I guess both man and woman prostitutes is a good thing. It covers your bases from the "equality" and "objectifying women" arguments.
No it doesn't, in the same way insulting white people doesn't make up for racism. While all objectification is problematic, the problem is when media reinforces what already exists in society... the reverse is entirely different. As one of my favorite comedians explains about "reverse Racism"
@9TailsFox : ....hahahaha! Ahh that pictures priceless. I'm not gonna eve bother being on topic.
No it doesn't, in the same way insulting white people doesn't make up for racism. While all objectification is problematic, the problem is when media reinforces what already exists in society... the reverse is entirely different. As one of my favorite comedians explains about "reverse Racism"
evil + evil not equal good. If you had it worse it don't give you right to be .... about it.
Racism and sexism are about power and reinforcing power differentials. It is about how things are in social context.
Racism and sexism are about power and reinforcing power differentials. It is about how things are in social context.
no racism is about fear of the different.
The quests didn't have anything to do with the sex workers. I never said everyone needs a back story I just asked what other people thought about the characterization of the prostitutes, So we could discuss it.
I'm not saying it wouldn't work but would that be a good thing? Should the sex workers just be random personality lacking npcs who are just there for the player to frack regardless of their own feelings on the matter (coz they don't got feelings
)
I actually don't mind all that much. I just think it's an interesting discussion and some people do seem to mind and I like reading what they have to say on the matter.
Ah, gotcha.
My opinion on the matter though, is if a brothel is included in the game, it's very likely that it won't be very integral to the main plot. Sure, sidequests are all well and good - and I'm all for having a few characters there with backstories and personalities. However, it'd be such a small and inconsequential part of the game that it probably would be best to just stick to having the sex workers be rather nondescript characters and not have to worry about which ones are straight, which ones are gay and which ones are bi.
Keep in mind, any amount of characterization, work on developing their personalities, or thought on the sexual orientation of each sex worker in the brothel, eats up time and resources the devs could be spending elsewhere. If the brothel played a major part in the story, or the appeal of the game, I'd say you had a point. But the best option, IMO, is the Origins approach to it.
I only really mentioned backstories because David Gaider's interview with Lady Insanity made it pretty clear that the way they determined sexual orientation for characters in their games was to go through the backstories they've written for them, and see what orientation makes the most sense. Basically, they determine sexual orientation based on the story they've written for their character, and don't just arbitrarily decide "oh, we need a straight person here" or "oh we need to write a character who's bi". The way I read your original statement made me think you wanted them to create an equal amount of gay, straight, and bi sex workers (each with a male and female option) - and that you wanted them to go through that process for all of those characters.
That is specific to companions, not every character in the entire game. When it comes to a brothel fitting a quota or whatever is less of an issue. Basically, the character can be made to fit the small side story or quest. We're not talking massive, super complex backstory, come back every 5 hours for new bedtime story crazy talk here. Saying it's 'not worth the time' and might as well leave them 1-2 dimensional is the same as anything that's not the main plot. And that, frankly, makes side content boring and not really worth anyones time. If they're going to put it in, it should at least 'attempt' to be interesting and entertaining.
Using Companions as a comparison is... apples and oranges frankly.
weird thought... but if the only 'water' an Apple tree received was actually Orange juice the apples would in fact taste like Oranges.
might have to try that.
So, we agree that brothels are a hot topic, yesss?
The apple tree would die due to the pH of the soil sinking.weird thought... but if the only 'water' an Apple tree received was actually Orange juice the apples would in fact taste like Oranges.
might have to try that.
surely that can be kept in check by additives to the soil
If Inquisition has a whorehouse, it'll be clothes on, so why bother. *facepalm*
If Inquisition has a whorehouse, it'll be clothes on, so why bother. *facepalm*
In terms of brothels in the game, unless they are going to add more content to the mechanic of hiring prostitutes (not a lot, just a little more dialouge between the PC and the prostitutes), I'm honestly inclined to feel it isn't worth adding it into the game. While it was sometimes a little fun to make a Hawke that made extensive use of the Blooming Rose, it felt pretty pointless pretty quickly. And I kinda suspect that was intentional.
I was honestly surprised you couldn't invite Isabella to join you and a prostitute at the Blooming Rose, given you could at The Pearl.
evil + evil not equal good. If you had it worse it don't give you right to be .... about it.
I love how people who use the "don't fight fire with fire" argument are generally not the ones getting engulfed in proverbial flames all the time.
And as far as brothels are concerned, thanks but no thanks. It'd be nice to actually not have one for once.
Because prostitutes didn't wear clothes...
Yes because that's exactly what I meant... *facepalm*
And as far as brothels are concerned, thanks but no thanks. It'd be nice to actually not have one for once.
Thedas is full of places with brothels. If we visit an Orlesian city, I'll be surprised if there wasn't one.
Thedas is full of places with brothels. If we visit an Orlesian city, I'll be surprised if there wasn't one.
