Well...to be fair...Iron Bull is a mercenary, and mercenaries usually do stuff for money and personal gain. Though I guess we don't know enough about him yet to make the assumption that he's the same.
I would have thought it would be easier (from both a programming and story perspective) to simply allow for you to romance multiple polyamorous characters. In the panel, David Gaider and the others talk about 4 stages of romance from flirting to closing off other possible romances. If the LI's are poly, why do other romances need to be cut off rather than just letting both separate romance stories run to their conclusion?
I wouldn't mind it being included if they could do it well.
I think the reason they feel it could be challenging because romances are already extra optional content, and poly romances could raise questions like, "Can you enter a romance with just one? Or both? Is the content different if it's only one and not both or all of them or whatever?"
The easiest way to do it would probably be to have a couple you could join, but ONLY with them together. So sort of like a traditional romance, but with two people on the other side.
I can't say I'd raise a fuss over its inclusion.
Though it does sound like it would be very complicated to implement, somewhat in terms of coding and very much in terms of actual content. Sounds like a lot of effort for an optional content piece in addition to the monogamous optional content they make.
Couldn't you have one in Jade Empire with the two female romances? I could be wrong, I've just heard about it
The selfish and ''evil'' type of character, that are in the whole thing for their own personal gain. We currently have a whole cast of characters that fight for the greater good, law, order and honor.
Well, don't most GMs in games such as DND prohibit their players from having a truly "evil" type of character, because it becomes near impossible to keep a team together with someone like that?
I mean, imagine if we really had a truly selfish and amoral character in our party. What's to stop them from killing us in our sleep, and taking off with all of our weapons and gold? Their word that they won't? 0o
It's more a question of content than anything. Monogamous romances already take up place; polyamory would mean creating content specific to three characters (counting the PC) in addition to the usual one.
Plus, we already have enough questions and drama about who's a romance and who's gay and who's straight and who's race-gated and whatnot, adding a ''who's OK with you also romancing who'' layer will probably make the whole thing needlessly complicated.
I'm all for inclusion if Bioware wants to do it, but I can easily see the numerous obstacles, and it probably just isn't worth it. Perhaps if the PC is the third part of an existing couple, it could work.
1. Not everyone is polyamorous. Lots of people are monogamous. BioWare has said that they develop characters first and then decide who will be love interest. If a character is polyamorous, it's because the writer thinks it's appropriate for their character, not because players want to romance several people at once.
This bolded part should be in every single thread about romances in these forums
Sigh, we can't even get enough diversity of world views in the party. Something I personally would consider a bigger priority.
I would consider both "priority" - because being able to imagine oneself with a lover (and having an open relationship, without that possessiveness that traditional relationships have (she is MINE, you can look but don't touch *laughs evily")) takes having a different world view as well IMHO (i don't get why people limit themselves needlessly...I would love to get to know a women who might not be "mine" (like my computer is - hell, looking at people like possessions and reacting badly if they don't behave exactly like they want to is quite bad (not to mention narrow minded!)), but love me as well as another (or a few others)...I would not view that as a problem (I have more problems with intolerance and narrow mindedness and hatred of everything that does not fit into peoples pre-conceived notions...*shakes his head and sighs*)
Note: Such relationships might not work long time and might not be as stable (not sure if that is true, it's just what I have read) as a 1 on 1 relationship, but at least they are more fun (uncommon though 
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ps: Yeah, I am all for love-triangles etc. 
(adds more drama, might lead to some fights etc. - add more of a social component that would be a nice distraction from constantly killing stuff and being someones GOFER (which is all too common in RPGs - even if you are supposedly the high and mighty "I can destroy the world" guy...I would love a better narrative, with it sounding like we are calling the shots (maybe DA:I can deliver here?)...it may only be an illusion, but it would still make me feel better )
I'd have no problem with this since people are clearly interested in it. I would just want it to be optional for those of us who aren't interested in poly relationships.
Would people consider the PC/Silk Fox/Dawn Star relationship to be poly?
Polyamory would be a nightmare to implement because of all the permutations, and it's just not a feasible return on investment.
It seems that minimal resources go into romances in the first place, and they are a fantastic return on investment because its' reliability has won them a very loyal (and very... strange) fanbase. Homosexual and bisexual romances are icing on the cake, winning them major LGBBQ cred and expanding to another loyal niche market.
They would also be walking on eggshells with people who already claim Dragon Age is exploitative in regards to sexuality. The last thing that Bioware needs is a bunch of people claiming that the games have become a playable harem anime and reversing what credibility they've gained so far.
EDIT: I recognize the typo. ...I'm leaving it.
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Being in a polyamorous relationship myself(tri) I'm also interested in seeing a poly relationship put in a game, of course they'll have to put in a bit more content in order to make it feel complete due to there being more than one person but if done right, it can turn out to be one of the more favored of the romances of any game.
How do polyamorous relationships work in real life?
How would you like them to work in Dragon Age Inquisition?
I am really sorry. I am 100% ignorant on this matter.
I wish to be better informed, that's all.
Too far and too much. The in game character relationships could go further- more interaction, possibility of disagreements and breakup, more acknowledgement of the relationship in game- adding a poly element would be more than I'd like. If a writer finds an interesting way to do it, fine, but I really see it as low on the priority list. I think folks still like romantic ideals of a one true love, that is not about ownership, but instead about true connection.
