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[ImaginaryMatter]

I'm pretty sure it's Anderson that says it's "nightmare stuff" on the Presidium after talking to the Council.

 

I like how the asari councilor will then say that the geth were somehow bought into this whole reaper business by Saren's charisma. Imagine that. 300 years of conflict with the geth could have been solved by simply making up some kind of crazy story. Saren is like super L Ron Hubbard, just conjuring up some weird reaper religion for machines. Tevos was hitting that red sand pretty hard.

 

She probably just came from a drug infused party with Aria.

[KaiserShep]

You know that these two are close somehow, because in ME3, Aria can easily just give her a buzz at a moment's notice and fast track her processing into the Citadel like it's no big thing.

[SporkFu]

You know that these two are close somehow, because in ME3, Aria can easily just give her a buzz at a moment's notice and fast track her processing into the Citadel like it's no big thing.

Bondmates when they were younger, like an 'opposites attract' kinda thing. 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I'm pretty sure it's Anderson that says it's "nightmare stuff" on the Presidium after talking to the Council.

 

I like how the asari councilor will then say that the geth were somehow bought into this whole reaper business by Saren's charisma. Imagine that. 300 years of conflict with the geth could have been solved by simply making up some kind of crazy story. Saren is like super L Ron Hubbard, just conjuring up some weird reaper religion for machines. Tevos was hitting that red sand pretty hard.

 

Well, now I feel like a jerkass because I just realized that I mistook two black characters (the only two significant black characters) for each other. Man, now that's really going to be... unfortunate.

 

Who knows what the Council was trying to do to rationalize the Reapers and Saren and the Geth.

 

I think that was part of what BW was trying to show; the Council was trying to come up with an explanation to the whole shebang so that it wasn't as grim or terrifying as it appeared to be.

[TurianRebel212]

No, Drew K's departure as lead writer and Mac Walters taking over in ME3, was the worst thing that happened to Mass Effect. 

 

 

 

Walters happened. And will continue to happen...... It is..... Inevitable. 

[SporkFu]

I think that was part of what BW was trying to show; the Council was trying to come up with an explanation to the whole shebang so that it wasn't as grim or terrifying as it appeared to be.

Well sure, they didn't want to start a galaxy wide panic, that might cause a civilization to commit mass suicide, or sacrifice their firstborn children, or start wars. I mean, what if someone pushed the idea that the reapers were after the asari, so people started attacking the asari to 'appease' the reapers.

 

So they put the battle of the citadel on the geths' shoulders instead. The geth were a boogeyman that people knew about, and just mysterious enough that it's believable. 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Well sure, they didn't want to start a galaxy wide panic, that might cause a civilization to commit mass suicide, or sacrifice their firstborn children, or start wars. I mean, what if someone pushed the idea that the reapers were after the asari, so people started attacking the asari to 'appease' the reapers.

 

So they put the battle of the citadel on the geths' shoulders instead. The geth were a boogeyman that people knew about, and just mysterious enough that it's believable. 

 

That's a possibility, but then they never showed any private inclination to believe any differently. Your scenario assumes that the Council is quietly acknowledging the threat, whereas my scenario is that they themselves for the trick that you've just stated. They themselves didn't want to face the truth, so they created a veneer to hide behind. They figure they have a good thing going, too good for someone like Shepard to come up and rock the boat over an issue that they assume can't repeat itself.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

No, Drew K's departure as lead writer and Mac Walters taking over in ME3, was the worst thing that happened to Mass Effect. 

 

 

 

Walters happened. And will continue to happen...... It is..... Inevitable. 

 

I've said this before;

 

For one, you can't speculate that one person would have been better because the other guy did such a poor job. Where Drew would have taken the story is unknown. Although people cite the DE plot a lot, the big thing is that it never went past the most bare of conceptual writing stages. Probably didn't even make it off the brainstorm chart. You can't honestly say that he would have been any better or worse without any data. Since we have none, we can't conclude whether this is indeed the case or not.

[SporkFu]

That's a possibility, but then they never showed any private inclination to believe any differently. Your scenario assumes that the Council is quietly acknowledging the threat, whereas my scenario is that they themselves for the trick that you've just stated. They themselves didn't want to face the truth, so they created a veneer to hide behind. They figure they have a good thing going, too good for someone like Shepard to come up and rock the boat over an issue that they assume can't repeat itself.

