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[Maria Caliban]

That is the  Ultiame goal of a   relationship  between a man and woman is to meet fall in love and  procreate but  i have no clue as to what the goal between people of the same sex is

To try to take over the world.

[Chron0id]

Sex is a reward all the time in real life- video games are no different. Husband gives me a massage, I put out. Husband buys me flowers, I put out. Husband cooks me dinner, I put out. Happy wife happy life!

If only if it were this easy with unmarried women.

[Hizoku]

Sex is a reward all the time in real life- video games are no different. Husband gives me a massage, I put out. Husband buys me flowers, I put out. Husband cooks me dinner, I put out. Happy wife happy life!

you've trained him well 

[Reznore57]

I remember watching this video a while ago , and mostly felt like this guy never played the DA games.

Does sex feel like a reward , yeah sometimes.

But companions in DA can leave you or won't sleep with you because they don't like how you act.

I should know banging Fenris in DA2 without metagaming wasn't easy.

Some companions won't even sleep with you at all anyway.

 

I mean I could ask the same question about the video , is the guy genuine or just trying to cause a buzz and get viewers with getting controversial about the sex topic?

He raises some good point but it doesn't feel like he did his homework about the game he's having a fit about.

[Quinnzel]

To try to take over the world.

Aaaand now I'll forever see my Dwarf FemQuisitor romancing Sera as Pinky and the Brain

[Roamingmachine]

Sex is a reward all the time in real life- video games are no different. Husband gives me a massage, I put out. Husband buys me flowers, I put out. Husband cooks me dinner, I put out. Happy wife happy life!

And if all parties of the relationship are happy, mission accomplished!

[Neon Rising Winter]

To try to take over the world.

Well that's Pinky and the Brain put into a whole new light.

[Osena109]

To try to take over the world.

So  Pinky and the brain kind of slapstick comedy maria?

[Fialka]

Um, anyway. The sex as reward trope is certainly one that warrants examination... However, its a trope hardly exclusive to games. In books, film, etc. the culmination of a relationship, even of simple attraction between two people, is sex.

Yes, when you are playing a game, which rewards you for certain actions, a relationship/flirtation that ends in sex can come across as the same. I'm just not sure what the alternative is. A chaste marriage, a la Sebastian? A lot of people were unhappy with that, and personally I find marriage as culmination of romance traditional and boring - especially if that's the conclusion of every romance. A simple kiss? I feel like I'm in middle school.

Not saying every in-game relationship has to include sex, and it sounds like in Inquisition that option might be there, but to show a romantic relationship between two consenting adults and pretending they aren't sleeping together is simply unrealistic.

The only solution I see is to make the relationships themselves feel less game-y and more organic, and it sounds like this time around they're trying to do just that. Whether they were successful remains to be seen.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

No. Here's why. 

 

If Bioware makes sex as a reward for a quest, I think that most people will get unnecessarily offended about it, start whining about sanctity of sexual relationships, objectification, this social justice agenda and that politically correct agenda...It will unnecessarily and pointlessly open a can of worms.

 

Plus, getting a new armor or a new weapon or a new ability is a better reward than sex. It is not like we will be able to see the sexual intercourse that we got as a reward in all its glory because that will again offend the fragile feelings of most people. Also, we won't be able to repeatedly get sex from the person that rewards it. The same cannot be said for armors, weapons, spells or talents. 

 

Sex is the most overrated, most overhyped and the most overinflated commodity, service and skill we have. All it ever really does is give you a few moments of pleasure and a burden in the form of offsprings. It sure feels good but so does other things and other things have a lot more innate worth. 

 

So having sex as a reward is not worth it at all. I would rather have new armor or a new weapon or a new spell or a new skill or a new batch of troops or new supplies or new keep....

[Enigmatick]

Has Jim dropped his gimmick yet? Or are his videos still cringeworthy? Does he have a typed version?

[Ashira Shepard]

I can see what he's saying in as much as it can subtly reinforce the idea that there's this vending machine mechanic going on with regards to romances & sex scenes, but to me it's more about how it's handled in game and by the creators. Though I would certainly appreciate more things going on between the PC and LI after they've had their initial scene to indicate their relationship.

 

Jimquisition?  Yeah, not that watching that dreck.  It sounds like a whole lot of of slippery slope and other logical fallacies.  I never cared about the sex scenes in Bioware games.  The romances, to me, offered more character interaction and a layer of depth not offered in other games.  I LOVE character interaction, which is something Bioware is good at.  And good God there's nothing wrong with expecting sex in a meaningful relationship anyway.  As Sigmund Freud once put it....

 

The only unusual sexual activitiy is not having any.

 

Sigmund Freud had...a lot of issues. One of them being that no one today with any respect for the field of psychology would actually cite him as a credible resource. Guy was way too creepily fixated on everyone secretly wanting to bone their parents.

 

Also some people are perfectly healthy and go without having sex, you may have heard of these mystical beings called asexuals...

[I know there's grey areas regards aro/ace individuals who engage in sexual activity, but you know what I'm trying to get at here]

[Darth Death]

Women offer sex in order to have love...

Men offer love in order to have sex...

 

It's the ultimate goal in life for some, but not all. In certain games, sex is the zenith by which a well developed romance must reach. There's no other satisfaction in the mind of the hopeless romantic.    

