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On Player Characters and their actions in extended media


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Kreidian

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Awesome as many of the books and comics are that have released stories spanning the times between games since origins, it does however raise several questions about the actions of both the Warden and the Champion would be taking in these situations.
 
Simply put, for many of us we often perceive our personal characters would have had a much larger stake in these stories, and what's more would likely have been more directly involved in some fashion. 
 
These are relatively unrelated stories, I understand, something taking place in the "Bioware Dev Thedas" and not necessarily the version of the world that the player has been creating with these games. Likewise it makes sense that these stories would involve familiar and important characters that we as players would have been involved with in game. Not just to tie things into the world better, simply showing more these characters that we know and love is a huge draw for the Dragonage fans.
 
But for many players, their characters would not have remained mysteriously absent during these events.
 
My Warden certainly would have liked to have been there with Alistair as he went on his wild adventures all the way to Tevinter, even if she didn't romance him. Perhaps you could argue that she was busy by then focused on her role as Warden-Commander at Vigil's Keep.
 
But the same could not be said of my Champion. In my game Hawke romanced Isabella, and by siding with the mages for the sake of her sister, she wasn't about to stick around; especially since Isabella had a ship and an open invitation to join her on it. If Isabella was joining Varick of all people to sail around the world on some grand adventure with the King of Ferelden, well Hawke simply would never let that opportunity pass her by.
 
Without any other information, it actually begins to break immersion. Doubly so if these extended world events is something that we can assume actually happened, and have an effect in the game world we encounter. Where was the Hero of Ferelden during all this? What about the Champion of Kirkwall?  
 
The only possibility suggests that both of these characters were preoccupied with something more dire. What would drive our characters away like this? At least for some of us it would have to be something huge indeed. Perhaps even something preventing them from acting. Both have mysteriously disappeared, and it's been strongly hinted that someone has been working in the background to spread this chaos, actively preventing those that could put a stop to it from acting.
 
Such things are nothing but wild speculations at this point and part of an entirely different tangent. The main point, however, is that the very absence of both the Warden and the Champion during these separate events are definitely being felt. I would love some form of reconciliation that either explains what they were up to the whole time, or some sort of Keep feature that would allow them some part in these other adventures.


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Adaar the Unbound

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I'm sure that in DAI, it will be explained where they are.



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They're missing, Cassandra says as much during DA2's ending.



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Icy Magebane

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They're missing, Cassandra says as much during DA2's ending.

This.  The former protagonists aren't interfering in anything once they get bodysnatched.



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Maria Caliban

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Isabela decided Hawke was getting too clingy and decided to enjoy a brief (3 year) break from her.

Sorry.

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Such things are nothing but wild speculations at this point and part of an entirely different tangent. The main point, however, is that the very absence of both the Warden and the Champion during these separate events are definitely being felt. I would love some form of reconciliation that either explains what they were up to the whole time, or some sort of Keep feature that would allow them some part in these other adventures.

 

If Hawke romanced Isabela, I think it's possible he could have been there for the adventure with King Alistair searching for his father, since the comic only depicts a particular canon, not what happened in your personal canon, and this is also true for the novels (where events might have happened differently depending on what transpired in your personal canon universe).



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Personally I feel a little unconfortable when the extended media touches characters and situations that are choice-dependant. It feels... wrong. Nothing wrong with the books/comics, I actually liked reading them a lot, but it feels like the writers are handpicking a particular canon and alienating people whose canon is different, the Udina/Anderson choice in ME comes to mind. Here is hoping that this time around they don't pull something like Alistair usurping Anora's crown or Wynne ressurecting to vote against the split in Cumberland because "it was needed for the story".

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As far as i'm aware comics aren't canon, as in they either don't occur or occur differently based on player universe.

 

Alistair is dead in my main universe, so unless someone's ordered a necromancer to get his corpse up and adventuring that story isn't happening.

 

Equally a romanced Isabela may not even partake in such an adventure. How do the timelines of Silent Grove work in conjunction of DA2 ending and epilogue stated romanced isabela and Hawke staying together and Hawke's disappearance.



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Personally I feel a little unconfortable when the extended media touches characters and situations that are choice-dependant. It feels... wrong. Nothing wrong with the books/comics, I actually liked reading them a lot, but it feels like the writers are handpicking a particular canon and alienating people whose canon is different, the Udina/Anderson choice in ME comes to mind. Here is hoping that this time around they don't pull something like Alistair usurping Anora's crown or Wynne ressurecting to vote against the split in Cumberland because "it was needed for the story".

The important part, regarding the extended universe content, is to understand that it is just a canon, not THE canon. After that it is also useful to be able to imagine how a similar situation could occur in one's own canon. For instance in one of my playthroughs Alistair is dead, so obviously he cannot go on the quest he does in the comics, but I just figure that in my canon Alistair is replaced with Loghain, who was still alive. In the playthroughs where both are dead, I jsut imagine that the Qunari stormed the castle without the aid of either, and solved the issue on their own.



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CapivaRasgor

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The important part, regarding the extended universe content, is to understand that it is just a canon, not THE canon. After that it is also useful to be able to imagine how a similar situation could occur in one's own canon. For instance in one of my playthroughs Alistair is dead, so obviously he cannot go on the quest he does in the comics, but I just figure that in my canon Alistair is replaced with Loghain, who was still alive. In the playthroughs where both are dead, I jsut imagine that the Qunari stormed the castle without the aid of either, and solved the issue on their own.


It's not that I can't imagine different possibilities other than the EU canon or that I assume that the canon of the comics is THE canon, it's more like apprehension that they will handle different canons in a very lame fashion, with small tweaks here and there but with the same core.

Look at Wynne for example, she played a major role in Asunder, she was the one who motivated the search for Pharamond, it was to sway her that Adrian framed Rhys, her spirit is what saved Evangeline. And that's without factoring the role she played in Rhys' character development. But what if she died 10 years prior? Who will instigate the search for Pharamond and set in motion the plot of Asunder? Will they have Rhys or someone finding out that Tranquility can be reversed on his own? Will the events that triggered the war play out in a similar fashion or in a completly different one? The fact that it is more likely to be the former rather than the latter is what makes me uncomfortable but again, I really hope to be proved wrong.

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That's why I don't read the EU stuff.