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[Arcian]

Let's look at the evidence shall we?

 

Mass Effect 1 - They feature in a small, villainous role in a side mission. They are not shown being unfeasibly wealthy or powerful. They use subtlety to achieve their goals, and try to suppress any evidence of their existence.

 

Mass Effect 2 - They feature in a major, helpful role despite their earlier villainous role. The player is not allowed to refuse working with them. They are very open about their existence, and plaster all of their ships and technology with their symbol. Any notion of subtlety or willingness to remain unknown has vanished at this point. They are able to find information or objects no one else has found in several thousands or even millions of years. They are able to hack geth, which no one has ever been able to do.

 

They are shown to be unfeasibly wealthy and powerful, being able to bring back deceased individuals to life and build more advanced warships than the best engineers of the galaxy's many species. Somehow, they were behind the construction of the first Normandy. The player character is killed with the specific purpose of demonstrating how capable the organization is. They are shown to be more than a match to the other species in the galaxy, despite the latter having a 2000 year headstart in terms of economy, technology and science. Meanwhile, humans have only been superluminal for about 30 years, and Cerberus has not existed for more than 20.

 

Mass Effect 3 - They feature in a major, villainous role. Somehow, they have an unfeasibly powerful private military force that can stand toe to toe with the military forces of the galactic nations. They have moved up from Jesus technology to being able to hijack Reapers, the most mentally and physically powerful beings in the franchise. As a matter of fact, their role in the game greatly exceeds that of the Reapers.

 

They have a conspicuous space station and a private fleet of military ships that can stand up to the Alliance's fleets. They also had the manpower to conquer and take over Omega station in the Terminus Systems, which was home to countless powerful mercenary and criminal groups - so many, in fact, that their sheer number served as a deterrant to the Citadel Council. In spite of this, Cerberus is able to take Omega with little effort. Their military forces are ubiquitous. There are no signs that they are being spread thin anywhere. Somehow, they are able to train and support all of these soldiers with supplies and equipment. How their armor and weapons are produced is not explained. How they are trained is not explained (indoctrination is not training).

 

Out of 4 Mass Effect books, they feature in a major role in 3 of them.

 

Out of 5 Mass Effect comic book series, they feature in a major role in 4 of them.

 

In the single Mass Effect animated movie released so far, they feature in a major role.

 

Out of 2 Mass Effect mobile games released, they feature in a major role in both of them.

 

 

 

 

I don't know about you guys, but I paid to play Mass Effect, not Cerberus Effect. I am sick and tired of having this stupid organization ruin my favorite franchise.

[Dabrikishaw]

It certainly is clear that Cerberus was just used for whatever plot Bioware wanted.

[Arcian]

It certainly is clear that Cerberus was just used for whatever plot Super MAC wanted.

Fixed that for you.

[Mordokai]

Cerberus is the real Mary Sue of Mass Effect.

[von uber]

But.. but.. but.. stop thinking and look at Miranda's arse and norks! Look at the cool ship and listen to Martin Sheen!
That's what you are supposed to do!

[SporkFu]

But.. but.. but.. stop thinking and look at Miranda's arse and norks!

You say that like it's a bad thing

[ImaginaryMatter]

Ya, Cerberus does increasing comes off as someone's fan fiction.

 

Only that fan happens to be one or more of the writers.

 

By ME3 I'm not sure if there's a Reaper invasion or a Cerberus invasion.

[KaiserShep]

But they have billions and billions of credits! Their brand is everywhere.

Anyway, Cerberus should've died in ME1, or at the end of ME2. It would've been interesting to send TIM's operation crashing into the ground, with Miranda's help. Who am I kidding? Kai Leng would be the new leader.

[AlanC9]

 

By ME3 I'm not sure if there's a Reaper invasion or a Cerberus invasion.

 

There's no real difference.

[SporkFu]

Ya, Cerberus does increasing comes off as someone's fan fiction.

Only that fan happens to be one or more of the writers.

By ME3 I'm not sure if there's a Reaper invasion or a Cerberus invasion.

No kidding, sometimes it felt like the reapers were intruding.

[wolfhowwl]

Some more things form Mass Effect 2.

 

The entire galaxy except Cerberus decides they don't believe in the Reapers even though one blew up in the Council's front yard for the obvious reason that Cerberus wouldn't matter if they did.

 

The Alliance doesn't care in the slightest that human colonies are disappearing, because otherwise Cerberus would be irrelevant.

[KaiserShep]

^Pretty much. The Alliance's inability/unwillingness to act was completely necessary to keep Shepard in team Cerberus' camp.

[DuskWanderer]

It's true that there was too much of Cerberus: I liked the factor of all the different foes in 2 and Cerberus was in the backstory, but it kept creeping up as "Ooh, Shep's with Cerberus." They could have left it solely in the hands of the VS (and Tali) and left it at that. In 3, they were just one villain.

 

But it didn't bother me too much, just a mild annoyance. Cerberus does screw up and I can tell them to STFU and GTFO, unlike Liara, the franchise's real nightmare.

