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[Antmarch456]

So you might know that with the Extended Cut DLC, you can choose the 4th ending, in which the reapers continue their cycle, either by attempting to shoot the Catalyst or denying his ideas for another solution.
What would happen if this was the case? Would it be just a matter of survival? Or would it be everyone cursing Shepard's name before their death?

Here's what I think would happen (Please note the following passage might be emotional or disturbing)...
It has been 3 days since Shepard was beamed up into the Citadel. Shepard was officially announced "missing in action". But everyone sees this as a sharpened knife on the back of their head, as they know that Shepard; their saviour and only hope; has failed them. Shepard's love interest, being broken-hearted in such an extreme rate, commits suicide. The Normandy crew mourns the death of yet another friend as they succcumb into despair, while seeking shelter in London.
The military of all species has already started to decline in great number. The rest sees that the military cannot help them anymore, and now it's a matter of survival. Some couldn't handle it and some carries forgotten hope. The species that are to be harvested on the next cycle watch their world corrupt as they provide non-lethal support. Many infamous stories tell of how individuals cope with their fate and their stories that could've been told someday instead, is shattered into pieces.

I'd like to know what you think could've happened and maybe share some sad-stories in this course of the plot.

[Remix-General Aetius]

"conventionally we cannot defeat the Reapers".

 

that's what happened, and Avina T'Soni stayed behind to tell the story to the next cycle.

[Excella Gionne]

The galaxy was already overwhelmed by that point. It is most likely that the entire fleet was destroyed within a couple of hours later, and the resistances in other homeworlds and in other locations fighting the Reapers were suppressed due to Reaper numbers fire power superiority. I'm very sure the Normandy SR-2 perished along with the rest of the fleets as well. 

 

Like what@B.R.S. said is true, they can't conventionally defeat the Reapers, because they're outnumbered in firepower. It may have taken the Reapers a couple of years to harvest the cycle entirely.

[Cheviot]

There's a letter on the Spectre Terminal that summarizes the findings of financial projections.  It basically says that if the war is not concluded within a year, the galactic finanical system will collapse, so there'd be no money for supplies, repairs etc.  It would be a slow death for the allied forces.

[themikefest]

I wonder if Shepard died on the Citadel or was able to get back on the Normandy and die with his/her crew and ship?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Shepard was a dumb ass and proved it by refusing.

 

The Asari made arrangements for species continuity -- i.e. underground bunkers. The Normandy escaped and Liara finished seeding the galaxy. When she and EDI finished the last archive on a world with a primitive near bronze age population that the reapers wouldn't harm, she was nearly 500. EDI bid her fairwell, and flew the Normandy into the nearest star, while Liara remained behind on the world.

 

She found a fishing village and went into the sea for a swim and emerged from the sea on the beach. They all thought she was a goddess, and they were in awe of her powers. She showed them more technologically advanced ways, she had a child Avina, with one of them. Javik said as long as there is one Asari alive the species is not extinct. She taught Avina, and eventually after this society advanced sufficiently the living goddesses showed them the archives. Liara eventually left her worldly form leaving her daughter Avina to carry out her mission. And so she did. The Archives jumped this civilization ahead several thousand years. Their scientists eventually found the flaw in the Crucible -- it had never been used. The conclusion drawn by Avina was that The Shepard never survived to use it, not that The Shepard was a dumb ass.

 

Thus the next cycle built the Crucible before the reaper invasion, attached it to the Citadel and fired it, destroying the reapers while they were still in Dark Space.

 

"They fought a terrible war so that we wouldn't have to."

[DarthLaxian]

Hey,

 

Well, I imagine some people having had the good sense to prepare Prothean-Copy-Bunkers (just better - after all, one can learn from their misstakes), then there is of course the virtual intelligences Liara sent out into the galaxy in preparation

 

I would say that the more advanced species all survived - albeit in low numbers (maybe with frozen embryos taken along for fast re-population after the reapers leave)

 

They re-build, and prepare (for example they make the Citadel into a gigantic BOMB (It's a relay after all and the reapers normally use it to return) and then they wait

 

Reapers return and get beaten (because the galactic civilisations were a) prepared and advanced in technology further than the reapers anticipated (after all, they had a lot more time, with them keeping all previous technologies and knowing that they have to leave the path of technology that the reapers laid out for them...like not having real direct-energy-weapons (except the GUARDIAN-System, witch is just a CIWS and not a real ship-to-ship system)

 

greetings LAX

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The other hilarious thing about the MEU is that some of the technology is actually in development now. By 2186 it will be old tech. Things like UV lasers for shooting down missiles are being put on naval ships starting in 2016, yet only the Salarians use UV in Mass Effect while we still use IR, lol. IR is used for communication because it isn't high energy enough for destructive use (facepalm). Rail guns are here.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Shepard would probably die of exposure on the Citadel. He might bleed out, starve, asphyxiate, die of thirst, or commit suicide. I don't see the Reapers killing him. I see them taunting him and leaving him to die to break him.

