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[BloodyTalon]

Leliana is a born again religious zealot. She has been that way since DA:O. With the weakening of the Chantry, possible death of the Divine, one can assume that she will only get worse. 

Thinking that will be part of the side things with her keeping her from getting worse or giving her direction has she gets worse, depending on good and bad choices that are allowed.

Based on things with what is being said about Cass, think Leliana is going to  have the polar problem instead of questioning faith she will/may become more blind.

[Writ3Wing3r]

Based on things with what is being said about Cass, think Leliana is going to  have the polar problem instead of questioning faith she will/may become more blind.

 

Or depending on how one looks at her faith, achieve an even greater level of clearity.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Mornmagor:  And you have proven that she was never a fanatic Pre-Inquisition (whether she is now or not cannot be known).

 

Fanatics don't have pleasant conversations with atheist mages who openly and loudly mock her opinions.

 

Fanatics don't ask you what you think about morals, their experience with their religion or their relationship with their god. 

 

Fanatics don't allow you to dictate their course of action if that course opposes their viewpoint (and Leliana is at the Warden's mercy in all save the Ashes).

 

Getting upset at destroying a religious icon (the Ashes) is not a fanatic (and you did not say it was). 

 

Leliana has never been a fanatic.  She's a girl who likes spying, killing, shopping and looking pretty.  She's a debutant with a violent streak and a facade for religiosity.

[Fast Jimmy]

Also given the divine was the same person that saved her when she first fled, that would only increase how she turned more dark.
Deovtion to the marker and to a person can cause a zealot side to come out fully.

All hail Sharpie! Our path be Highlighted! Our sins be Whited Out!

[Karach_Blade]

Spirituality/religious belief does not always equate a fanatic. Were Leliana an actual fanatic, she would have had no dealings with a non-Adrastrian Warden. I think many people here are confusing her justifiable reactions to her entire world being brought down for OOC behavior. She's clearly experiencing PTSD and possibly survivors' guilt. For a person such as Leliana, faith is what keeps her afloat, though she may also have a crisis of faith. Wait and see.

[Senya]

Spirituality/religious belief does not always equate a fanatic. Were Leliana an actual fanatic, she would have had no dealings with a non-Adrastrian Warden. I think many people here are confusing her justifiable reactions to her entire world being brought down for OOC behavior. She's clearly experiencing PTSD and possibly survivors' guilt. For a person such as Leliana, faith is what keeps her afloat, though she may also have a crisis of faith. Wait and see.

I was just about to mention Post Dramatic Stress Disorder. I would be disappointed if a character was unaffected by the end of the world, the death of a friend and possible mother-figure, and cold-blooded torture at the hand of Tevinters.

[Aaleel]

Believing in something doesn't make you a zealot, neither Miranda nor Leliana are zealots. The people in Haven in Dragon Age Origins, Kolgrims people are more my idea of what a zealot is.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To answer the OP, no Leliana is not a fanatic.

[Medhia_Nox]

Not to mention that Leliana is technically a heretic.

 

She claims that she believes that the Maker has not left the world - that she "feels" him in the water, air, etc.  She even states that she doesn't care what the Chantry says, she knows the Maker is still here.  This also is not "fanaticism" - it is conviction.

 

Fanatics also don't leave doubt for things like their visions - where Leliana clearly states that there's no physical booming voice - that's it more of an intuition.  You can doubt an intuition - booming voices are supposed to be authoritative.  You wouldn't use intuition were you a fanatic.

[Mornmagor]

@Mornmagor:  And you have proven that she was never a fanatic Pre-Inquisition (whether she is now or not cannot be known).

 

Fanatics don't have pleasant conversations with atheist mages who openly and loudly mock her opinions.

 

Fanatics don't ask you what you think about morals, their experience with their religion or their relationship with their god. 

 

Fanatics don't allow you to dictate their course of action if that course opposes their viewpoint (and Leliana is at the Warden's mercy in all save the Ashes).

 

Getting upset at destroying a religious icon (the Ashes) is not a fanatic (and you did not say it was). 

 

Leliana has never been a fanatic.  She's a girl who likes spying, killing, shopping and looking pretty.  She's a debutant with a violent streak and a facade for religiosity.

 

She's not a fanatic, indeed. She could be one now, but we can't know.

 

And no, being upset for the Ashes doesn't make her a fanatic, i agree. Destroying something you believe in or its symbol, is not discussing opinions.

 

I think i agree with you, she does seem like an Assassin first and foremost, one that happens to work for the Divine.

[Dabrikishaw]

 

THIS is a Chantry fanatic.