[CronoDragoon]

[We'll bang okay]

No kidding, sometimes it felt like the reapers were intruding.

but would you really just want to kill husks all the time Cerberus mixes that up even thou it stupid story wise 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I'm a big Cerberus supporter, and a person who can typically rationally explain and support their methods and agenda.

 

On a meta-scale however, I won't lie that they've largely become analogous to a plot tumor.

[KaiserShep]

but would you really just want to kill husks all the time Cerberus mixes that up even thou it stupid story wise

Cerberus troopers aren't much better than marauders. The only really interesting Cerberus enemies are the phantoms, but they're not common. The problem is that the troopers aren't believers or anything like that. They're just slaves that have husk eyes, which is kinda what the reaper monsters are.

[CronoDragoon]

I'm a big Cerberus supporter, and a person who can typically rationally explain and support their methods and agenda.

 

On a meta-scale however, I won't lie that they've largely become analogous to a plot tumor.

 

I think the increased importance of Cerberus was a good call. The Reapers are not interesting enough to carry a trilogy on their own. You needed some human antagonist/tentative ally that presented another perspective of the galactic status quo.

 

Things could have been done better, but I'm fine with the idea. I consider TIM the true worthy opponent of the series.

[SporkFu]

but would you really just want to kill husks all the time Cerberus mixes that up even thou it stupid story wise

I think about it like, if there were no Cerberus bad guys, and instead Bio gave us reaperfied drell, hanar, vorcha, elcor, and volus, I could definitely go for that.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I knew the reaper invasion was going to be a disaster for a story.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I think the increased importance of Cerberus was a good call. The Reapers are not interesting enough to carry a trilogy on their own. You needed some human antagonist/tentative ally that presented another perspective of the galactic status quo.

 

Things could have been done better, but I'm fine with the idea. I consider TIM the true worthy opponent of the series.

 

The Reapers are too alien to really hate in my opinion. TIM and Cerberus are too complex as well. I hesitate calling them villains in any way beyond plot demand. They're antagonists, but IMO, hardly villains. The issue comes when BW turns them into whatever they need or want them to be for the sake of the plot. And the biggest issue I have is how every problem in the galaxy goes back to Cerberus. They're a convenient plot tool. Like Liara. As such, I don't view them as characters so much as a plot device. Similar to how I view Liara.

[Arcian]

 

The Starkid destroyed the last 10 minutes of the game, but Cerberus destroyed everything else. As it happens, both were written by Mac Walters.

 

I think the increased importance of Cerberus was a good call. The Reapers are not interesting enough to carry a trilogy on their own. You needed some human antagonist/tentative ally that presented another perspective of the galactic status quo.

 

Things could have been done better, but I'm fine with the idea. I consider TIM the true worthy opponent of the series.

 

I cannot even begin to express how strongly I disagree with this. If Mass Effect 2 and 3 had been used to explore the nature of the Reapers further instead of leaving that to the last 15 minutes of the game, they could have been the best antagonists in video game history. Instead, we got Mac Walters one-dimensional self-insert and his merry band of racist rapscallions doing evil stuff to be evil for sake of being evil.

[Arcian]

 

I knew the reaper invasion was going to be a disaster for a story.

It wasn't. Cerberus was.

[CronoDragoon]

The Starkid destroyed the last 10 minutes of the game, but Cerberus destroyed everything else. As it happens, both were written by Mac Walters.

 

I think the popular opinion is that Starkid did more damage to the entire trilogy than Cerberus. If you go look in the ME3 review thread very few people ****** about Cerberus compared to the Catalyst.

 

I cannot even begin to express how strongly I disagree with this. If Mass Effect 2 and 3 had been used to explore the nature of the Reapers further instead of leaving that to the last 15 minutes of the game, they could have been the best antagonists in video game history. Instead, we got Mac Walters one-dimensional self-insert and his merry band of racist rapscallions doing evil stuff to be evil for sake of being evil.

 

ME3 faltered in making TIM indoctrinated. That doesn't mean they didn't have an important role to play and that, written better, it wouldn't have worked.

[ImaginaryMatter]

but would you really just want to kill husks all the time Cerberus mixes that up even thou it stupid story wise 

 

I think there was a much better alternative to using Cerberus as an alternate faction, one that build up the Reapers rather than distract from them. And that would be using different Indoctrinated factions that the Reapers manipulate.

 

For example, at the beginning of the game the Reapers come to the Batarians under the guise of peace, utilizing their anger over the destruction of the alpha relay and the decades of human encroachment to manipulate them into attack Earth and the other races (maybe giving them tech similar to that possessed by the Collectors). Over time the Reapers do Indoctrinate several echelons of the Batarian hierarchy which pushes them to a quickly extinguishing species. On Sur'Kesh when meeting up with the female Krogan Shepard discovers that there is doing something with Reapers that gets them Indoctrinated, they then attempt to foil the exchange claiming that curing the genophage is too dangerous. The Citadel coup could be orchestrated by Indoctrinated refugees. And so on.