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[Aaleel]

You kidding me? She was so pure Cerberus that she was nicknamed the Cerberus Cheerleader by Jack, and was constantly going on about how awesome Cerberus was in just about every conversation you had with her that wasn't about her sister or about her romance.

 

That's not entirely true, if a person is a zealot they'll defend what they believe no matter.  In ME2 if you did the Cerberus missions in ME1 and ask Miranda about them she'll say Cerberus was wrong, dead wrong in doing those and what they did to the children where Jack was.  Then she pretty much says they're bad factions in any organization but she believed Cerberus can serve a good.  She never came across to me as a zealot.

 

Leliana does look like she's dealing with some things in DA:I but you can't really judge her a zealot until you get all the background in the actual game.

[9TailsFox]

She failed to protect Justinia V so now she is all angry. And she always was crazy so no surprise.

 

EDIT:I mistook Celene I with Justinia V thanks for fixing me.

[Herr Uhl]

She failed to protect empres Celene so now she is all angry. And she always was crazy so no surprise.

I think you might have your vaguely French female NPCs mixed up.

[9TailsFox]

That's not entirely true, if a person is a zealot they'll defend what they believe no matter.  In ME2 if you did the Cerberus missions in ME1 and ask Miranda about them she'll say Cerberus was wrong, dead wrong in doing those and what they did to the children where Jack was.  Then she pretty much says they're bad factions in any organization but she believed Cerberus can serve a good.  She never came across to me as a zealot.

 

Leliana does look like she's dealing with some things in DA:I but you can't really judge her a zealot until you get all the background in the actual game.

We get Leliana background in DA:O she fit zealot description perfect. 

[The Elder King]

Supports my claim tha pc is railroaded to support chantry, or atleast previous status quo. You just can't have religious fanatics(right hand of divine and seeker enforcer) in your team and turn against chantry.

They already said (don't recall if to you or Vilegrim though) that you can't destroy the Chantry in DAI.
We can howewer have a neutral (and possibly anti as well) stance.
As for the Inquisition, the best I think you can hope is that you can develop it as neutral to the Chantry, though i think you can develop it as chaotic in general. You can't just destroy the chantry

So what is the cornerstone of Inquisition. How it came to be? Is the protag the founder and namegiver of Inquisition? Or maybe its a joined decision, a consensus of core party members? Are we given any info on the matter or will it be explained and introduced with the game itself?

Spoiler

a fledging Inquisition existed already at the end o DA2 (the army at the end to the game). It was created probably with the goal of ending the mage-templar war. After ten Breach, Cassandra takes advantage of a loophole to make it indipendant from the Chantry.

[The Elder King]

She failed to protect empres Celene so now she is all angry. And she always was crazy so no surprise.

She's Justinia's bodyguard, not Celene's.

[Rawgrim]

Not sure if she is a fanatic, but she is giving me a bad vibe.

[phantomrachie]

We have only really seen Leliana in what seems like it's a rather out of character moment.

 

Though I am a touch concerned, because Bioware's off-screen character development isn't something I've been overly keen on in the past.

 

It's been years since we've seen Leliana, if she were exactly the same as when we last saw her I'd be freaked out, especially considering what she has been through since Origins. 

 

If you think about the circumstances - I don't think its out of character.

 

Spoiler

She has been working as the Left Hand of the Divine, 

She's saw the start of the Mage Rebellion in Orlas and the death of Wynne.

Inquisition starts with the death of a large number of chantry members and possible the Divine herself, Leliana's friend and rescuer. 

 

The World is falling apart around her, if she was still the same Leliana it would be weird.

[hangmans tree]

Ok, I found what I was looking for. It was just under my nose really

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Inquisition

So the modern Inq. stems from Chantry and is a backup plan in case of Chantry's diaspora of sorts. It seems we are agents of Chantry and have loyal operatives of the Divine under command. So it ideed seems as if Inq. is an armed forces of the Chantry

[godModeAlpha]

It seems the name of Inquisition sets the tone then and attracts certain shade of characters. It maybe a too far fetched but we have Cassandra, a fanatic to a degree, and now Leliana which also sways the warrior-priest tendency.
Wil we have a choice if the Inquisition is pro, anti or neutral towards relligion? Or is it yet another splinter (cell) of Chantry? Is there a possibility to morph into a heretic organization (not in the pejorative meaning mind you)?

Not sure if we will get a choice, I certainly would like one, but from what I have read and seen so far the inquisition, which consists of people who have religious backgrounds, has a separate agenda, to close the ruptured veil.

[godModeAlpha]

Ok, I found what I was looking for. It was just under my nose really
http://dragonage.wik...iki/Inquisition
So the modern Inq. stems from Chantry and is a backup plan in case of Chantry's diaspora of sorts. It seems we are agents of Chantry and have loyal operatives of the Divine under command. So it ideed seems as if Inq. is an armed forces of the Chantry

Not really. The Divine is assumed dead, the chantry leadership is decimated. Cass and Leliana are ex chantry workers, after reading the QA associated with each of the characters I think everyone of them has an agenda, saving Thedas being the collective agenda, is the highest of priorities.