 

Breaking your enemy is the best way to kill them. And much more satisfying. They break him by showing him just how futile his principles are.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Hackett radios in and tells Shepard the location of the control panel? As Shepard walks over to it he thinks about how close he came to blowing up a critical fuel line needed to power the machine or electrocuting himself to death?

[themikefest]

I wonder what would happen if Shepard just got in the driver's seat and flew the Citadel into the sun? I mean the Citadel has engines, so why not? Would the reapers stop if the Catalyst  was destroyed?

[ImaginaryMatter]

I wonder what would happen if Shepard just got in the driver's seat and flew the Citadel into the sun? I mean the Citadel has engines, so why not? Would the reapers stop if the Catalyst  was destroyed?

 

That's a good question and I'm not exactly sure. The game has a lot of contradictory information on what the exact relationship is between the two. I personally think the Reapers are like VI constructs so if the Catalyst was killed they would probably just continue what they were doing regardless.

[AlanC9]

Shepard would probably die of exposure on the Citadel. He might bleed out, starve, asphyxiate, die of thirst, or commit suicide. I don't see the Reapers killing him. I see them taunting him and leaving him to die to break him.

 

Breaking your enemy is the best way to kill them. And much more satisfying. They break him by showing him just how futile his principles are.

 

Do Reapers actually derive satisfaction from such activities, though?

[KaiserShep]

Shepard was a dumb ass and proved it by refusing.
 
The Asari made arrangements for species continuity -- i.e. underground bunkers. The Normandy escaped and Liara finished seeding the galaxy. When she and EDI finished the last archive on a world with a primitive near bronze age population that the reapers wouldn't harm, she was nearly 500. EDI bid her fairwell, and flew the Normandy into the nearest star, while Liara remained behind on the world.
 
She found a fishing village and went into the sea for a swim and emerged from the sea on the beach. They all thought she was a goddess, and they were in awe of her powers. She showed them more technologically advanced ways, she had a child Avina, with one of them. Javik said as long as there is one Asari alive the species is not extinct. She taught Avina, and eventually after this society advanced sufficiently the living goddesses showed them the archives. Liara eventually left her worldly form leaving her daughter Avina to carry out her mission. And so she did. The Archives jumped this civilization ahead several thousand years. Their scientists eventually found the flaw in the Crucible -- it had never been used. The conclusion drawn by Avina was that The Shepard never survived to use it, not that The Shepard was a dumb ass.
 
Thus the next cycle built the Crucible before the reaper invasion, attached it to the Citadel and fired it, destroying the reapers while they were still in Dark Space.
 
"They fought a terrible war so that we wouldn't have to."

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[DeinonSlayer]

I wonder what would happen if Shepard just got in the driver's seat and flew the Citadel into the sun? I mean the Citadel has engines, so why not? Would the reapers stop if the Catalyst  was destroyed?

I remember thinking the Weyrloc Clanspeaker might not have had the worst idea in the world there.

[SporkFu]

Shepard was a dumb ass and proved it by refusing.

The Asari made arrangements for species continuity -- i.e. underground bunkers. The Normandy escaped and Liara finished seeding the galaxy. When she and EDI finished the last archive on a world with a primitive near bronze age population that the reapers wouldn't harm, she was nearly 500. EDI bid her fairwell, and flew the Normandy into the nearest star, while Liara remained behind on the world.

She found a fishing village and went into the sea for a swim and emerged from the sea on the beach. They all thought she was a goddess, and they were in awe of her powers. She showed them more technologically advanced ways, she had a child Avina, with one of them. Javik said as long as there is one Asari alive the species is not extinct. She taught Avina, and eventually after this society advanced sufficiently the living goddesses showed them the archives. Liara eventually left her worldly form leaving her daughter Avina to carry out her mission. And so she did. The Archives jumped this civilization ahead several thousand years. Their scientists eventually found the flaw in the Crucible -- it had never been used. The conclusion drawn by Avina was that The Shepard never survived to use it, not that The Shepard was a dumb ass.

Thus the next cycle built the Crucible before the reaper invasion, attached it to the Citadel and fired it, destroying the reapers while they were still in Dark Space.

"They fought a terrible war so that we wouldn't have to."

I've been watching old reruns of " That 70s Show" recently, and the dumb ass bit struck me funny. Shep needed Red Foreman to tell him what's what once in a while.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I've been watching old reruns of " That 70s Show" recently, and the dumb ass bit struck me funny. Shep needed Red Foreman to tell him what's what once in a while.

 

Like this?

 

[SporkFu]

Like this?

Exactly like that.

[Han Shot First]

There's a letter on the Spectre Terminal that summarizes the findings of financial projections.  It basically says that if the war is not concluded within a year, the galactic finanical system will collapse, so there'd be no money for supplies, repairs etc.  It would be a slow death for the allied forces.

 

This.

 

The galaxy had less than a year left before all was lost. Once the galactic economy collapsed it would be a long slide towards extinction. Refuse Shepard's legacy is making the worst military blunder in all of human history. 

[Nitrocuban]

Shepard bleeds out on the Citadel and the Crucible fleet is detroyed.

