expects me to believe she, an Arlessa, would have never seen Connor again?

She's just being a mother hen who can't be bothered to be apart from her son for more than five minutes even if he is a threat to the whole city.

 

I agree, Isolde could have seen him again. In fact, if Connor is sent to the Circle, she probably has the chance. We have heard of many instances where powerful nobles can make their mage children's lives easier thanks to their influence.

 

However, I don't think it's a matter of Isolde being a "mother hen". I think we're forgetting an important detail here: mages can't inherit noble titles. If Connor is revealed a mage, he will not only be sent to the Circle, but we won't inherit the arling. Eamon is an old man, and although it's not impossible for him to have more children, Connor was probably his last chance to have a heir of his blood, no matter how nice Teagan is.

 

History is full of examples of parents doing the most despicable things to ensure that their children will get to power, even if that power seems ridiculous from our point of view. I interpreted Isolde's actions under that perspective, but I may be mistaken. Whatever the case, in Recliffe almost all people involved (Isolde, Connor, Jowan, Loghain) made the wrong choice.

[yk1468]

There is a way for mages and templars to live in peace. 

 

1# The circles should be kept and they should teach mages on how to defend themselves against demons.

2# They shouldn't be locked up forever, so during the summer families of the mages can visit them and have a templar go with them should anything happen.

3# If they pass the harrowing than they can leave the circle and live their life, or stay and try to become the new enchanter.

That way mages wouldn't risk getting possessed and templars would protect the mage's life and not kill the mage.

 

In a nutshell my solution is hogwarts

[General TSAR]

And the students of Hogwarts have never threatened the normal world, right?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Technically Archdemons aren't magical creatures but Blighted creatures, so I think my point stands 

They are kinda magical and blighted as you can be both but i think your point stands anyway.

[Dean_the_Young]

Did you just attempt to suggest that a hypothetical discussion about a fantasy video game had anything to do with a person's real world beliefs and motivations?

 

Well aren't you just adorable.  I want to pinch your little outraged cheek and tousle your hair.

 

Particularly when, if you had actually read the thread, you would know I don't condone such things.

 

But hey, keep going.  Your misplaced outrage and false assumptions are amusing, if nothing else.

 

This was masterful. If you weren't already married, I'd try to find you a wife so that future generations could inherit your wit.

[cjones91]

You're extrapolating this whole "army killer" thing from the codex entry where a Revenant kills a unit of Templars, right?

well, first a unit does not have the numbers of an army. And then, Revenants are highly physical creatures whereas Templars are trained more to fight casters so, they might have simply bee missmatched.

Likewise, Arcane Horrors are probably extremely dangerous to mages because they are the masters of spellcasting and can counter anything but a single Templars with Dispel would probably deal with them in a minute.

 

And yes, the group was composed of two Chevaliers, one Bard and a Dalish mage so, yes, they were highly trained.

The Chevaliers in particulars are ridiculously skilled; we get a look into theit training and their capabilities in the book and it's insane.

Actually I'm going by what the Codex said about Revenants and Arcane Horrors,one is capable of killing entire squads while more than that can wipe out army platoons.One group of templers arrived at a city only to discover everyone was dead and a single Arcane Horror waiting for them.

 

 

I need to read The Masked Empire because I'm genuinely surprised that one group can take out two Revenants and a Arcane Horrorand not have anyone die,how did they defeat them exactly?

[EmperorSahlertz]

And the students of Hogwarts have never threatened the normal world, right?

Nah, it was all just a huge misunderstanding.

[LobselVith8]

Rhys and Adrian talk of being allowed to visit Val-Royeaux in "Asunder".

 

I was addressing Isolde's concern that she might not see Connor again. We don't know how the Circle of Magi was operated by the Knight-Commander in the region where she was born and lived.

 

Unless Ella is not from Kirkwall, there's no way her mother wouldn't have know where she was taken.

 

There are other possibilities, but it would be our speculation on the matter, nothing more.

 

Obviously, if the Circle is built in the middle of the city, it's easier for people to visit their mage relatives.

