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[Adaar the Unbound]

Maybe they had trouble thinking of a reason for the Qunari Mage's horns not being cut off?

[LOLandStuff]

Because you'd have your mouth sewed shut and your horns cut off.

And then people would start making threads about how they don't want those sort of scars around their mouth and ask for fancy long horns.

I for one would like some horn accessories.

[Daerog]

You don't learn about the Qun from the PC, you learn it from the NPCs, like Iron Bull. If you were Tal-Vashoth, it would be odd to ask general questions about the Qun.

 

Edit: I think it would just be less work when it comes to the script. The dwarf is a surfacer as well, so in the same boat as a Vashoth would be.

[LobselVith8]

maybe they could have made an exception ...

I don't know it just seems like all the potential of playing as a Qunari is wasted

 

The developers said it would've required too many changes to have a Qunari protagonist. Perhaps it'll be available in the future?

[DarthLaxian]

Maybe they had trouble thinking of a reason for the Qunari Mage's horns not being cut off?

 

Probably because the "real" Qunari would let the world burn (and only defend their own little corner - what do they care for non-believers? - and after everyone is dead, start driving the demons back)

 

greetings LAX

ps: Why are people fascinated by the Qun? - I am revolted by the very concept (like the Borg - just without nano-probes and implants yet...but they are getting there (in a few thousand years ^^))...and I'd rather help the chantry (which I despise, too) than lift a finger to help them (unless they help me - big time - in return and only if I do not hurt normal people (non-quunari) in the process)...I don't like them (hate them, more likely!)

[Inquisitor7]

Why is everyone asking why and complaining before they get the game?

[LiquidLyrium]

I agree it would have been interesting to play a tal-vashoth qunquisitor. Especially a former saarebas (I personally mourn the loss of those mouth scars and all the attendant angst) but we also don't know much about qunari/vashoth born outside of the qun. What is their culture like? Do they still take cues from how qunari society is organized or is it completely different? Is it centralized or is it more tribal/clan-like with different groups having different customs? Also one would sort of assume that tal-vashoth and vashoth live in mixed groups anyway... I think the vashoth background has a lot of potential for insight and discovery.

[PrayingMantis]

Well, we don't have any knowledge about the Qun and qunari society. Their society differs a lot from ours, so I can't really see how playing a Tal-Vashoth would work. You have to know some basics, but we are totally oblivious to pretty much everything. They are the most alien society in the game.

Playing a simple vashoth makes more sense, since they don't have that knowledge about the Qun and have never been influenced by it, I think.

[darkmanifest]

Probably because the "real" Qunari would let the world burn (and only defend their own little corner - what do they care for non-believers? - and after everyone is dead, start driving the demons back)

 

Dislike the Qunari all you want, but this comment is a mischaracterization of them.  They hate unnecessary waste, especially of people, and letting all of Thedas get overrun by demons would be a huge loss of potential converts.  Furthermore, they aren't stupid - even if they could push back the demons by themselves, they have no idea how to close Fade breaches that spawn the demons in the first place because they forbid the saarebas to study that kind of complex magic.  So if the people in Thedas fail to clean up their magical mess, Par Vollen is dead meat, and the Qunari no doubt know it.

[Former_Fiend]

I believe it's the same as one of the reasons I think we can't play a qunari who's part of the Qun.

 

We don't have playable origin stories. One of the major aspects of the origins in DAO was giving us a glimpse into that aspect of Thedas society. Where our character comes from, what our experiences are. That kind of stuff helps shape our character's world view.

 

We haven't gotten an internal perspective for the qun yet. We've talked to Sten and Arishok and Tallis about their society but we haven't really seen how they behave around each other without the lens of an outsider.

 

A tal-vashoth would know that. They would have experienced it. Those would have been experiences we as players couldn't really relate to leading to a decision our character made that we have no control over. 

 

Personally I'd rather play a vashoth than a tal vashoth unless playing a capital Q Qunari was also an option on the table. There's always a certain amount of railroading you have to deal with in video games, but I wouldn't want my character abandoning their whole religion to be something I the player don't have a say in.

[Chron0id]

I love all Kossith, regardless of whether they belong to the Qun or not.  They are just so awesome.  I've been utterly enamored with them since DA 2.  DA Origins was kind of....lacking in representing them. 

 

Q-U-N, Q-U-N, Q-U-N,

[TheLittleBird]

Tal-Vashoth generally oppose the Qun, and they left the Qun by their own choice.

Which forces the Qunari PC into having made those choices in the past, making for a not so good starting point to roleplay from.

[metalfenix]

DG and company did a terrific job with the qun code. I loathe it completely, and everything it stands for.

 

And for that, they deserves kudos. good writing means reactions like mine.

[Feybrad]

Vashoth means Clean-Slate and no predisposed Opinion. That's Why.

[Gervaise]

Storywise a Vashoth gives you greater flexibility.  You come from outside the Qun but you could be curious about the culture your parents left, so you can engage in non confrontational discussion with Iron Bull.   From there you could embrace the Qun philosophy or reject it as you see fit.   If you were a Tal-Vashoth it is doubtful you would even give him house room, more likely kill him on sight.    

 

Also, depending on how much information they give you, it is possible for you to develop entirely your own culture to base your decisions on, rather than being confined to someone else's.   It probably gives you the greatest scope for character development of any of the races.

[Gervaise]

Also if you were a member of the Qun, it would be hard to explain your presence at the beginning and you would be subject to the rule of the Qun in all things.   This would make it highly unlikely you would be accepted as head of the organisation.    In fact the Qun themselves would not approve, since in their society you would fulfil one of the advisor roles.     If you were a soldier you would not be making decisions regarding anything other than battle tactics and warfare, if you were a mage you would not be making any decisions at all and would be under the care of your Arvaarad (I think I got that right - forgive me if I didn't, I tend to get the terms mixed up).

[Panda]

Tal-Vashoth Inquisitor might be hard to write in way he/she would fit as Inquisitor and I think BW maybe doesn't want to explore issues with qunaris in this game that much story-wise. However I think it'd be nice to play as Tal-Vashoth and I at least hope our qunari Inquisitor can be anti-Qun.

[Lilium]

Why is everyone asking why and complaining before they get the game?

 

[Lucijenifer]

It grants flexibility and blandness all at once. It allows you to portray the character however you like and insert yourself into it without feeling awkward or out of place, because it's effectively human in personality. It has no experience of something as alien as the Qun so you won't have to try and navigate around that.

 

All Bioware playable characters are blank slates and if the Inquisitor was either Qunari or Tal-Vashoth, that'd give it previous experiences that would remove the 'blank slate' state of being.

[Zatche]

maybe they could have made an exception ...

I don't know it just seems like all the potential of playing as a Qunari is wasted

 

There is plenty of potential left.

 

Plot: People will still be cautious about you. treat you differently than other races.

Aesthetics: Some people, like myself, just want to roll as a big grey dude/lady with horns.

[LobselVith8]

Yeah but what about playing as a Dalish? There is also a lot of backstory there and no clean-slate at all

it would have been easier to say that they are city-elfs

 

Given what happened in "The Masked Empire", it might allow the elven protagonist to start at a neutral state if there's an elven rebellion in the Dales with the Andrastian elves.

 

Well hopefully we can somehow be pro qun and anti qun (voice our opinion) not just neutral human like dude in the game

 

I suspect that might be possible. Perhaps the protagonist can agree with Iron Bull's Qunari ideals if the player is so inclined?