The philosophy, not the race. I was really aggravated in DA:O and DA2 about how "perfect" the qunari society was presented, and that the only people who got to argue against them were, in fact, massive strawmen.
Is anyone else hoping they'll be portrayed differently, and the people opposing them given more substance than "They are anti-Chantry heathens!"
I don't think something that has people abandoning it left and right (seriously, we faught so many tal-vashoth) is being portrayed as perfect.
The Qunari society is in no way presented as perfect, it represents the sacrifice of free will in order to attain a perfectly functional economy. That in many peoples eyes is the opposite of perfect.
Their biggest advantage is their work ethic which you can argue is near perfect, but as a society, it is not perfect in any way. Their policy with mages and those who dont follow the qun are just two major examples. If it were a utopia, wouldnt people be flocking to join them?
So much about the Qunari annoys me, but I think they're portrayed as flawed. Sometimes I was a little disappointed with some protagonist dialogue options in conversations with Sten, the Arishok, and especially that tool Saemus, but whatever. I do wish my character could spend 100% of their time spewing fanatical anti-communist froth, but I understand that's not completely realistic or practical.
I expect the Inquisitor will be able to oppose them on grounds on other than that they're heathens, since the Inquisitor can be Dalish, vashoth, or dwarven - not necessarily Andrastian by default.
Qunari think they are perfect... they aint.
The philosophy, not the race. I was really aggravated in DA:O and DA2 about how "perfect" the qunari society was presented...
I think the fact that people misunderstand them is simply meant to demonstrate that they are strange and that people don't understand them. It's not meant to mean that they are right in their views and they certainly aren't portrayed as perfect.
Yes, when the Arishok decided that instead of asking for Kirkwall's help in finding the Tome of Kuslin, he'd just spend a couple of years moping in his compound, and then go on a murderous rampage that ended with his beheading the Viscount, I couldn't help but think to myself "What a perfect society."
Well, let's not forget Petrice constantly pushing him and testing his patience. From what I got, I think he was duty bound to find the tome on his own. Probably why he never mentioned it, even to Hawke.
You gotta admit, Kirkwall was just a cesspool of crazy which could drive even the most composed, insane. I was actually surprised that he put up with that crap for so long.
I agree that beheading the Viscount was a bit too far but I never saw the Qunari attacking anyone who weren't hostile.
If they were portrayed as perfect, then a lot more people would be fond of them. Most however are about as bad as Petrice regarding the Qunari.
In Origins you could very clearly point out the flaws of the Qun in your dialogue with Sten. Sten's only response is 'that's the way it is', which is more in line with circular reasoning than actual logic (meaning he can't really defend what he believes other than the fact that he believes it).
I think DA2 speaks for itself in the way Ketojan was treated and the fact that they looked to make war (manipulating/corrupting Seamus, taking in elven defectors). I wouldn't be surprised if they supplied the elven fanatic with saar-qamek only to make it look like it was stolen to appease Hawke and the rest.
In a fantasy world full of the usual suspects (Elves, Dwarves) I like BioWare's ambition with a new race.
Doubtless it is derivative of something else at some points but I like the concepts at play.
Actually even the elves and dwarves are something new (City elves vs. Dales and the Deep Roads) so I like Thedas as a distinct environment.
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they are far from perfect
sure they like to think that just ask the Arishok but thats because their arrogance is unbeatable
I think the writer's definitely want the Qunari to be complex. and interesting. But I never for once saw them as being protrayed as perfect. Far from it. They're supposed to be aliens, weird foreigners from mysterious lands across the see. Islam to Thedas's Christendom (in the Middle Ages sense, The Qun and Islam don't resemble each other).
As an aside: Anyone else planning to play a reaaaaally Anti-Qun Vashoth in one of their play-throughs?
I think the writer's definitely want the Qunari to be complex. and interesting. But I never for once saw them as being protrayed as perfect. Far from it. They're supposed to be aliens, weird foreigners from mysterious lands across the see. Islam to Thedas's Christendom (in the Middle Ages sense, The Qun and Islam don't resemble each other).
As an aside: Anyone else planning to play a reaaaaally Anti-Qun Vashoth in one of their play-throughs?
Anti-Qun, absolutely. Vashoth, well, it might be a fun lark, but since I'd play anti-Qun regardless, only if it leads to some interesting dialogue.
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You Bas are all the same. Can't even spell the name right 
In Origins you could very clearly point out the flaws of the Qun in your dialogue with Sten. Sten's only response is 'that's the way it is', which is more in line with circular reasoning than actual logic (meaning he can't really defend what he believes other than the fact that he believes it).
As an aside: Anyone else planning to play a reaaaaally Anti-Qun Vashoth in one of their play-throughs?
I just get tired of each and every one of them refuting any possible argument for Thedosian society with what essentially equates to a "lol nope". I get why most of them do respond that way, but it's still terribly frustrating when some of the prominent qunari we meet take every opportunity to point out how everything about the rest of Thedas is wrong.
The Qunari aren't perfect, but they are very idealised. The only flaws they're allowed are the ones that fit the "Order vs Freedom".
And yes, the anti-Qunari options in DA2 all sucked. I'm a touch concerned by the Iron Bull interview, because it definitely seemed to frame people having a problem with the Qun as unreasonable.
Ffs people. No one is supposed to defend anything. If you personally think there are no flaws then there are none. People have different views and standards. I don't like the Qun, but its a perfectly valid way of life like any other, there is no right universal way, any arguments on the matter are silly and pointless.
Try telling that to the Qunari and their "everyone else is living wrong, so we'll force them to live like us or die" 
I don't think they were portrayed as perfect at all. In fact I actually really dislike most of the Qunari teachings and beliefs.
Try telling that to the Qunari and their "everyone else is living wrong, so we'll force them to live like us or die"
Try telling that to the Qunari and their "everyone else is living wrong, so we'll force them to live like us or die"
I don't need to tell them that, I don't care whether they realize how things work or not, and it doesn't matter. What matters is that they are wise to wipe out everyone who doesn't follow their way of life, and what matters is that they are my enemies, and I will kill any member of the Qun society on the spot, without a second thought, and so should you if you don't agree with their way of life.
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