[Souris]

I'd like to say he lost me the moment he said he respected Dead or Alive more than DA when it comes to sex, but honestly thats just the point where I turned off the video, because he lost me long before that. 

 

Him trying to spin Bioware saying 'its the culmination of spending a lot of time with a character and getting to know them' as them saying sex is the ultimate "reward" is also ludicrous - a relationship is exactly the same thing, sex is the eventual result of two people who get to know each other and form a relationship, unless one/both people are asexual and don't want that as an eventuality. (Yes I know this is a broad general stroke, but people have sex/don't have sex for many many reasons).

 

Anyway, he's reaching for the stars in an attempt to stir up something that isn't there.

[Wiggs Magee]

Not a big fan of Jim's video presentation... but i digress...

I can see the point of view that in a fair few of Bioware's romances the 'sex' is sort of seen as the final 'reward' for pursuing the romance, especially in ME2... where you usually only have 1 maybe 2 lines of dialogue with your LI after the horizontal Shepard Shuffle... but for me those scenes have always just sorta been somet to meh over... and the dialouge in the romance is what i enjoy...

Outside an opinion.. there are many romances in Bioware games that do disagree with the idea of sex being the end goal... in ME2 you can have a shallow go with Jack at the very start, and in DA games the sex itself isn't the end point of the relationship.. Zeveran can sleep with you and thats almost near the start of the romance arc... And for ME3... many romances pursue the continuation of relationships past that sex scene 

[Rykn]

Oh god no Let's not please. It began and it had a climax near the end. Topics like this are what turned the B social network into hell.

[Ashira Shepard]

Oh god no Let's not please. It began and it had a climax near the end. Topics like this are what turned the B social network into hell.

 

...what you mean this isn't just another circle of it? Well, dang.

[Chron0id]

Women offer sex in order to have love...

Men offer love in order to have sex...

 

It's the ultimate goal in life for some, but not all. In certain games, sex is the zenith by which a well developed romance must reach. There's no other satisfaction in the mind of the hopeless romantic.    

Okay, I kind of find that sweeping blanket statement offensive, as a male personally. 

[Zyree]

Well I do agree that the idea of people doing nice things for me just to get in my pants is super creepy and cringe-worthy (too much experience with guys thinking they deserve sex because they did the dishes or bought me something nice or paid for dinner even after I insisted we split the bill), but I never got this impression from the DA games. In fact I generally find DA romances decently tasteful and the sex scenes never seem overdone unless you seek them out. The sex never feels like a reward but rather a fairly natural progression in the relationship.

 

I would like the option one day to progress the romance without having sex but that isn't due to me feeling the is is offered up as a reward.

[Chron0id]

I can see what he's saying in as much as it can subtly reinforce the idea that there's this vending machine mechanic going on with regards to romances & sex scenes, but to me it's more about how it's handled in game and by the creators. Though I would certainly appreciate more things going on between the PC and LI after they've had their initial scene to indicate their relationship.

 

 

Sigmund Freud had...a lot of issues. One of them being that no one today with any respect for the field of psychology would actually cite him as a credible resource. Guy was way too creepily fixated on everyone secretly wanting to bone their parents.

 

Also some people are perfectly healthy and go without having sex, you may have heard of these mystical beings called asexuals...

[I know there's grey areas regards aro/ace individuals who engage in sexual activity, but you know what I'm trying to get at here]

Yeah, no, of course, Sigmund Freud is not credible at all! He's only cited in every psychology text book ever made. 

[Darth Death]

Okay, I kind of find that sweeping blanket statement offensive, as a male personally. 

As expected if you do not understand the true meaning.

[Eternal Phoenix]

i did thank you and am not  sorry about my old  fanshioned beliefs

 

Saying such a piece on BSN of all places is bound to get you hate mail.

 

​Although I don't know what's "old fashioned" about your belief. It's possible to disagree with same sex relations and still acknowledge that they can be about love/lust just like any straight relationship so I thought you were trolling initially to deny this.

 

No matter, get behind my flame shield and I'll cover your exit from the thread:

 

[Chron0id]

As expected if you do not understand the true meaning.

No, the meaning was clear.  That quote stated women are after love, and men are all sex-craving fiends who don't care about love at all. 

It couldn't have been clearer. 

[Rykn]

Okay, I kind of find that sweeping blanket statement offensive, as a male personally.

 

Oh yes what that person said was um.... untrue. Yes that is not a aggressive word!

The truth of the matter is actually quite fascinating, how the actual female and male brain differ whatnot. In the most base of terms in sort of a prime directive the brain has is that men prefer to have sex to relieve stress while woman prefer to have sex when their stress free. It worked with ancient man. Ancient Man defeats foes comes home to relax and the woman doesn't put out until she's safe and he's done the job properly.

 

It doesn't really work well in modern society where old gender roles are frankly, unneeded. The brain actually does a ton of stuff that worked well for early humans but often screws people over in our safer more modern society. Sad times.

[Ashira Shepard]

Yeah, no, of course, Sigmund Freud is not credible at all! He's only cited in every psychology text book ever made. 

 

The only place his work is treated with active reverence is france, he's largely discredited otherwise. 

 

You know, besides the fact that I kind of don't trust someone who's convinced about the children/parent sexual fixation thing.