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[Joe25]

You sicken me. This forum needs cleaned of this disney TRASH!

[Ruairi46]

 

Disneys too maintstream. I mean no previous offense, my hatred for Disney it just too damn high!

[LobselVith8]

Hawke, depending on how he/she is roleplayed, knows a thing or two about demons. Namely, that seeking their 'help' with anything is a very bad idea. Merrill wasn't listening to reason, so a good friend would have broke it and tossed the shards in the Waking Sea.

 

Hawke may know something about spirits, but he knows nothing about the Eluvian. It's a trope to have a human telling a non-human she's wrong about something he knows nothing about.

 

What made the Eluvian dangerous for Merrill was not necessarily the mirror itself, but rather her obsession with it, her reliance on the demon to get it working, and a fatal combination of pride and naivety that caused her to ignore the perils associated with cutting deals with demons.

 

Merrill turned to Audacity to learn blood magic (due to being unable to cleanse the shard with ordinary magic due to her lack of lyrium), but she was constructing the Eluvian based on her research into the lore of the Eluvians, and the information she extrapolated from the shard. And, again, no one in the storyline claims that she made a deal with Audacity.

[DarthLaxian]

I don't imagine it will get much use. 

 

Who wants to intentionally go to Kirkwall anyway? 

 

 

I do - to torch the gallows (without people in it) and burn down their templar-headquarter, too (if it isn't in the gallows, too)

 

As for the Eluvian:

 

I hope it helps me (getting into the Network maybe? - Because as much as I would like free and equal elfs, I think their rebellion is wrong at this very moment, when the world is going to hell, too (can't have the people divided...I need unity!))

 

greetings LAX

[LOLandStuff]

Merrill was under the delusion that she knew **** she researched but actually didn't quite understand. All that bla bla bla about Eluvians and whatnot was hardly convincing. And all that BS about how spirits are all dangerous sounded more like she was trying to convince herself that it wouldn't majorly blow up in her face.

Audacity knew all too well what he was doing. Telling the truth at first is a great way to manipulate. He gave her something without asking for anything in return, which wasn't much help but looked that way. Then he just dragged on Merrill for years until she became desperate enough to try something dumb, which she actually nearly succeeded in by asking Hawke to kill her if she got possessed. But then Marethari had to get all sentimental. In the end, the demon got what he wanted, a body to posses, amd then you kill him...still, his plan worked.

[SgtSteel91]

Hawke, depending on how he/she is roleplayed, knows a thing or two about demons. Namely, that seeking their 'help' with anything is a very bad idea. Merrill wasn't listening to reason, so a good friend would have broke it and tossed the shards in the Waking Sea.

 

What made the Eluvian dangerous for Merrill was not necessarily the mirror itself, but rather her obsession with it, her reliance on the demon to get it working, and a fatal combination of pride and naivety that caused her to ignore the perils associated with cutting deals with demons.

 

Then again, you can roleplay a Hawke who can ask demons for help and then stab them in the back after you got what you wanted. Just threaten to destroy it if it didn't give you what you wanted.  

 

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Or if you really want to be a paragon about, I guess you could convince it that being in our world is kinda shitty and the Fade was a radder place to live in. Then it could tell us what we wanted in exchange for sending it back to the Fade. 

[DaySeeker]

The demon's plan was not just to possess Merrill it was to use the eluvian as a door for demons.  It was using Merrill to get the thing working.

[Dean_the_Young]

Another one of Dean's legendary Logic Bombs.

 

It could have been worse. I could have taken a drink and knocked out a Dean 'TL;DR' thread.

 

One of these days, when I sick or tipsy enough to have nothing funner to do with my time, I'm going to write the Quarantine Analogy for Dummies (Like Myself). Really.

[Statare]

Merrill was under the delusion that she knew **** she researched but actually didn't quite understand. All that bla bla bla about Eluvians and whatnot was hardly convincing. And all that BS about how spirits are all dangerous sounded more like she was trying to convince herself that it wouldn't majorly blow up in her face.

Audacity knew all too well what he was doing. Telling the truth at first is a great way to manipulate. He gave her something without asking for anything in return, which wasn't much help but looked that way. Then he just dragged on Merrill for years until she became desperate enough to try something dumb, which she actually nearly succeeded in by asking Hawke to kill her if she got possessed. But then Marethari had to get all sentimental. In the end, the demon got what he wanted, a body to posses, amd then you kill him...still, his plan worked.

 

It seems that Merrill actually only worked with Audacity once: to learn Blood Magic to cleanse the shard. The next time she even considers going to Audacity is years later, and it has fallen silent, and she can't talk to it remotely, so she is forced to go to Sundermount-- where lo and behold, the Keeper has released it. So, that's really only once Merrill dealt with the imprisoned demon. It's unclear if Merrill ever spoke with it from the time you meet her to the time you encounter the Keeper Abomination, but it is clear she never dealt with it for anything more than to learn Blood Magic once. In DAO to learn Blood Magic you had to sacrifice a child to a demon, Merrill learned it for free-- impressive. The next time she was going to consult the demon was about how to activate the Eluvian, which *spoilers about the Masked Empire* is how Briala and Crew learns how to activate them-- from a demon *end of spoilers*. So, Merrill actually was on the right track, which is impressive considering she had little to no help from other people.

 

Also, side note I just realized: how does the Keeper know Merrill is going to consult Audacity again, unless the Keeper has been spying on Merrill (unlikely) or has been talking to Audacity herself?

[Joe25]

That's a bit of an overstatement. The Warden can coerce her to relenquish Connor, force her to teach him blood magic, and then proceed to rape her. All in exchange for her life. Now that is impressive.

Why do I feel like Connor is going to be in DAI, and that the choice we made with him could go really good or really bad?