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[CosmicGnosis]

I love Mass Effect 3. I think it's the best game in the trilogy. Yes, I started with Mass Effect 1 back in 2007, so it's certainly possible to have been a fan in the early days and still come to the conclusion that Mass Effect 3 is a fantastic game. 

 

Of course, ME3 has some problems, and the most significant ones revolve around the ending. But I still respect the overall attempt, even if it was somewhat misguided. There are things that I actually really like about the ending, and I try to focus on those more than the negative aspects. 

 

Unfortunately, there are people who can't, or won't, appreciate the game as much as I do. And some of these people actually hate the game, and may even be outright disgusted by it. It kind of puts me in a minor existential crisis. Am I wrong to like this game? Are they wrong to hate this game? Is there any way to objectively analyze a story and declare if it's good or bad? Obviously, the answer to every question is "no". It's all subjective. Something that excites me and brings me joy may bring misery and despair to someone else. 

 

So what brought this on, you ask? Well, one of my favorite Youtubers, whom I respect a lot, recently replayed ME3. He has been very vocal about his disdain for the ending, and this replay allowed him to reconsider a few things. But it was inevitable; after the ending, which he clearly hated, he couldn't have been more eager to uninstall the game. It's just all very sad. It's sad that BioWare decided to take the game down a certain path that they weren't prepared for and botched this franchise for so many people. It's sad for those people who can no longer enjoy Mass Effect, and it's sad for people like me who still love it, but must continue to navigate the labyrinth of despair and anger that surrounds the franchise. 

 

I'm tired of defending ME3. I'm tired of explaining why I like it. I'm tired of feeling like I'm not supposed to like it. I'm tired of the arguments where the two opposing sides use "irrefutable logic" to vanquish each other. And I truly resent the implication that I'm kind of a bad person because I can understand the Catalyst's perspective. 

 

I truly hope that I won't have to defend the next Mass Effect game. 

[Dabrikishaw]

No one's wrong for how they feel about the game, you're over-thinking it.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I love Mass Effect 3. I think it's the best game in the trilogy. Yes, I started with Mass Effect 1 back in 2007, so it's certainly possible to have been a fan in the early days and still come to the conclusion that Mass Effect 3 is a fantastic game. 

 

Of course, ME3 has some problems, and the most significant ones revolve around the ending. But I still respect the overall attempt, even if it was somewhat misguided. There are things that I actually really like about the ending, and I try to focus on those more than the negative aspects. 

 

Unfortunately, there are people who can't, or won't, appreciate the game as much as I do. And some of these people actually hate the game, and may even be outright disgusted by it. It kind of puts me in a minor existential crisis. Am I wrong to like this game? Are they wrong to hate this game? Is there any way to objectively analyze a story and declare if it's good or bad? Obviously, the answer to every question is "no". It's all subjective. Something that excites me and brings me joy may bring misery and depression to someone else. 

 

So what brought this on, you ask? Well, one of my favorite Youtubers, whom I respect a lot, recently replayed ME3. He has been very vocal about his disdain for the ending, and this replay allowed him to reconsider a few things. But it was inevitable; after the ending, which he clearly hated, he couldn't have been more eager to uninstall the game. It's just all very sad. It's sad that BioWare decided to take the game down a certain path that they weren't prepared for and botched this franchise for so many people. It's sad for those people who can no longer enjoy Mass Effect, and it's sad for people like me who still love it, but must continue to navigate the labyrinth of despair and anger that surrounds the franchise. 

 

I'm tired of defending ME3. I'm tired of explaining why I like it. I'm tired of feeling like I'm not supposed to like it. I'm tired of the arguments where the two opposing sides use "irrefutable logic" to vanquish each other. And I truly resent the implication that I'm kind of a bad person because I can understand the Catalyst's perspective. 

 

I truly hope that I won't have to defend the next Mass Effect game. 

 

Honestly, I simply wouldn't bother defending it, or attacking it. At this point people are pretty set on defending it as good or bad. Personallty, I think the ending is underwhelming, I have a bunch of nitpicky reasons why that is the case, but it shouldn't bother you. If you enjoy the ending keep on enjoying it. Deep down I can say I am honestly jealous of you even if I don't agree with you.

[Jorji Costava]

Out of curiosity, to what Youtuber are you referring?

