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[Khall1898]

InvaderErl wrote...

See, this is what I mean by Humanity's rise to power as being a stumbling block for the universe. The game essentially says all of the other races are idiots. I think during the inspection Shep mentions that humanity introduced fighter carriers to the galaxy. Am I really supposed to believe that only humans have ever had the idea to create a ship from which fighters would be launched? Really, in all those many centuries of bloody conflict nobody considered it?

If they had pushed the time between the First Contact War and the start of the game farther apart by let's say a century - then it would have been far more believable.

I think this post pretty much sums up this entire thread, you are basically assuming that humanity and other races from a different part of the GALAXY evolved and progressed in the same way. This is obviously not true, obviously because of how quickly humanity rose to the top in comparison to other species.

(Back to the whole fighter carrier subject) Humanity discovered during World War 2 the effectiveness of carriers, now that idea would obviously carry over into space......for us. Who's to say that another species from the other side of the galaxy would evolve along the same lines???? Owned

To sum up, saying the story loses it's viability JUST because of how fast humanity has advance in comparison to other species is just stupid. I think you need to go back to school open your history book and look at just how fast humanity has evolved in the past 50-100 years, it has a striking resemblance to the way they quickly advance in the ME storyline.

Anyway quit complaining.

[Elemental_805]

Maybe in Mass Effect 3 we will find out that the humans are decendents or created by the protheins and thats why they are able to advance faster then the other aliens

[drstrangelove14]

If all the technology is based on Prothean/Reaper technology isn't it logical to assume that the other species have reached the upper limit of what is technologically feasible. It would be similar to the trend in microprocessors right now, it is predicted that we will not be able to keep reducing the manufacturing process.

[Auron07]

Going back to the salarian thing and why they havent advanced much, this could be a result, as someone else mentioned, of their short life spans. Consider humans (cant really compare to anything else) who have to learn for at least 20-25 years or more. If you assume that salarians are somewhat faster in learning, that could still be 10-15 years of their life of 30-40 years.
It may be that ME1 is indirectly saying that the human lifespan is just right. Asari live too long and become stagnant, while Salarians live too short to make a noticeable difference. Kinda the happy medium...

Modifié par Auron07, 05 février 2010 - 07:23 .

[Malanthor]

Instead of trying to make something stupid seem logic, why not just call it stupid?

I doubt the designers are the brainiest guys in the world, and i would not hesitate long to say that they probably havent thought everything through. Or maybe some of them are human supremists, thinking that the human race are uber, when in reality we are pretty pathetic and would end up with the short straw versus alot of alien "concept" races. We do not work together well at all and we are really not all that driven or logical. As a race that is, there are offcource special individuals. We do not even breed very fast so this tremendous human expansion is just plain rediculous. The developers need to get a grip in ME3, unless they plan to introduce some lame excuse for their actions instead.

[Madman17]

On the point mentioned a while back about humans being so powerfull, Every time we hear this in the books/games it usually comes from a humans mouth so i wouldnt take it fro granted. Also the Turians were far more powerfull at first contact, i mean one of their patrols captured an entire colony and it says oon the codex " Fortunatly for humanity the first contact war was ended with a diplomatic solution" On the technology point i dont think any race advances to far beyond the basic "prothean" technology . This is why the reapers put them their so that they could have everything they need and no longer be unpredictable as organic life generally is.

[Moleculor]

The other aliens have spent centuries/millennia relying on technology they just picked up and scavenged from Reaper-tech ("Prothean" mass relays, etc). Humanity hasn't spent centuries believing that "this is all we can accomplish" so they're still expanding and trying to innovate. Reaper tech such as mass relays are DESIGNED to be so convenient no one bothers to look for any alternatives.



Plus, the human race has a decade unimpeded by influence from races, time to grow, expand, flourish. Most other races were actually found and brought into the galactic civilization, humanity pushed outwards long before anyone came across them. But they knew SOMETHING dangerous was out there, since the Prothean ruins were, well, ruins. So they worked on military tech the whole decade (which is why they had the might to win the First Contact War).



If you visit places like the club in the Citadel in ME1, you'll see that many of the patrons AREN'T human. However, the Alliance military's ties to Shepherd make them seem more prominent than they are (since they're believe in the threat of Sovereign long before anyone in the Council, and so are prepared to take the Reaver down at a moment's notice).

[the scottinator]

so why are you defending aliens? this is the thinking that really pissed me off in avatar( and hey while I'm at it there the military argument for you) honestly if i was a human in that era I work hard to close that tech gap remember humans are very stubburn creatures

[Phaedra Sanguine]

(going to skip a lot of replies here and just reply to the OP) If you think that's weird... how about the fact that in, ME (our own universe, let's just pretend this is real for a moment), before first contact, we'd apparently been sitting around in the Sol cluster for thousands of years, completely undiscovered by these other races. Why?



I mean if they're going about their business, traveling around the galaxy, you'd think they'd stumble into our solar system and be all like 'YO WHO DIS?!'

[dwilson031]

I've read alot of posts about how the lack of major conflicts lead to technological stagnation. While the lack of conflicts may or maynot be true, (the codex can only hold so much info after all), there is still the presense of the Terminus system. The council recognizes the threat of the Terminus system, which is why it won't send a fleet in in ME1, and would have to prepare accordingly. Let's not forget the cold war started the space race, which lead to amazing advances in technology

[TheDFO]

So, here are some things that have been mentioned (and some that haven't) that I'm gonna poll together as we humans are so advanced in ME (that said, I did think there was closer to 50-100 years past between the contact war with the turians and now).