"Yeah sorry, I know the world is ending and I'm the only one who can stop it and all that but I have to go to this Orlesian whorehouse first..."
I'll pass on a game that treats women like objects to be desired and attained rather than DA, which treats them like people
Lovely comment. Perhaps you are also going tell me that all women prostitutes are special snowflakes that have been oppressed ? 
Women are not objects, no matter how much you want it to be true. Women are individuals who make their own choices. Women have agency, they are not perpetual victims.
A woman who chooses to be a prostitute is not oppressed or suddenly becomes just an object to be attained. A consensual prostitute is just a woman engaging in a business transaction where she exchanges sex willingly for resources which in this case is money. She is, in this regard, no different from a blacksmith or a herbalist or an enchanter or a general goods trader.
So far in The Witcher series, the prostitutes that the main character, Geralt, have come across and have the pleasure of having sexual intercourse with, do not in any way, seem to be forced to be there. This is no different than prostitutes in countries like Germany and Australia, where they willingly ply their trade.
Furthermore, women who willingly become prostitutes in this fashion are actually recognized by some degree as workers and therefore actually treated as such instead of slutty women or lesser women or trashy women.
Additionally, what does "treated like people" mean ?
Morrigan puts it very nicely:- "In my experience, everyone pays for sex." I love that woman. 
Everyone. When you enter into a romantic relationship with another person, one of the goals is to have sex with this said person. To that end you court them, you buy them gifts, you spend your time with them, you be emotionally vulnerable to them, etc. One of the goals of this is to engage in sexual intercourse and to that end you are investing your resources which are your money, your time and your emotions into the relationship.
When a person has sex with a prostitute willingly, the fundamental dynamic remain the same. One gives a way money for sex while the other receives money in return for sex.
Does this mean having sex with a prostitute in a consensual manner equates to objectification, oppression and treating others as lesser beings ? No. It is a different path for a person to gain access to sex and resources. It is not a worse path or a better path or morally superior path. It is a different path. A more streamlined, more business-like, more direct path.
This is why CDPR's depiction of prostitutes are, again, better. The prostitutes in The Witcher series are plying their trade in a consensual manner and there is an adult scene when Geralt access their services. Overall, it is depicted in a way mature and understanding adults would depict prostitution.
If anything, the statement you made shows that you have very limited view on sex, you do not view women as beings capable of acting on their own volition and you think of people who are willing to act in a more business-like and direct fashion as lesser peoples or even non-peoples.
It is a statement full of ignorance and naivety, signifying lack of mature thinking.
If you think being a sex worker is no different than a black smith or a shop keeper then I would argue you have no real understanding of what actual sex workers go through, and it's not some sexism and abuse free capitalist wet dream.
I could go either way on brothels. Even though it's already established that they exist, being able to actually visit one is not something I'd consider terribly important, but then being able to visit one isn't much of a reason to object either. It's not like we can mistreat the people that work there, unless stabbing Idunna the bloodmage counts. Overall brothels have been fairly benign in DA, and as far as I can tell, both that we've come across so far were run by women. Generally though, I think it really depends on the setting, so if we visit a bustling city, it would be surprising that one doesn't exist there. Being able to actually visit it is a different matter, at least for anything beyond a quest that may lead us there, like Enemies Among Us in DA2.
"Yeah sorry, I know the world is ending and I'm the only one who can stop it and all that but I have to go to this Orlesian ****** house first..."
Going to a brothel would be like having a drink at a tavern. "The world is ending" but isn't that just one more reason to lay off some pressure? I don't know about you, but I would do that. It's not like we're picking one over the other. If the situation is really so dire then wouldn't we also not have romances in the game(which also entail sex at the end)?
"Yeah sorry, I know the world is ending and I'm the only one who can stop it and all that but I have to go find the love of my life and have sex with her first"
Female objectification analysis and bewbs discussion all in one thread.
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Plot and story has always driven what happens in BioWare games so I suspect whatever will be presented in DAI will be nicely done.
(It's already decided and complete anyway).
I would also expect Halamshiral to be untroubled by the Breach and so would expect the taverns and brothels to be operating as usual.
Quoting from the DAI site:
"Civil war has ravaged the Orlesian countryside for months, but you'd never know it in Halamshiral. The nobles carry on as they always have, seemingly unaffected by the chaos surrounding them. You certainly won't hear the merchants complain about that, though. Not so long as the sovereigns continue to line their pockets."
We need a 'Brothel of Slating Intellectual Desires' run by a Succubus.
I wonder how many people know what this is in reference to, and how many people just want a succubus-run brothel?
I completely agree with Beerfish! I think it'd be awesome if the succubus was called either Vrischika, and voiced by Jennifer Hale.
"Yeah sorry, I know the world is ending and I'm the only one who can stop it and all that but I have to go to this Orlesian whorehouse first..."
So let's cut everything from Dragon Age Inquisition what is not dirrectly linked to the world ending problems? Maybe starting with the companion romances?
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