However, Isolde is still the arlessa. She can afford to travel to Lake Calenhad and visit Connor.

 

I think it's inferred that if the relatives are wealthy in one form or another, they have access to mages within the Circle that isn't necessarily available to the families of other mages. Of course, the Chantry controlled Circles were run differently in each region, since some Circles even prohibited fraternization among the mages, so it's impossible to say (without a developer commenting on the matter) what the Circle was like in the region where Isolde grew up.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Nah, it was all just a huge misunderstanding.

What but they were abused by templars.

[Samahl]

What but they were abused by templars.

 

There are no templars at Hogwarts.

[cjones91]

There are no templars at Hogwarts.

I think he was being sarcastic.

[yk1468]

And the students of Hogwarts have never threatened the normal world, right

And who saved the normal world?  

[EmperorSahlertz]

And who saved the normal world?  

In a horribly inefficient way at the maximum cost of human life....

[MisterJB]

Actually I'm going by what the Codex said about Revenants and Arcane Horrors,one is capable of killing entire squads while more than that can wipe out army platoons.One group of templers arrived at a city only to discover everyone was dead and a single Arcane Horror waiting for them.

 

 

I need to read The Masked Empire because I'm genuinely surprised that one group can take out two Revenants and a Arcane Horrorand not have anyone die,how did they defeat them exactly?

The Bard and the Dalish Mage attacked one Revenant from a distance with arrows and spells and killed him.

The two chevaliers, who had sword and shields, managed to defeat the other Revenant in a straight fight. As they were running to kill the Arcane Horror, he released a spell that had them on their knees. As he was going to release another, Celene stabbed him from behind and disrupted it. One of the Chevaliers then got up and sliced its head off.

 

Chevaliers are awesome. There's this one that was captured by Dalish, disarmed, disrobed and beaten to a pulp; then they chain him to an aravel. He breaks free from his chains, grabs a blanket and kills three Dalish warriors with it.

Then he grabs a sword, kills three more Warrions, the War Chief and the First.

[MisterJB]

And the students of Hogwarts have never threatened the normal world, right?

Well, technically, they didn't.

Voldemort wouldn't have stood a goddamned change against the British army..

[The Baconer]

You're extrapolating this whole "army killer" thing from the codex entry where a Revenant kills a unit of Templars, right?

well, first a unit does not have the numbers of an army. And then, Revenants are highly physical creatures whereas Templars are trained more to fight casters so, they might have simply bee missmatched.

Likewise, Arcane Horrors are probably extremely dangerous to mages because they are the masters of spellcasting and can counter anything but a single Templars with Dispel would probably deal with them in a minute.

 

If you read the base Abomination codex it makes it clear that the idea of your average Templar dealing with an Arcane Horror is laughable, obviously it isn't as simple a quick dispel.

 

On the other hand, within the book we have two Revenants who apparently don't know how to use their own signature abilities (in which case the fight should have turned much deadlier within a few seconds) and an Arcane Horror who politely waits for said Revenants to be finished off.

[Dabrikishaw]

There's a lot of white bars on this page.

[Swoopdogg]

We assign every mage a Templar-trained Mabari war hound and imbue their tongues with lyrium. If the mage gets out of hand, the Mabari licks his mage. The mage's magic will be temporarily silenced, and the overwhelming love from his Mabari will turn him good again.

 

Case closed.

[cjones91]

The Bard and the Dalish Mage attacked one Revenant from a distance with arrows and spells and killed him.

The two chevaliers, who had sword and shields, managed to defeat the other Revenant in a straight fight. As they were running to kill the Arcane Horror, he released a spell that had them on their knees. As he was going to release another, Celene stabbed him from behind and disrupted it. One of the Chevaliers then got up and sliced its head off.

 

Chevaliers are awesome. There's this one that was captured by Dalish, disarmed, disrobed and beaten to a pulp; then they chain him to an aravel. He breaks free from his chains, grabs a blanket and kills three Dalish warriors with it.

Then he grabs a sword, kills three more Warrions, the War Chief and the First.

They sound badass,I like the chevaliers already.