One: We're supposed to find this extreme advance a little odd. Every other race in the game finds it odd. Humanity is supposed to be advancing much faster than usual.



Two: I think the humans were one of the few races to find not only an intact prothean ruin, but intact, and WORKING prothean SHIPS. Basically, I think we got a HUGE leg up in terms of tech.



Three: It's been said, but we're actively trying to push the envelope were the other races aren't. The council wants us to settle the Terminus systems, something they haven't done in how many millenium?



Four: As to the Salarians, I think the reason they don't dominate is that they aren't particularly militaristic. One of the codex entries says that the salarians know they are a "small fish in a pond full of sharks," so instead of growing some big f'ing teeth, like the humans are trying to do, they just latched themselves onto the Turians (who, I might add, are a much younger race).



Five: We get a bit of an...inflated...view of humanity in the games. First we play as a human on a human ship, visiting mostly human worlds. Aside from Omega and Illium in ME2, the major colonies we visit are human colonized worlds, so of course there are more humans. And even the wards are manly human because we are in the human sector.



Sixth: We seem to be the only race seriously interested in advancing military tech inside of our biological timeframe (aka 100 or so years of a humans life). The Asari seem to not be too interested in that, and given they live for 1000 or so years, they don't have the drive humans do. Turians may or may not live as long as humans, but they are very rigid in their military doctrine, and so probably are like the people who still thought battles on earth should be fought by lining the two armies up and shooting at each other without any cover. The Salarians don't expect to have a very strong military, and so are focused on other paths (covert warfare). Finally, the Krogans like fighting enough to be a threat, but they really don't care about tech. If the salarians hadn't have given them so much before/during/after the Rachni war, the krogan's wouldn't have been any threat. Remember, these people are apparently one of the few races to build nuclear weapons, bomb themselves back into the stone age, and not learn anything from it.





And to Paxcorpus: We weren't discovered because the council, for probably the past 2000 years, had strictly forbidden opening unexplored relays (to avoid a repeat of the Rachni wars). It seems they wanted both ends to be charted before you activated them. This basically meant that someone would have to use conventional FTL to travel to our system, which seems to be a good way away from anything else.

[DPSSOC]

dwilson031 wrote...

I've read alot of posts about how the lack of major conflicts lead to technological stagnation. While the lack of conflicts may or maynot be true, (the codex can only hold so much info after all), there is still the presense of the Terminus system. The council recognizes the threat of the Terminus system, which is why it won't send a fleet in in ME1, and would have to prepare accordingly. Let's not forget the cold war started the space race, which lead to amazing advances in technology

Yes but the Terminus isn't some unified body, it's an area of the Galaxy controlled by shifting groups of pirates, slavers, etc.  There is no Terminus government to fund RnD for new tech and strategies, so I think any kind of "fleet" the Terminus could field would be a mixed group of vessels, sizeable perhaps but hardly top of the line, with little cohesion or discipline.

[JonyKJ]

What has always disturbed me in all this is the lack of drive in other species ( no evidence in humans either) to understand Mass Relays, why wouldn't you want to replicate that technology anywhere in the galaxy? Are the council races so well of that there is no need for further resource exploitation? If there is one thing I learned in economics is that people always want more, and for what I've seen alien economics works pretty much like ours (Illium). Since wars seem to be rare and no advances come from them expanding economically should the next big drive for development but still technology development seems to have stagnated. Since it is designed by the reapers it may be very hard to understand but the Protheans built the damm Conduit so it's not impossible.

Speaking of the Conduit, why didn't Citadel species rip open the core to try and see what was inside? Just out of curiosity there doesn't even need to be a scientific reason that's what I and every other space faring human would do, I would be dammed if any of those bugs would work on my newly discovered space station without me knowing what they were doing.

The concept of using technology for so long without understanding is beyond me I understand the rush humans had in opening them and start colonizing the hell out of space but the asari have been using them for a long time (don't know how long but even with asari life times this should be unthinkable)

[Malanthor]

There are many ilogical issues with the game, so please dont take it to literal.
I think bioware should work harder to make certain decisions in game seem more logical, all they would need is a sentence or two to explain it. Like how the other races knowing the danger of the universe, knowing the threat of the reapers still slumber around dooing **** in building up their military power, hell the counsil was attacked in person by a reaper, dont say they dont fear it or acknowledge it. Nono they pretend it didnt exist, sorry but thats not how any thinking logical race would act. Not even close. This is a constant danger looming over them and as such the only logical decision would be to tech up and build up your military forces. But hey as i said the game is not logical, bioware need to work harder in me3 imo.

Modifié par Self Controll, 08 février 2010 - 12:48 .

[JonyKJ]

Self Controll wrote...

There are many ilogical issues with the game, so please dont take it to literal.
I think bioware should work harder to make certain decisions in game seem more logical, all they would need is a sentence or two to explain it. Like how the other races knowing the danger of the universe, knowing the threat of the reapers still slumber around dooing **** in building up their military power, hell the counsil was attacked in person by a reaper, dont say they dont fear it or acknowledge it. Nono they pretend it didnt exist, sorry but thats not how any thinking logical race would act. Not even close. This is a constant danger looming over them and as such the only logical decision would be to tech up and build up your military forces. But hey as i said the game is not logical, bioware need to work harder in me3 imo.

Just pointing out some flaws, in no way this affects my experience but still it makes me wonder. And maybe the council has something up their sleeves, it seems to me that they are covering the reapers up to avoid chaos among citadel species but they have to be preparing somehow it would be really illogical if they weren't, maybe an improved ascencion that you get if you saved the council? Who knows...