 

As far as liking things other people don't like, I don't see it as being much of a big deal. I like Castlevania II: Simon's Quest, even though it's widely hated and guys like AVGN and Egoraptor poop all over it. I even kinda sorta like Star Control 3; to provide some perspective, the way people responded to ME3's ending is the way people responded to the entirety of Star Control 3.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I gotta say, and I know it's only one sentence in your post out of several paragraphs which I mostly completely disagree with, but are you seriously implying that because you 'get' the ending and like it, that you're somehow a bigger, better fan of the franchise than those who don't?

[CosmicGnosis]

Out of curiosity, to what Youtuber are you referring?

Archengeia.

 

I gotta say, and I know it's only one sentence in your post out of several paragraphs which I mostly completely disagree with, but are you seriously implying that because you 'get' the ending and like it, that you're somehow a bigger, better fan of the franchise than those who don't?

Maybe? I honestly don't have an answer. Who is the bigger fan: the person who continues to love the franchise, or the person who was disappointed by the latest entry and can no longer enjoy the previous games? 

 

And I don't know if I truly "get" the ending. I have read many fascinating interpretations that seem consistent with the themes of Mass Effect, but no one really knows what Hudson and Walters were aiming for. 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Maybe? I honestly don't have an answer. Who is the bigger fan: the person who continues to love the franchise, or the person who was disappointed by the latest entry and can no longer enjoy the previous games? 

 

And I don't know if I truly "get" the ending. I have read many fascinating interpretations that seem consistent with the themes of Mass Effect, but no one really knows what Hudson and Walters were aiming for. 

 

Well, in England, the word 'fan' is short for fanatic, and they tend to use the word supporter much more (at least in the realm of sports... when I lived there... almost 10 years ago...)

 

Where am I going with this?

 

When's a good time to give up or to stay with the series? The ending did ravage a lot of the enjoyment for the series; as a climactic work, the ending was severely disconnected in many ways from many of the other heavy foundations of the series up to that point. To see a lot of the those elements relegated to meaningless fixtures in an ending and conclusion that was divorced from very many of them left a lot of people understandably upset, bitter, and resentful over the series for essentially wasting their time. It very much was a Gainax Ending (look it up on tv tropes). That's how I can understand how many people could lose their interest in the series, since the creators are changing it into something they personally wanted it to be (without input from even other creators on the project). It's a case of 'they changed it, now it sucks' to an extent. Not a lot of people would say that a person is a 'true fan' just because they decide to stick with the company's products just because it has the company logo on the cover.

[mybudgee]

Surreal is not the correct word OP

[KaiserShep]

I'd say it's surreal for someone to love Uwe Boll movies. I actually met someone who does, and my mind is still letting that sink in.

[KaiserShep]

 It very much was a Gainax Ending (look it up on tv tropes).

 

The depression of NGE's creator was almost palpable, in both the really crappy original ending and the wholly weird End of Evangelion. It was certainly interesting, but only something I could really care to muster up the enthusiasm to sit through once. It's as if someone took a giant bowl full of gruel, and then spiced it up with spoonfuls of sriracha. It's still depressing, but at least it has kick. Mass Effect 3's original ending had a similar flavor to it.

[Shuidizi]

My impression is despite a lot of people who hate the ending, they still really like the game. But again I think your issue is not with "most people", just with the particular person who you care about a lot and somehow you have a huge difference in regard to ME3. I think for you to enjoy ME3 completely, you simply have to let that go, and realize this game as well as the trilogy is held in very special place and loved by many people.

 

What also might help is look for youtube playthroughs where people actually really appreciate the game for what it is, and the best can happen if their emotions as they reached the ending resonate with yours. I remember watching Schaly's let's play on youtube and she kind of gasped out loud in the destroy ending when Shepard breathes. That kind of moment always gave me a huge smile on my face because that was my reaction too. 

[dreamgazer]

The number of Gainax Ending examples on TVTropes, both games and films, is amusing.

Anyway, is this the first time you've appreciated something with some hate, OP?

[KaiserShep]

On the bright side, Shepard wasn't thoroughly mired in a pit of hopelessness and aggravating depression like Shinji was. The dreams don't really help though.

[Farangbaa]

I refer you to my sig, OP.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I really liked Mass Effect 3 as a whole but I thought the ending was atrocious. Its slightly better with the extended cut, partly because renegade control Shepard is really funny and partly because the 4th option to tell the catalyst it was pretty satisfying (how messed up is it that I find the "everyone dies" ending more satisfying than the others?).

