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[tanzensehen]

I liked jealousy, especially with random people (like Tallis or Zevran), but I'm really not up for it if they start acting like Morrigan and Leliana over the Warden.

 

I know they already had issues so it's not a surprise, but it was more a lot more uncomfortable than Fenris and Anders. Even if they hate each other and Hawke was being serious with both of them, not keeping them warm in a lonely tent.

 

Also please, I know that it never happened in DA, but no "I never knew you were into women YOU WERE LEADING ME ON" thing. Especially if there isn't any "I'm just not into you" option. I hated that conversation with Kaidan in ME. Cortez in ME3 was totally fine, thought

(But still no - "I like both!" option)

 

On a side-note, what I'd like more is a companion who addresses their problem about what the PC is doing.
One thing I didn't like about romancing Sebastian is that he expected me to never flirt to anyone even before we ever met.

Like dude, really, just tell me or something. 

 

Especially because the Blooming Rose, Zevran and Tallis instead were totally fine and there is no way to know in-game that he is fine about you being with everyone you want as long as your heart belongs to him only.

[ReelRipper]

As amusing as the jealousy conversations are at times I always wanted a moment where the player pays for his/her actions instead of being a complete Sue and Karma Houdini.

For example I always imagined if a player cheated on Sera she would pull off some devious prank to get back at the Inquisitor for playing her. Or Cassandra breaking the guys nose and knocking him out. Maybe Josephine will poor ink into Inquisitor's tea. Or maybe Iron Bull pulling a Bane on the Inquisitor leading to a non-standard Game Over.

Sorry its just these kind of things make me a bit angry.

[In Exile]

This is only true if you believe in compulsory monogamy.

My sleeping with someone does not mean we're in a relationship. My being in a relationship does not mean I will sleep with no one else.

It's fine for an LI to equate sex with romance and want a romance to be monogamous. They actually have to express this though, it is not a default. By having two LIs autodump you because you've flirted with both, you're making monogamy compulsory.

It's an attitude that assumes people can have ownership over other's bodies and I don't like it.

 

I'm with you entirely. I accept that IRL, the default expectation is monogamy and that at some point, cultural tropes will lead people to suppose that we are exclusive. But sex one time is not - and should not - be enough to trigger that expectation even in a world where monogamy is the default. And even if it were the case that I was in a romance and by having sex with someone I agreed that we were exclusive, that shouldn't mean I can't flirt. 

 

The notion that sexual exclusivity means, for example, emotional exclusivity or ... a weird sort of no flirting rule actually bothers me more than the idea that sex implies exclusivity (because that's at least an obvious assumption I can just address myself). 

[ClassicBox]

User

You stated in the panel that you can't have two romances but can you be in a romance and still flirt with the non companion?

 

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes

Once you have started a romance, most flirts with everyone else get locked off. A few friendly ones might stick around, though.

 

 

From Twitter.

 

:o

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Monogamy 1

Polygamy 0 

[HuldraDancer]

Would be nice to know if protective friend banter was in or not thats the banter I'm most looking forward to ):

[Tamyn]

Does that twitter post mean we won't get any confrontations of two love interests forcing us to choose between them? And does it lock you out of flirting with another LI after the first flirt, even though the relationship isn't serious yet?

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Hopefully~ 

[In Exile]

Monogamy 1

Polygamy 0 

It's not really just about monogamy; flirting with other people doesn't mean you're going to sleep with them. It's actually a real problem in our society that people equate flirting with, say, an actual interest in sex or a relationship. Sometimes flirting is just fun. 

[Ceoldoren]

It's not really just about monogamy; flirting with other people doesn't mean you're going to sleep with them. It's actually a real problem in our society that people equate flirting with, say, an actual interest in sex or a relationship. Sometimes flirting is just fun. 

I've always operated under an assumption that it's better to just not flirt with anyone if I'm in a relationship. Because in my experience it just leads to someones feelings getting hurt.

[mlgumm]

Well, he says we still get a few friendly flirt options. That's good enough for me.

[HuldraDancer]

I've always operated under an assumption that it's better to just not flirt with anyone if I'm in a relationship. Because in my experience it just leads to someones feelings getting hurt.

That is a very good way to look at it in my opinion, the only kind of thing I really don't get is when people get mad at their partner for LOOKING at someone else (and i do know people who get ticked off when someone they are dating is hanging out with friends alone or when they merely look at someone and note that that person is attractive. I don't get that at all.) But flirting with someone else while in a relationship especially in front of the person you are with? Unless they know its 100% joke flirting then that can come off as very hurtful to the other party. In my opinion if someone I was with was looking at our waiter/waitress on a date I'd shrug it off but if they were outright flirting with them then yeah I'd be hurt and mad about that. 

