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oh great another topic devolving into DA versus Witcher. Stay classy guys
I think we've managed to move beyond that to something productive.
There was no nudity besides the cards. And Adda ripped the necklace off of Geralt while they were still wearing clothes. The sex was just implied.
Hmm, you may be right. I tried to find an old save but I don't have anything from that section. I may have been thinking of a sex scene, not the nudity itself.
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I never thought so.
But it is apparently far worse than the violence routinely experienced in video games. I don't have a problem with either one, but let's think realistically... how many gamers are likely to have at least seen some milk factories in their lives? Hell, plenty have a set attached to them. I think a very large percentage of us have seen and hopefully done more than that. Yet I'd wager my last Sovereign or whatever fantasy currency you favor, that very few, if any, gamers will have savagely butchered men, women, and animals with medieval weapons and spells. So devs and the ESRB are not afraid to show us what we've never experienced for ourselves (and hopefully never will), only what we have (or hopefully will).
I think one of the big problems with showing sex in games is that there are certain aspects of it that make it inappropriate for younger gamers. That's part of why we find pedophilia so terrible, and it's why statuary rape is even a thing--kids, and younger teenagers, are not mentally developed (the brain doesn't fully develop until about the very end of the teenage years), and this combined with sex can have unpleasant impacts on the young person's identity. And, for better or worse, game companies are recognizing that and tend not to put it in there. Conversely, there's very little that's ambiguous about violence, about death even.
Compare a "bad touch" with a slap to the face. The latter may hurt the feelings...but the former can have serious effects on the child's psyche.
I'm not saying that in-game sexual content constitutes abuse, but it can introduce people to things they're not mentally ready to deal with yet, and that's something developers take into account (yes, the kids shouldn't be playing the game, but no, that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to account for it, or for kids watching).
The problem I have with Anita is that she is dishonest. She's blatantly lied a few times and if she isn't lying she is leaving out context to make things seem worse than they actually are or just being incredibly one sided. I thought her series could have been interesting and there is certainly enough sexism in gaming for her to make it honestly but she isn't doing that.
I can't really take her or anything she says seriously because of this. There are better feminists out there and there are female gamers who actually are gamers. If you wanna change the gaming community get involved in it and make your voice heard. Criticizing it from the outside without a care as to whether or not your criticisms are even accurate is not gonna do much good.
Where did she lie? Clearly she is a gamer and she does research. Obviously sometimes research is sometimes truncated and things have to be simplified for articles/videos but that is an abstract criticism. She has made several strong points about sexism in the gaming industry... many of which companies like Bioware seem to have taken to heart which is great.
Witcher just throws in a few sex scenes for the sake of it.
GTA gives reason to **** a ****** as it restores your health at the very least.
But yes, at least The Witcher 2's brothel was realistic and looked like one. The brothels in Dragon Age looked like regular bars and had the scenes as comical relief.
Personally I don't care what game does them best as I never use them anyway.
There were whorehouses in the prior DA games so it makes sense that they will return. Brothels also existed in Baldur's Gate and NWN. Hell you had strip clubs in Mass Effect so why wouldn't they return in Inquisition?
um The First mass Effect game had a Brothel.
Where did she lie? Clearly she is a gamer and she does research. Obviously sometimes research is sometimes truncated and things have to be simplified for articles/videos but that is an abstract criticism. She has made several strong points about sexism in the gaming industry... many of which companies like Bioware seem to have taken to heart which is great.
oh just go watch Thunderf00ts videos that debunk her.
oh just go watch Thunderf00ts videos that debunk her.
To be fair I don't agree with him either, he's gone kinda mad with the feminism thing.
"Adult" does not mean objectifying women. There is a big difference between being "mature" and collecting cards with women's breasts on them. I am all for characters being able to have explicit sexual relations. I want my Inquisitor to be able to have sex with multiple characters if possible and I would like them to be able to do so without having to choose one relationship at the end if possible. However being sexual with characters who are represented as 3 dimensional is entirely different to paying for a character whose entire value is their body. I think brothels in games are generally just a cheat to claim mature content when it is lacking.
Compare a "bad touch" with a slap to the face. The latter may hurt the feelings...but the former can have serious effects on the child's psyche.
How about a "bad touch" (hopefully more of a "good touch" in this context) compared to a beheading?
Where did she lie? Clearly she is a gamer and she does research. Obviously sometimes research is sometimes truncated and things have to be simplified for articles/videos but that is an abstract criticism. She has made several strong points about sexism in the gaming industry... many of which companies like Bioware seem to have taken to heart which is great.
She gets most of her footage from letsplay video's (she doesn't credit these people and never admitted to it) and she clearly hasn't played many of the games she talks about because she gets many of the facts she is using to support her arguments completely wrong. An argument kinda becomes useless if the central points are false, not that everything she says is wrong but allot of it is.
Sometimes she will be claiming the absolute opposite of what actually happens in a game. Like in that video she claims that Hitman game encourages and rewards you to kill strippers when in fact it punishes you for it. When your whole narrative revolves around something like "games make men feel like they can control women" and your example is false then it's a bad argument and should be discarded.
Making points about sexism in the industry is all very well but as I said I can't take her seriously because she is not honest and it's been going on for to long for it all to be mistakes. I think the fans are the people who's opinions Bioware has taken to heart not her. We have a wonderfully vocal community of female and lgbt gamers within the Bioware fanbase and that has nothing to do with her videos.