 

But hey I'm not letting my distaste for the ending spoil the rest of the game for me (or even spoil the whole rest of the series as it seems to have for some people). I thought the rest of the game was fantastic, some really emotionally charged scenes. Shepard felt more human than she had in any of the other games (in my opinion of course). I really thought we were heading for the grim ending after all the tearful goodbyes and Liara's time capsule in the back of my mind. Even though I was actually kind of hoping for a happy ending (I know I'm such a wuss) I could respected a bad ending. The Reapers had never been beaten before, it was pretty arrogant to believe it would be any different this time around. Sure I probably would have cried but I think that would have been better than being left going "huh? what the hell was that?" But I'm still willing to forgive the strange nonsensical ending because I enjoyed the rest of the game so much.

 

There's plenty of TV shows over the years that have had endings I didn't care for I just rewrite part of the ending in my mind. Although I did get burned by this technique once, I'd actually came to believe my own ending of Ally McBeal (the denial is strong in this one) to the point that I was actually really confused when I watched it a second time. 

[ahsari2014]

ME-3 is awsum. The catalyst is very rude. The intelligence shows no mercy. It has no empathy . He doesn't give a **** about our personel problems or our paragon or renegade attitude. He is the ultimate evil. (This doesn't show to well in the game). And i like it.

[Farangbaa]

ME-3 is awsum. The catalyst is very rude. The intelligence shows no mercy. It has no empathy . He doesn't give a **** about our personel problems or our paragon or renegade attitude. He is the ultimate evil. (This doesn't show to well in the game). And i like it.

 

The thing is.. that's it's not evil. It's trying to the good thing in a bad way.

[SwobyJ]

ME3 made everything topsy turvy during a 'concluding' act of a trilogy.

 

I both love and hate it for that.

 

My 'final' judgement of it will depend on how it can be seen in retrospect, a couple/few years from now.

 

As it is, I think it is treated at least a bit too harshly than it deserves - but I don't think it wasn't asking for the majority of negative responses it got. It pretty much was, IMO. The devs mostly knew what they were getting into.

 

Hmm, for some reason, the con man turian in Citadel DLC comes to mind. *shrug* Dunno why.

[Oni Changas]

Nothing wrong with liking the game, as most of us do. Thanks to MP and other ps3ers on it, I've found a reason to play it more after my first RGB experience, then I later got most of the dlc. But the way dudes like Archengaiea and Mr.BTongue explained why the ending is garbage and the EC is sugared garbage, there's no way a sane and/or intelligent person could like or even want to defend its content.

[Oni Changas]

I'd say it's surreal for someone to love Uwe Boll movies. I actually met someone who does, and my mind is still letting that sink in.

Hey, Rampage was damned good and well written.

[Farangbaa]

Nothing wrong with liking the game, as most of us do. Thanks to MP and other ps3ers on it, I've found a reason to play it more after my first RGB experience, then I later got most of the dlc. But the way dudes like Archengaiea and Mr.BTongue explained why the ending is garbage and the EC is sugared garbage, there's no way a sane and/or intelligent person could like or even want to defend its content.

http://badassdigest....-mass-effect-3/

Granted, the way he constantly refers to himself in third person as Hulk does not look really sane, but that's a style thing

[Excella Gionne]

No one's forcing you to like anything. It's your own goddamn opinion, and no one can force you to change it. Sure, there's lots of problems within the trilogy, but it's best to enjoy it than to be bothered by flaws. There are many reasons why ME3 is good, and many reasons why it's bad.

[zestalyn]

I see where you're coming from OP. You just have to accept the fact that there are two types of people when it comes to this sort of thing. People who will get so upset over these things, they have to banish it from their lives as a coping mechanism, and those who prefer to hold on to the good memories and experiences and forgive the flaws. I personally will never understand the former and feel a bit bad for them that they have to deal with these things that way, but each to their own. 

[HTTP 404]

I remember when Mass Effect 2 came out, people hated it.  Now that Mass Effect 3 has been out, Mass Effect 2 is a lot of people's favorite.  I guess what I am trying to say to OP is that when the next Mass Effect game comes out, you will be okay with liking Mass Effect 3. 

[Cheviot]

I know that feeling OP.  I too love ME3, endings and all, but people like us weren't allowed to have an opinion back when the game was released.  You hit the nail on the head when you wrote:

 

 

I'm tired of feeling like I'm not supposed to like it.

Back then, anyone who said they liked the endings, and could explain why they thought that way, were talked down to as if they were idiots.