[Killdren88]

THIS is a Chantry fanatic.

My only regret is that it wasn't me that didn't kill this *****

[Red Panda]

 

THIS is a Chantry fanatic.

To be fair, she was only doing what she felt was right, so she had that going for her, which is nice.

 

Also, I wouldn't trust allowing the kossith to not exploit their proximity towards their future adversaries.

[frylock23]

I understand that to some people the mere open admission of faith makes one a fanatic or even a zealot, but that really isn't the case. Leliana is just faithful the way someone is faithful who believes they ought not hide their convictions. Her ability to listen to open criticism of her faith without blindly attacking the person making the criticism should tell you she is no zealot/fanatic, at least not in previous games.

 

What she is now? We don't yet know, but I'm not making any judgments based on how she behaved after just being released from torture. Don't any of you think you'd be a bit ... well, bitter and angry after something like that?

 

Also, why on earth do you think the devs would just go and let you bring down the Chantry in this game? The Chantry, in its own way, is an entity on par with any of the nations. Did they just let you go and dissolve Ferelden or Kirkwall if you decided you didn't like them at all? Basically, letting the player just destroy on of the major entities in the game would be to drastically remake large parts of the underlying world and lore. Yes, you make effect some major changes, but to allow you to knock one of the cornerstone pillars down is something I just don't see happening. I don't even see the ending of the Fade Breaches to be affecting any real end to the cosmology in terms of there being a need for a Veil although there may be some changes.

[iOnlySignIn]

she seems unapologetic, harsh, cold and fanatic.

 

What changed her?

 

The Shadow Broker Flemeth tried to sell Shepard's the Warden's (possibly dead) body to the Collectors Darkspawn.

 

Leliana, as the Warden's (perhaps unrequited) lover, vowed revenge.

 

You know the rest.

[DarthLaxian]

When has Leliana NOT been a religious fanatic? 

 

Indeed - well, she might not have been when she was a bard in Orlais (prior to her DLC...but after the chantry woman (didn't she later become the divine?) rescued her from the prison cell (not that she would have needed it...she was just busy feeling sorry for herself and thus didn't attempt a breakout...) - she probably saw that as kind of divine intervention

 

greetings LAX

[Shadow Fox]

Leliana a fanatic?

 

Heh tell me another.

[TheCreeper]

The Shadow Broker Flemeth tried to sell Shepard's the Warden's (possibly dead) body to the Collectors Darkspawn.

 

Leliana, as the Warden's (perhaps unrequited) lover, vowed revenge.

 

You know the rest.

That doesn't even make sense. People need to stop making parallels to Mass Effect when they don't exist.

 

And no, Leliana is not and has never been a fanatic.

[Bfler]

When has Leliana NOT been a religious fanatic? 

 

At the start of Leliana's song, before the imprisonment, she seems to be more like a cheeky thing. And in Origins, with the quirk with the clothes and all the talk about relationships, she appears girly and not fanatic.

[hangmans tree]

What I would like to distinguish is that I never mentioned Leliana was a fanatic prior DAI. It just struck me after E3 that she might become one. Thus a question: did she and when?

BTW, in the demo it is said that Lelians was captured, impisoned and tortured. But when we find her hanging shes all dressed up in her hood and plate armour... strange to say the least.

[The Elder King]

What I would like to distinguish is that I never mentioned Leliana was a fanatic prior DAI. It just struck me after E3 that she might become one. Thus a question: did she and when?
BTW, in the demo it is said that Lelians was captured, impisoned and tortured. But when we find her hanging shes all dressed up in her hood and plate armour... strange to say the least.

The devs said it's not her definitive model in that scene. They didn't show it for spoiler/story reasons.

[DeathScepter]

Spirituality/religious belief does not always equate a fanatic. Were Leliana an actual fanatic, she would have had no dealings with a non-Adrastrian Warden. I think many people here are confusing her justifiable reactions to her entire world being brought down for OOC behavior. She's clearly experiencing PTSD and possibly survivors' guilt. For a person such as Leliana, faith is what keeps her afloat, though she may also have a crisis of faith. Wait and see.

 

 

but to many, Religious belief is a form of fanatic belief.

[Maria Caliban]

The devs said it's not her definitive model in that scene. They didn't show it for spoiler/story reasons.

Leliana's nipple is a spoiler.

[Zergy]

but to many, Religious belief is a form of fanatic belief.

 

And what does this say about the people that believe this?

[DeathScepter]

And what does this say about the people that believe this?

 

 

As for me, if someone said that religious belief will make you a fanatic, I consider them Idiots.