[KBomb]

That is a very good way to look at it in my opinion, the only kind of thing I really don't get is when people get mad at their partner for LOOKING at someone else (and i do know people who get ticked off when someone they are dating is hanging out with friends alone or when they merely look at someone and note that that person is attractive. I don't get that at all.) But flirting with someone else while in a relationship especially in front of the person you are with? Unless they know its 100% joke flirting then that can come off as very hurtful to the other party. In my opinion if someone I was with was looking at our waiter/waitress on a date I'd shrug it off but if they were outright flirting with them then yeah I'd be hurt and mad about that.

I'm not quite sure In Exile is saying its okay to flirt in front of your partner or whatnot. I think he is saying that flirting doesn't equal cheating and just because someone does flirt, it doesn't mean that they have the intention of cheating. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Most of the time being flirty is just innocent fun. I would never openly flirt with anyone in front of my partner (unless its just playful banter) out of respect for him, but if I did, I would hope that he would trust me enough and be secure enough that he wouldn't dump me over it. Not that it matters because I am the world's worst flirt. I am oblivious in receiving it and awkward when giving it.

[HuldraDancer]

I'm not quite sure In Exile is saying its okay to flirt in front of your partner or whatnot. I think he is saying that flirting doesn't equal cheating and just because someone does flirt, it doesn't mean that they have the intention of cheating. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Most of the time being flirty is just innocent fun. I would never openly flirt with anyone in front of my partner (unless its just playful banter) out of respect for him, but if I did, I would hope that he would trust me enough and be secure enough that he wouldn't dump me over it. Not that it matters because I am the world's worst flirt. I am oblivious in receiving it and awkward when giving it.

I wasn't quoting Exile's post^^; Though the person I was quoting may have been. I don't equal flirting to cheating either but I still think its disrespectful to your partner but thats just me. But my experience with relationships are usually as an observer and most of them have been pretty damn mentally abusive so that could very well color my opinion of things. Since I've dealt with my best friend's ex boyfriends telling them they couldn't hang out with guy friends anymore or flat out accusing them of sleeping around with no evidence then turn around and start hitting on me in front of them. So I admit I am totally bias about this because of experiences like that. Joke flirting I'm fine with so long as its clear that its just joking around but it if was genuinely flirting with someone else I couldn't help but find it hurtful. If that makes any sense at all. (I am terrible at explaining things so I apologize if this comes out a cluttered mess)

[KBomb]

I wasn't quoting Exile's post^^; Though the person I was quoting may have been. I don't equal flirting to cheating either but I still think its disrespectful to your partner but thats just me. But my experience with relationships are usually as an observer and most of them have been pretty damn mentally abusive so that could very well color my opinion of things. Since I've dealt with my best friend's ex boyfriends telling them they couldn't hang out with guy friends anymore or flat out accusing them of sleeping around with no evidence then turn around and start hitting on me in front of them. So I admit I am totally bias about this because of experiences like that. Joke flirting I'm fine with so long as its clear that its just joking around but it if was genuinely flirting with someone else I couldn't help but find it hurtful. If that makes any sense at all. (I am terrible at explaining things so I apologize if this comes out a cluttered mess)

I was just kind of replying to you both since both replies relied on In Exile's statement. Sorry if I confused you. And yeah, you described some pretty vile behavior and I can see that making one a bit jaded. I think those examples go beyond jealousy though and begins to dip into emotional abuse through control.

I have three best friends, two of which are male and I would never tolerate someone telling me I wasn't "allowed" to be friends with them or anyone for that matter. As I said earlier, I loathe jealousy and it's a huge, huge red flag to me. Maria made an excellent point why it can be interesting in a game, I just wouldn't deal with it in real life, though.

[HuldraDancer]

I was just kind of replying to you both since both replies relied on In Exile's statement. Sorry if I confused you. And yeah, you described some pretty vile behavior and I can see that making one a bit jaded. I think those examples go beyond jealousy though and begins to dip into emotional abuse through control.

I have three best friends, two of which are male and I would never tolerate someone telling me I wasn't "allowed" to be friends with them or anyone for that matter. As I said earlier, I loathe jealousy and it's a huge, huge red flag to me. Maria made an excellent point why it can be interesting in a game, I just wouldn't deal with it in real life, though.

My mistake then^^; Yes that behavior was vile and sadly ended my friendship for a while after I kicked the guy in the groin for trying to do that sh*t to my friend then try to blame it on them. I know its an extreme and not all relationships are like this but it is sadly the only experience with things like jealousy in romantic relationships I have had so I am completely aware I've got an 'old sour puss who hates everyone' mentality on it^^;

 

Sad thing was about the 'you can't be friends with this person because I don't like it'  thing was that almost everyone agreed with the guy, ignoring the fact my friend had this friend for almost a year before dating this other guy 

You mean the one where sex doesn't equal relationship? I think I understood what she meant by it but I don't see anything like that going in the game without some flag bugs happening. (Or I could be missing which one you mean entirely possible its nearing 2 am for me^^;; )