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How does the Crucible target only synthetic life?


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CosmicGnosis

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It makes no sense that the Crucible can distinguish between what is and isn't synthetic life. Shouldn't the Destroy ending have resulted in the destruction of all technology, no matter how much EMS you have?

 

In some ways, Synthesis seems more feasible than High-EMS Destroy. At least it's all-encompassing. Destroy's best variant is too specific.



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I try not to think about it. It is a machine that can facilitate Synthesis so it's clear it is beyond our current understanding.



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I view it as similar to an EMP. The wave disables most technology, but, well, with a bit of work you can simply switch an engine back on again. Lightbulbs might do little more than flicker. Even a biotic implant won't kill you if it simply stops working.

 

However, if a synthetic mind is switched off for a short amount of time, you can't just switch it back on. A bit like how the brain doesn't work any more if it stops getting oxygen. Synthetic minds require quantum computing in the MEU, and quantum processes are notoriously unstable (and this is in real world physics - seriously, just look at anything quantum and you'll disturb it). So I imagine that switching the power off kills the mind.

 

As for the organic parts of the Reapers - presumably they rely on the synthetic parts being switched on to carry on surviving? (This brings up scary implications regarding people on life-support throughout the galaxy.)

 

There. Some speculation and headcanon, but it's a good enough answer for me.

 

In my opinion, Synthesis is a whole other ball-park of unreal.



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But in the Mass Effect universe, dead people can be brought back to life, even when the brain loses oxygen (Shepard). Could organic resurrection really be easier than synthetic resurrection?



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When in doubt, space magic is the answer.



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Not that hard. EMP is useful for shorting out circuits.



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It's worth noting that I heavily headcanon my way around the Lazarus project, because bringing someone back from complete information death of the brain should be impossible. Like trying to reset a thousand different games of chess exactly the way they were, just after an atomic bomb dropped on the building. Or trying to find out what was written in a book after someone has burnt it to a crisp. You can't do it.

 

So I invoke a stasis field in Shepard's helmet, activated before the brain could deteriorate too much. I guess the synthetic equivalent would be having a backup which didn't get fried.



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I suppose it's the same answer as the one to Spider-Man's eternal mystery: "How do I shot web?"

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It's worth noting that I heavily headcanon my way around the Lazarus project, because bringing someone back from complete information death of the brain should be impossible. Like trying to reset a thousand different games of chess exactly the way they were, just after an atomic bomb dropped on the building. Or trying to find out what was written in a book after someone has burnt it to a crisp. You can't do it.

 

So I invoke a stasis field in Shepard's helmet, activated before the brain could deteriorate too much. I guess the synthetic equivalent would be having a backup which didn't get fried.

I suppose that could work. 

 

I hope that the next Mass Effect game actually bothers to elaborate upon the physics of the Crucible. I think it would be a grave mistake to ignore it, considering that I, a huge fan of the series that is willing to forgive many flaws, still have issues with this particular plot point.



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It makes no sense that the Crucible can distinguish between what is and isn't synthetic life. Shouldn't the Destroy ending have resulted in the destruction of all technology, no matter how much EMS you have?

 

 

What does "all technology" even mean?



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Think of synthetic life as integrated circuits like computers and all of our electronics, and other technology as vacuum tube circuits. Vacuum tube circuits will survive an EMP.



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What does "all technology" even mean?

 

Organic life will suffer a universe bereft of paperclips, scissors and wedge tools of any kind.


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 All machines are reset to factory defaults. Death for synthetics, minor setback for everything else.

 

It also explains why Nugg!Shep wakes up from unconsciousness: implants were off, then restart.



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I view it as similar to an EMP. The wave disables most technology, but, well, with a bit of work you can simply switch an engine back on again. Lightbulbs might do little more than flicker. Even a biotic implant won't kill you if it simply stops working.
 
However, if a synthetic mind is switched off for a short amount of time, you can't just switch it back on. A bit like how the brain doesn't work any more if it stops getting oxygen. Synthetic minds require quantum computing in the MEU, and quantum processes are notoriously unstable (and this is in real world physics - seriously, just look at anything quantum and you'll disturb it). So I imagine that switching the power off kills the mind.
 
As for the organic parts of the Reapers - presumably they rely on the synthetic parts being switched on to carry on surviving? (This brings up scary implications regarding people on life-support throughout the galaxy.)
 
There. Some speculation and headcanon, but it's a good enough answer for me.
 
In my opinion, Synthesis is a whole other ball-park of unreal.


If EMP worked on the Reapers, there'd be no harvest and there'd be no cycles.
Besides, strong enough EMPs will kill organic life.

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"Stupid machine." 

 

If you want the best Destroy Ending, try going for the 1750 and below EMS. That one's more believable. 



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Because we're told so.



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If EMP worked on the Reapers, there'd be no harvest and there'd be no cycles.
Besides, strong enough EMPs will kill organic life.

More so, if EMPs were a legitimate/useful way to disable electronics, they'd be used extensively by the military. 

And since most important systems and shielded against an EMP, and all that is required to "block" one is a sheet of aluminum foil, there's a small chance the Reapers might not be effected by it. 
 



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There's hardware that's capable of but doesn't always run software that's sufficienty complex to be synthetic life (geth uploading to quarian suits, conversely other geth platforms being described as shells just filled with Reaper code but not actual synthetic life). So it has to somehow distinguish what the software running on a completely alien platform is doing. In other words just try to forget about it, it's another thing chucked in there because the writers wanted something to happen and that thing happening is more important than it making any sense at all. Now of course fiction, especially science fiction is full of things that simply don't make sense or work if you dig hard enough but I expect to need to do at least a little digging before reaching that point, especially on such key, important events.

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Because Bioware's high quality writing.

Honestly I've no idea. Its definitely strange how nobody working on the Crucible all that time noticed that.



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The only thing that the technology targeted in Destroy has in common is a basis in Reaper tech. EDI was built on it, the Geth will have directly integrated it if they're alive at this point, the Relays qualify along with the Reapers thenselves. I still think that's the deciding factor.

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Space magic or inconsistent logic. 

 

I can't decide which is worse. 


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Maybe the Crucible blast wave can be tuned to only affect quantum particles that are specific to Synthetic life, which for some reason are so close/similar to quantum particles within technology that they too are affected?

Also, another phenomenon we know of that took place at FTL speed is Inflation which took place after the Big Bang, which is supposed to be an expansion of space itself. I suppose a Big Bang Inflation type blast works thematically with the "new reality" or "new beginning" of the ending.

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The only thing that the technology targeted in Destroy has in common is a basis in Reaper tech. EDI was built on it, the Geth will have directly integrated it if they're alive at this point, the Relays qualify along with the Reapers thenselves. I still think that's the deciding factor.

The only similarity EDI has is reaper based code, digital information....my god the crucible is just a giant usb Wireless adapter.



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But in the Mass Effect universe, dead people can be brought back to life, even when the brain loses oxygen (Shepard). Could organic resurrection really be easier than synthetic resurrection?

 

 

Why not, if that's how the technologies work?