I know, that's what bugs me. Private acknowledgement makes too much sense, so instead we get the air quotes. However I got the idea about that from the ME2 intro screen (if council survives ME1) : 

 

One month after the devastating geth attack on the Citadel, the galactic community struggles to rebuild.

 

The alliance fleet made a tremendous sacrifice to save the Citadel Council and earned humanity membership in their prestigious group. Now the Council is forced to respond to evidence that the Reapers - enormous machines that eradicate all organic civilization every 50,000 years - have returned. To quell the rumors, the COuncil has sent Commander Shepard and the Normandy to wipe out the last pockets of geth resistance. Officially, they blame the invasion on the geth and their leader, a rogue Spectre.

 

But for those who know the truth, the search for answers is just beginning...

 

Kinda suggests that they did indeed know the truth. 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

 

I know, that's what bugs me. Private acknowledgement makes too much sense, so instead we get the air quotes. However I got the idea about that from the ME2 intro screen (if council survives ME1) : 

 

One month after the devastating geth attack on the Citadel, the galactic community struggles to rebuild.

 

The alliance fleet made a tremendous sacrifice to save the Citadel Council and earned humanity membership in their prestigious group. Now the Council is forced to respond to evidence that the Reapers - enormous machines that eradicate all organic civilization every 50,000 years - have returned. To quell the rumors, the COuncil has sent Commander Shepard and the Normandy to wipe out the last pockets of geth resistance. Officially, they blame the invasion on the geth and their leader, a rogue Spectre.

 

But for those who know the truth, the search for answers is just beginning...

 

Kinda suggests that they did indeed know the truth. 

 

 

Even if they did (which is somewhat hinted in the Citadel DLC), they did nothing to prepare for it, and certainly nothing to stop it. They publicly and privately decry the person championing their existence, and even denying his offer of an alliance or help.

 

However, I tend to believe that by that statement given, they're referring to other people, such as Shepard, TIM, Anderson, and whatever people got wind of the information and chose to pursue it (such as the Shadow Broker). If the Council did believe it, with Shepard gone and no longer able to force the issue, as well as the horrifying reality of the threat, the Council chose the path of denial to simply wish away the threat. They convince themselves that it's not real and that they really don't have a fragile position in the galaxy running on borrowed time.

[SporkFu]

Even if they did (which is somewhat hinted in the Citadel DLC), they did nothing to prepare for it, and certainly nothing to stop it. They publicly and privately decry the person championing their existence, and even denying his offer of an alliance or help.

 

However, I tend to believe that by that statement given, they're referring to other people, such as Shepard, TIM, Anderson, and whatever people got wind of the information and chose to pursue it (such as the Shadow Broker). If the Council did believe it, with Shepard gone and no longer able to force the issue, as well as the horrifying reality of the threat, the Council chose the path of denial to simply wish away the threat. They convince themselves that it's not real and that they really don't have a fragile position in the galaxy running on borrowed time.

Yup, I think you're right. What we're shown in-game would bear that out, even if it is ridiculous behavior on the council's part. At least in ME3, during the standoff with the VS, Tevos can say (something like) "We've mistrusted you before, and it did not help us." 

[KaiserShep]

Bondmates when they were younger, like an 'opposites attract' kinda thing. 

 

It was just a fling. It only lasted like, 50 years.

[dreamgazer]

I've said this before;
 
For one, you can't speculate that one person would have been better because the other guy did such a poor job. Where Drew would have taken the story is unknown. Although people cite the DE plot a lot, the big thing is that it never went past the most bare of conceptual writing stages. Probably didn't even make it off the brainstorm chart. You can't honestly say that he would have been any better or worse without any data. Since we have none, we can't conclude whether this is indeed the case or not.

I don't really agree. The dark energy concept shows where Drew's brain was at, and that included making the Reapers far more unarguably noble than they were in ME3's ending, as well as forcing a "grimdark" decision whether to sacrifice humanity or quickly approach extinction. Let alone what that implies about Shepard as the one working against their efforts. As they are in ME3, you can still dismiss them as tools of a warped agenda and refute their logic; in DE, they're truly the saviors of the galaxy, and that's something you can take away from the barest of narrative skeletons.