[The Elder King]

Ok, I found what I was looking for. It was just under my nose really
http://dragonage.wik...iki/Inquisition
So the modern Inq. stems from Chantry and is a backup plan in case of Chantry's diaspora of sorts. It seems we are agents of Chantry and have loyal operatives of the Divine under command. So it ideed seems as if Inq. is an armed forces of the Chantry

We're not read my previous post. Cameron Lee stated it in an interview.

[Uccio]

They already said (don't recall if to you or Vilegrim though) that you can't destroy the Chantry in DAI.
We can howewer have a neutral (and possibly anti as well) stance.
As for the Inquisition, the best I think you can hope is that you can develop it as neutral to the Chantry, though i think you can develop it as chaotic in general. You can't just destroy the chantry

Spoiler

a fledging Inquisition existed already at the end o DA2 (the army at the end to the game). It was created probably with the goal of ending the mage-templar war. After ten Breach, Cassandra takes advantage of a loophole to make it indipendant from the Chantry.

 

Thats why I have my doubts about buying the game. I don´t want to support such a slave system as the chantry/circle is, even in pixel world.

[The Elder King]

Thats why I have my doubts about buying the game. I don´t want to support such a slave system as the chantry/circle is, even in pixel world.

You don't have to support it. You can't just destroy the Chantry. And in regards of the Circle, you can support the mages, so you don't have to support the Circle.

[Darth Death]

 

What changed her? 

I dunno, the sky raining demons has nothing to do with it, I'm sure. She wants "the world back" from those responsible of changing it - mages. 

[JEMEDAOME2]

When has Leliana NOT been a religious fanatic? 

 

Never just simply religious. If you talk to her in origins you find out her views are not in line with others in the cloister (for example she belives The Maker is looking over His children when chantry doctrine says he's gone away, she's always more open to other religions than say Sebastian who scares the hell outta me with his certainty that his religion is the "Right" one

[Medhia_Nox]

I'm fairly certain most people in this thread have never met an actual zealot or fanatic (not necessarily the same).  

 

Leliana is neither.

 

Given her story in Origins, it wouldn't matter if people "Hardened" her.  She admits that she loves doing what she does.  That it calls to her and that she found cloistered life a terrible bore.  She would have turned "back" to it eventually - Warden be damned.  

 

Leliana is a shallow, violent woman playing at religious piety.  It's part of the nuanced character everybody always whines about.

[godModeAlpha]

jesus this must be the dumbest post I have ever seen
You do understand that you don'T have to support the chantry/circle system in DA:I hell you never had to
And just because I support it I'm somehow helping a slave system
no just no..

Had Ukki known about the option I don't think the question would have been asked. Ease up

I too support the chantry at every turn. But like the idea of having the option to choose.

[Wulfram]

It's been years since we've seen Leliana, if she were exactly the same as when we last saw her I'd be freaked out, especially considering what she has been through since Origins. 

 

If you think about the circumstances - I don't think its out of character.

 

I meant "out of character" in the sense that I don't think it will be typical of how she will generally be in the game, because of the events at the start of the demo.

[Eternal Phoenix]

You guys have probably never met a real fanatic.

 

Lelianna is religious not a fanatic. Fanatics only ever speak of religion, Lelianna in Origins spoke of other things and took pleasure in other things.

 

She doesn't seem like a fanatic now either. She just seems colder and more mature.

 

Saying something religious doesn't make you a mindless fanatic. There's a huge difference between someone who follows a religion and is dedicated to it and a fanatic who literally only lives for their religion and will never do anything outside of their religious belief.

 

Fanatics are single minded and will respond aggressively to criticism of religion. Lelianna in Origins was open to discussion of religion and never became aggressive if you or Morrigan attacked her belief or called her crazy for her vision.

 

If anything, I want a more religious character than Lelianna. I want to build a team of ultra religious badasses in Inquisition who always shout "for the Maker!" or so such in battle.

 

Edit:

 

Looks like someone beat me to it.

 

I'm fairly certain most people in this thread have never met an actual zealot or fanatic (not necessarily the same).  

 

Leliana is neither.

 

Given her story in Origins, it wouldn't matter if people "Hardened" her.  She admits that she loves doing what she does.  That it calls to her and that she found cloistered life a terrible bore.  She would have turned "back" to it eventually - Warden be damned.  

 

Leliana is a shallow, violent woman playing at religious piety.  It's part of the nuanced character everybody always whines about.

 

[9TailsFox]

Thats why I have my doubts about buying the game. I don´t want to support such a slave system as the chantry/circle is, even in pixel world.

You for real? In dragon age origin you can be agents chantry. .... the maker. then you talk with Wynne you can express how wrong circle and chantry is. And other multiple opportunity's.

In DA II well DA don't give so much freedom like DA:O in general but still you can oppose chantry and insult Elthina. And you can protect Anders who just blow chantry, and nobody can't oppose Hawke. Go home Sebastian no one touch my BFF.

I at least expect same in DA:I.

[Vilegrim]

I believe we choose the Inquisition's attitude towards religion, old orders, new powers, etc.

 

I think by the end, the characters you have with you more or less are for the Inquisition above all else, including the Chantry. Kinda seems that Bioware wants to make this the next significant world power.

 

Would be interesting to carry over the Inquisition power-state to the next game, which can often acknowledge actions taken as Inquisitor and adjust the next story accordingly (with Warden/Hawke decisions barely mattering if at all anymore?).

 

 

Except every time this is bought up, the 'resistance' becomes more and more hollow with each dev reply.