Yeah one only has to look at the obsessive anti-feminism of his youtube page to know that it isn't worth the time of day. Hearing half a minute of his BS while I am writing this, shows how big a waste of time he is. His arguments are also full of straw arguments and claims things she isn't actually arguing.
Is there a proper critique of Sarkeesian that actually provides a proper analysis?
He's a very intelligent man who used to make wonderful video's and he would never straw man anyone.
He's just got a bit obsessed with a few dishonest feminists who we should all just be ignoring. As I said there are better feminists and people like Sarkeesian do not represent the entire movement.
Are we forgetting that in Dragon Age Origins there was an Achievement for having sex with all the possible companions in one play through. The Witcher never had an Achievement for this, but DA:O did... kinda says something doesn't it.
Are we forgetting that in Dragon Age Origins there was an Achievement for having sex with all the possible companions in one play through. The Witcher never had an Achievement for this, but DA:O did... kinda says something doesn't it.
I didn't even know that. 
He's a very intelligent man who used to make wonderful video's and he would never straw man anyone.
He's just got a bit obsessed with a few dishonest feminists who we should all just be ignoring. As I said there are better feminists and people like Sarkeesian do not represent the entire movement.
to be fair, his points are accurate, and it was the Feminists who attacked him first and the Atheist community he is a member of.
Also just to be clear, I believe in equality of all the genders. I'm not a Feminist and I wish Feminist theories could be challenged without being called sexist. Why should radical Feminism be above challenge.
Are we forgetting that in Dragon Age Origins there was an Achievement for having sex with all the possible companions in one play through. The Witcher never had an Achievement for this, but DA:O did... kinda says something doesn't it.
Is there a proper critique of Sarkeesian that actually provides a proper analysis?
Probably a couple hundred on youtube. They're really not hard to find. In one lecture she says outright that she has no real interest in games. At best Anita is a pseudo intellectual clamoring for attention, at worst she's a scam artist.
Are we forgetting that in Dragon Age Origins there was an Achievement for having sex with all the possible companions in one play through. The Witcher never had an Achievement for this, but DA:O did... kinda says something doesn't it.
I don't think it was in ONE playthrough. Is that even possible?
Because in order to have sex with Morrigan, you have to be male, but Alistair isn't gay so...
There were achievements when you experience all the romances. One for each romanceable companion.
Yes but you could sleep with in one play through:
Morrigan,
Leliana,
and Zevran.
Doing so in one play through gave you the Achievement. (this may have been a Bug but it did happen)
Heck while we are at it, you could pimp out Alistair to Morrigan for the Ritual.
It was just experiencing all the romances + 1 achievement per romance. So no there wasn't an acheivement for 'sleeping with as many people as possible in 1 playthrough'. Most games they put out there's 1 achievement only for just doing any of the romances. It's, to me, the same as a base achievement for doing a story point.
Hopeless Romantic - 25 points
Across all playthroughs, experienced all possible romances
to be fair, his points are accurate, and it was the Feminists who attacked him first and the Atheist community he is a member of.
Also just to be clear, I believe in equality of all the genders. I'm not a Feminist and I wish Feminist theories could be challenged without being called sexist. Why should radical Feminism be above challenge.
Mostly, I thought his video about rape was completely wrong though (but lets not get into that coz it would derail the hell out of this thread). I just think he should move on and ignore these people. Some feminists are open to criticism but you have to remember that not every feminist is going to be a perfect example of feminism or even know that much about it.
Yeah the whole FTB thing kinda destroyed the entire community. 
Anyway we should get back on topic.
The only thing I liked about the brothel in Origins was Isabela -- I don't mind if there is one it seems ideal there would always be one, and in that case I hope it actually carries weight in terms of story-relation instead of just being "there". Having a unique NPC like Isabela in Origins was neat. Something along those lines at any rate.
Yes but you could sleep with in one play through:
Morrigan,
Leliana,
and Zevran.
Doing so in one play through gave you the Achievement. (this may have been a Bug but it did happen)
Heck while we are at it, you could pimp out Alistair to Morrigan for the Ritual.
The achievement is "Across all play-throughs, experienced all possible romances"
To be honest I don't know how I feel about the DA brothels. I certainly don't feel the need to have anything more explicit in the games and I kinda liked that it was mostly just used for comic relief but then that can be kind of insulting (like the whole serendipity thing).
To be honest I don't know how I feel about the DA brothels. I certainly don't feel the need to have anything more explicit in the games and I kinda liked that it was mostly just used for comic relief but then that can be kind of insulting (like the whole serendipity thing).
Their is some truth to comedy. Their are people who are going to react to that that way, like how Oghren reacts to homosexuals. It's realistic to show that not everyone will be so accepting. It's a parody of real life not a statement to total acceptance.
Answer to that is simple Mikey - they should be in if they make sense. Like anything else. If we go down some redlight-esk district and it's all bunnys and flowers that wont make any sense. If they throw a brothel in a Chantry i'm gonna be super awkwarded out you know?
Past that, it's bioware. It'll be pretty inclusive on it's brothels. ME is the only recent time exception (though they just had dance bars). Maybe the next ME will incorporate some hawt half-naked Krogan-man action on an industrial pole. I may not be into dudes, but I also kinda wanna see that.
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