[SporkFu]

It was just a fling. It only lasted like, 50 years.

A time that Tevos was never able to forget.

[KaiserShep]

 

I know, that's what bugs me. Private acknowledgement makes too much sense, so instead we get the air quotes. However I got the idea about that from the ME2 intro screen (if council survives ME1) : 

 

One month after the devastating geth attack on the Citadel, the galactic community struggles to rebuild.

 

The alliance fleet made a tremendous sacrifice to save the Citadel Council and earned humanity membership in their prestigious group. Now the Council is forced to respond to evidence that the Reapers - enormous machines that eradicate all organic civilization every 50,000 years - have returned. To quell the rumors, the COuncil has sent Commander Shepard and the Normandy to wipe out the last pockets of geth resistance. Officially, they blame the invasion on the geth and their leader, a rogue Spectre.

 

But for those who know the truth, the search for answers is just beginning...

 

Kinda suggests that they did indeed know the truth. 

 

 

If you have Tali with you when speaking to the Avina terminal, she will flat out say that the Council is lying to cover it up.

[angol fear]

I've said this before;

 

For one, you can't speculate that one person would have been better because the other guy did such a poor job.

 

Mac Walters did a poor job? You should try to write after someone else to understand how hard it is. You can dislike what he made but there's no poor job with Mass Effect 3. You should be more respectful...

[grey_wind]

Eh, I think a lot of the ideas around ME2's incarnation of Cerberus are actually pretty interesting. It's their execution and contradiction to the ME1 incarnation that leaves something to be desired. However, that could have probably been overlooked and forgiven if Cerberus didn't suddenly become the Sith Empire in ME3 and TIM didn't transform into a version of Eggman with Martin Sheen's voice.

[SporkFu]

If you have Tali with you when speaking to the Avina terminal, she will flat out say that the Council is lying to cover it up.

I must try that next time I'm on the citadel. I was gonna take Tali anyway for that Quarian/Volus/C-Sec jerk encounter. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Mac Walters did a poor job? You should try to write after someone else to understand how hard it is. You can dislike what he made but there's no poor job with Mass Effect 3. You should be more respectful...

 

*ehm, ehm*

 

[KaiserShep]

I must try that next time I'm on the citadel. I was gonna take Tali anyway for that Quarian/Volus/C-Sec jerk encounter. 

 

They're even worse when Tali is with you, because Tali will chime in about the pilgrimage, and will object to the quarian being called a vagrant, and both the C-Sec officer and volus a-holes will seem even more discriminatory. This can be annoying because Shepard's dialogue is unchanged, when anyone who may be romancing the character or simply like Tali would likely want to be more indignant.

[SporkFu]

They're even worse when Tali is with you, because Tali will chime in about the pilgrimage, and will object to the quarian being called a vagrant, and both the C-Sec officer and volus a-holes will seem even more discriminatory. This can be annoying because Shepard's dialogue is unchanged, when anyone who may be romancing the character or simply like Tali would likely want to be more indignant.

Yup, but I always save that encounter until Tali can be there if I'm romancing her.

[KaiserShep]

I always save it for Tali's recruitment too. I try to bring companions that will contribute the most to any mission big or small. It's also why Miranda has to come with me on the final stretch of the suicide mission. It's just not the same without Miranda being the one to cut TIM off.

[SporkFu]

I always save it for Tali's recruitment too. I try to bring companions that will contribute the most to any mission big or small. It's also why Miranda has to come with me on the final stretch of the suicide mission. It's just not the same without Miranda being the one to cut TIM off.

If I'm not romancing Tali, I usually do that encounter pretty early, like first tour around the citadel early. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

I always save it for Tali's recruitment too. I try to bring companions that will contribute the most to any mission big or small. It's also why Miranda has to come with me on the final stretch of the suicide mission. It's just not the same without Miranda being the one to cut TIM off.

 

I generally do it early just because it kinda breaks suspension for me to have those guys arguing for a few weeks.

[KaiserShep]

I generally do it early just because it kinda breaks suspension for me to have those guys arguing for a few weeks.

 

Yeah, I basically just metagame around them by not passing by them so that the journal doesn't update.