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[Obadiah]

The codex gives a pretty good description of how the Genophage works. It is not instantaneous, but it is complete. Perhaps that is how the Synthesis wave works - dispersal of some initial "infection" (quotes because inert armor is affected) which has a more complete effect over time.

[dreamgazer]

That it "cannot be forced."

Yeah, that's the part of the conversation where the Catalyst flat out loses my acknowledgment and turns all of my Shepards impatient. They humor it during Control despite their clear feelings about finality, since the idea sounds remotely appealing to two of 'em for entirely different reasons. And they don't discount the extensive power of the Crucible-relays combo through its spiel about the non-destroy alternatives, despite the lingering lack of trust throughout the rest of the conversation. Then ... "It is not something that can be forced". Mmkay, got it. What? I'm ready? Yeah, I sure am.



Bang, bang.

[Humakt83]

I trust neither the whole scene or the epilogues after it. Way too much symbology, oddworks and dreamlike qualities for me to start being naive about things. Child certainly appears as a literal god from the machine with Shepard even on his knees. Not only he has form of earthchild but he has Shepard's own voice as an echo. And why the rush? What is going to destroy Crucible? Surely not that Reaper literally flying over Shepard.

First line of conversation: Wake up.

I don't think Shepard woke up.

[Ieldra]

It's also not evidence. For example, the question of why we've never seen or heard God if he exists; I can say that the reason we have never seen or heard God is because he's on vacation in another universe. That alone isn't evidence that he exists. It's just speculation. Speculation without empirical data to support it is pointless. which is why speculative threads - while certainly entertaining - are ultimately pointless. We can only judge the game based on the contents within the game.

In that case, we'd be left with "It's all nonsense based on disproven pseudoscientific concepts" and all we can do is move on. That's just not satisfying. If I can come up with speculation that makes sense and fits the evidence, I have a working hypothesis. I can't (dis)prove it without experimentation, and of course I can't do that in a fictional universe, but it's still way better than the pure und unreflected contents of the game. 

[AlanC9]

I trust neither the whole scene or the epilogues after it. Way too much symbology, oddworks and dreamlike qualities for me to start being naive about things. Child certainly appears as a literal god from the machine with Shepard even on his knees. Not only he has form of earthchild but he has Shepard's own voice as an echo. And why the rush? What is going to destroy Crucible? Surely not that Reaper literally flying over Shepard.
First line of conversation: Wake up.
I don't think Shepard woke up.

This is a bit silly. Are you actually saying that the Crucible is invulnerable? The rest of the IT rubbish I'll leave alone.

[Humakt83]

This is a bit silly. Are you actually saying that the Crucible is invulnerable? The rest of the IT rubbish I'll leave alone.

It is not, but who is going to destroy it?

I'll leave alone rest of your rubbish remark

[Farangbaa]

It is not, but who is going to destroy it?

 

Those Reapers that keep shooting at it.

[Iakus]

We're going to have to take the Catalyst at his mystical word here: organics were not ready before. The Catalyst said that he's tried before and it's failed, and he's concluded that it's something the galaxy must choose for itself. That it "cannot be forced."

 

Now if you accept that these words are true from his point of view, you start getting into interesting questions about what constitutes readiness for the Catalyst.

Actually it makes me wonder what sort of nonprescription pharmecuticals went into the inspiration for that choice...

[CronoDragoon]

It is not, but who is going to destroy it?

 

Run partway up a choice ramp and then go back down sometime. Unless they patched that out.

[AlanC9]

It is not, but who is going to destroy it?

The Reapers, duh. Or are you a believer in one of those IT variants where the Reapers wanted the Crucible used? I can't keep your mythology straight anymore.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

It is not, but who is going to destroy it?

I'll leave alone rest of your rubbish remark

 

What you're saying really is rubbish though. The Crucible is being attacked by the Reapers.

 

Have you ever gone to the chamber and waited 5 minutes? You get a game over screen telling you that you took too much time to make your decision and that the Crucible was destroyed by the Reapers.

 

That completely destroys your argument.

[Arcian]

In that case, we'd be left with "It's all nonsense based on disproven pseudoscientific concepts" and all we can do is move on. That's just not satisfying. If I can come up with speculation that makes sense and fits the evidence, I have a working hypothesis. I can't (dis)prove it without experimentation, and of course I can't do that in a fictional universe, but it's still way better than the pure und unreflected contents of the game. 

Building an answer from speculations is like building a castle from bricks of air. No matter how you look at it, it's just pretense in the end. Belief, if you will.

 

I can't deny that it's satisfying, though. The allure of belief is why there is 6 billion people who subscribe to the existence of a higher power.