Reapers might need another 1000 years to wipe out and/or  harvest everything but finally they win and start a new cycle.

[shodiswe]

When you get up there you have just wasted most of the military and civilian resources of the galaxy to get to that point. Then you throw it away.

There are hardly any resources left for the galaxy to try anything else. Game over.

[Reorte]

Do Reapers actually derive satisfaction from such activities, though?

The way Sovereign and Harbinger speak suggest that they probably do.

[Orikon]

The Reapers (at least those at Earth) could have been defeated conventionally. If anybody in the allied fleet used at least a little bit of strategy instead of just throwing the ships at the enemy,if the Alliance properly used Leviathan's artifacts,and if anybody in the whole fleet actually used Thannix cannons (which are,apparently,"widely used in the Alliance") they could have beaten the Reapers.

 

Plus,lets not mention that the Reapers would've had one hell of a challenge if the both The Migrant Fleet and the whole Geth fleet (if you made peace) ever actually arrived at Earth like they were supposed to.

 

All of that together (Quarians/Geth,Leviathan,proper strategy,and Thannix Cannons) could've easily secured the victory over Earth,and even leave some fleets to combat the remaining Reapers in the Galaxy.

 

Both the Catalyst and Leviathan clearly state that we are the first cycle to ever gather the whole galaxy,so we don't know if victory would be possible if,lets say,Harbringer was taken out or if they were victorious in the battle over Earth (at which,according to the codex,the majority of the Reaper fleet was stationed).

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

The Reapers (at least those at Earth) could have been defeated conventionally. If anybody in the allied fleet used at least a little bit of strategy instead of throwing the ships,if the Alliance properly used Leviathan's artifacts,and if anybody in the whole fleet actually used Thannix cannons (which are,apparently,"widely used in the Alliance") they could have beaten the Reapers.

 

No, they couldn't have been.

 

Let's put it this way; We are to assume that they did use strategy and tactics in battle (I'm going to trust them a lot more than you, some armchair admiral). You have the resources from each war asset, and each is contributing to the fight. This includes all Leviathan artifacts, nuclear warheads, and Thannix cannons (let alone all the combined fleets, such as the Geth, the Quarians, the Turians, the Humans, whatever Salarian Forces you have, the Pirate/Merchant/Mercenary/Irregular Fleets, and any other races whose assets you picked up.) Otherwise, each asset would have been 0, since they weren't being used properly and/or failed to be used at all.

 

If the Reapers around Earth could have been beaten by this conventional force, then they would have been beaten by this conventional force in the Refuse ending.

 

The Reapers were not defeated by said conventional force.

 

The Reapers cannot be defeated conventionally. A few dozen or a few hundred Reapers around Earth are more than capable of defeating everything the galaxy can throw at it at once.

 

You need the Crucible. Simply put. You're stuck with the choices that the Crucible has presented you with. If you want the Reapers dead, pick Destroy.

[Orikon]

No, they couldn't have been.

 

Let's put it this way; We are to assume that they did use strategy and tactics in battle (I'm going to trust them a lot more than you, some armchair admiral). You have the resources from each war asset, and each is contributing to the fight. This includes all Leviathan artifacts, nuclear warheads, and Thannix cannons (let alone all the combined fleets, such as the Geth, the Quarians, the Turians, the Humans, whatever Salarian Forces you have, the Pirate/Merchant/Mercenary/Irregular Fleets, and any other races whose assets you picked up.) Otherwise, each asset would have been 0, since they weren't being used properly and/or failed to be used at all.

 

If the Reapers around Earth could have been beaten by this conventional force, then they would have been beaten by this conventional force in the Refuse ending.

 

The Reapers were not defeated by said conventional force.

 

The Reapers cannot be defeated conventionally. A few dozen or a few hundred Reapers around Earth are more than capable of defeating everything the galaxy can throw at it at once.

 

You need the Crucible. Simply put. You're stuck with the choices that the Crucible has presented you with. If you want the Reapers dead, pick Destroy.

 

The reason Refusal doesn't allow for conventional victory is probably because Bioware wanted to force the use of Crucible. Otherwise,if BW took a few more months of development they probably would've implemented it. On top of that,the whole Priority:Earth is structured around a "depressing tone",and "constant losing",in other words low EMS,so Bioware never intended for there to be some major victory there for whatever reason.

 

The allied fleets (Migrant Fleet/Geth fleet combined,Turians,Humans,Asari,Destiny Ascension,Salarians,Mercenary fleets,what-not) is made out of dozens and dozens of thousands of ships. The Migrant Fleet alone alone has fifty thousand ships (codex).

 

The Reapers aren't that invincible with the exception of the biggest ships (there are only two,Harbringer and Sovereign). Hell,the Turians alone managed to down several Reaper CAPITAL SHIPS at Palaven using clever,guess what,strategy (Miracle at Palaven,Codex). So saying that the entire Galactic fleet (and it takes some time to travel from the relay to Earth,that's just another plot hole,so everybody has more than enough time to get there) can't beat the Reapers at Earth is non-sense with all due respect.