[Obadiah]

Building an answer from speculations is like building a castle from bricks of air. No matter how you look at it, it's just pretense in the end. Belief, if you will

In the context of the fictional universe of Mass Effect, the ending we chose actually did happen. There is nothing wrong with speculating on how it was accomplished or what its effects are. If this was a real universe, that would be the first step in coming up with scientific theories to be tested.

[Iakus]

The Reapers, duh. Or are you a believer in one of those IT variants where the Reapers wanted the Crucible used? I can't keep your mythology straight anymore.

If you'd put away your snark for a moment, you'd see the point of the question.

 

The Catalyst wants Shepard to enact one of its new "solutions", since it's old solution "won't work anymore".   Yet at the same time it's destroying that which allows these solutions to take place.

 

We are not talking about Shepard taking a stand, or shooting the hologram.  Just standing there, perhaps pondering the ramifications of these galaxy-wide changes.  In the meantime, the Reapers are continuing to take potshots at the Crucible.

 

WTF?

[Liec]

If you'd put away your snark for a moment, you'd see the point of the question.

 

The Catalyst wants Shepard to enact one of its new "solutions", since it's old solution "won't work anymore".   Yet at the same time it's destroying that which allows these solutions to take place.

 

We are not talking about Shepard taking a stand, or shooting the hologram.  Just standing there, perhaps pondering the ramifications of these galaxy-wide changes.  In the meantime, the Reapers are continuing to take potshots at the Crucible.

 

WTF?

 

The Catalyst wants Shepard to enact a new solution, but he initially went there to destroy the Reapers. Until the Crucible is actually used to enact Control or Synthesis, the Reapers must assume that he'll use the Crucible to destroy them, that's why they continue to attack it.

[Teddie Sage]

Why should it bother you if someone else dislikes something you like? I hate ME3 but I respect the fact you love it. *shrugs*

[CosmicGnosis]

Why should it bother you if someone else dislikes something you like? I hate ME3 but I respect the fact you love it. *shrugs*

Because popular opinion can shape the future of whatever it is that I like. 

[Teddie Sage]

Let's just accept the fact that this third game wasn't going to make everyone happy to begin with. They stated it many times through interviews.

[CronoDragoon]

If you'd put away your snark for a moment, you'd see the point of the question.

 

Alan put away the snark?! Might as well ask me to stop making inane semantic arguments! Might as well ask yourself to stop appealing to emotion! Might as well ask David to stop getting banned!

[KaiserShep]

Alan put away the snark?! Might as well ask me to stop making inane semantic arguments! Might as well ask yourself to stop appealing to emotion! Might as well ask David to stop getting banned!

 

Might as well ask us to stop breathing or cancel our internet services. Either is pretty much death.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Alan put away the snark?! Might as well ask me to stop making inane semantic arguments! Might as well ask yourself to stop appealing to emotion! Might as well ask David to stop getting banned!

 

That's iakus for you.

 

Granted, there's nothing wrong with basing your logic and philosophy on irrational arguments. There is no definitive answer for insane troll logic or insensibility. A particular love is smashing philosophers. Metaphorically and literally.

[Iakus]

The Catalyst wants Shepard to enact a new solution, but he initially went there to destroy the Reapers. Until the Crucible is actually used to enact Control or Synthesis, the Reapers must assume that he'll use the Crucible to destroy them, that's why they continue to attack it.

So....why not just let him bleed out on the floor if the Catalyst has to make that assumption?

[KaiserShep]

The fact that the Catalyst will go through the motions even if Destroy is the only option the Crucible provides lends to the idea that the device actually overrides the Catalyst, allowing Shepard to make this decision whether it likes it or not. The Catalyst even says that it prefers not to be replaced when touching on the topic of Control. Of course, the presentation is very vague and sloppy so it's basically up to how much headcanon the player is willing to invest.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The fact that the Catalyst will go through the motions even if Destroy is the only option the Crucible provides lends to the idea that the device actually overrides the Catalyst, allowing Shepard to make this decision whether it likes it or not. The Catalyst even says that it prefers not to be replaced when touching on the topic of Control. Of course, the presentation is very vague and sloppy so it's basically up to how much headcanon the player is willing to invest.

 

That's what I reason too. Although it doesn't make much sense why the Crucible has such a function (couldn't the developers have included that in a readme.txt file?), it makes more sense than the alternative that the Catalyst obliges Shepard because he's space Jesus.

[AlanC9]

Although it doesn't make much sense why the Crucible has such a function (couldn't the developers have included that in a readme.txt file?), .

Maybe they did, but it was in the part of the data that TIM got and Shepard didn't.