The only way I see it working is if the PC was able to pursue a romantic relationship with more than one person, and that both those people were OK with it, but not the three of them together as a couple or thruple.
I think folks still like romantic ideals of a one true love, that is not about ownership, but instead about true connection.
Eh, just because you don't see it as such, doesn't mean that those in polyamorous relationships don't see what they have as a "true connection". Heck, I know someone who is in a poly relationship, and yeah, she appears just as smitten as anyone else I know in any other sort of relationship.
Different strokes for different folks, after all. 
Eh, just because you don't see it as such, doesn't mean that those in polyamorous relationships don't see what they have as a "true connection". Heck, I know someone who is in a poly relationship, and yeah, she appears just as smitten as anyone else I know in any other sort of relationship.
Different strokes for different folks, after all.
Nothing I said excluded that as a possibility; it was in reference to an earlier post that equated monogamy with ownership.
I've never been any poly relationships myself, but my parents are, and I know quite a bit about what polyamory is and how it's supposed to work, so taking that into account...
I can see why it'd be difficult because being polyamorous requires a lot of communication and transparency, not to mention dealing with jealousy and figuring out how to fit multiple people into your life. It'd be easier if they were already established, since that's all that there'd need to be writing for, but with the sheer number of LIs available in Inquisition (and, presumably, future DA games), I can see why it'd be impractical to implement it with just any two (or three, or four...) characters.
Iron Bull is a Qunari that "infiltrates" other countries as a mercenary. He is still follower of the Qun and stands for their idea of order first, not for himself.
And yet the Iron Bull is bi, and known to bed anyone he's fairly certain he won't break. Two things the Qun do not permit.
Well, don't most GMs in games such as DND prohibit their players from having a truly "evil" type of character, because it becomes near impossible to keep a team together with someone like that?
I mean, imagine if we really had a truly selfish and amoral character in our party. What's to stop them from killing us in our sleep, and taking off with all of our weapons and gold? Their word that they won't? 0o
Most likely the fact that you would be more powerful than said evil person, and/or have taken other precautions..
Well, don't most GMs in games such as DND prohibit their players from having a truly "evil" type of character, because it becomes near impossible to keep a team together with someone like that?
I mean, imagine if we really had a truly selfish and amoral character in our party. What's to stop them from killing us in our sleep, and taking off with all of our weapons and gold? Their word that they won't? 0o
It's only hard to keep it together when you don't provide a good reason for them to stay and not to stab you, which is not that hard to provide. Also I think you'd actually be surprised how well multiple evil characters can get along with each other, so it would definitely not be a companion for everybody, there would be a choice. I've actually roleplayed my deal of Evil characters that had reasons to not brake the campaign.
I would consider both "priority" - because being able to imagine oneself with a lover (and having an open relationship, without that possessiveness that traditional relationships have (she is MINE, you can look but don't touch *laughs evily")) takes having a different world view as well IMHO (i don't get why people limit themselves needlessly...I would love to get to know a women who might not be "mine" (like my computer is - hell, looking at people like possessions and reacting badly if they don't behave exactly like they want to is quite bad (not to mention narrow minded!)), but love me as well as another (or a few others)...I would not view that as a problem (I have more problems with intolerance and narrow mindedness and hatred of everything that does not fit into peoples pre-conceived notions...*shakes his head and sighs*)
Right, I am not against including these kind of relationships in the game, but if you are curious why some people don't like them, I'll share my own view:
See I think that you limit yourself when you have more than one partner, because you only have a limited amount of things and time that you can give, and for every person that you care about, this next person here that you care about as well get's that much less. I like to go to extreme, and commit fully, to give all I can give, and get no less in return, and in that there can be only one. The person is only my possession as long as they let me own them, as I let them own me, but if there was no miscalculation, misunderstanding, then that should never end.
And yet the Iron Bull is bi, and known to bed anyone he's fairly certain he won't break. Two things the Qun do not permit.
I don't think Qun cares too much what he does undercover as long as he remains their eyes and ears. They might even consider it fine, because it makes him fit in better. I am more than certain however if the officials came to him and said ''stop'', he would.
I don't think Qun cares too much what he does undercover as long as he remains their eyes and ears. They might even consider it fine, because it makes him fit in better. I am more than certain however if the officials came to him and said ''stop'', he would.
I got the opposite impression of him; that the only reason he still supports the Qun is because they allow him the freedoms that they deny others, which is where his "internal conflict" comes from.
This is exactly the kind of cuckold experience that should be forwarded by bioware.
Next step: You become cleaning boy.
It's only hard to keep it together when you don't provide a good reason for them to stay and not to stab you, which is not that hard to provide. Also I think you'd actually be surprised how well multiple evil characters can get along with each other, so it would definitely not be a companion for everybody, there would be a choice. I've actually roleplayed my deal of Evil characters that had reasons to not brake the campaign.
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Well I liked the companions you've listed. Where are they now? I see none similar in Inquisition. I mean I could provide more different examples, could provide examples of chaotic evil people that were trust worthy companions, I could also think of tons of reasons for an evil person to be a part of inquisition. But that's not what's important really, what's important is, I have no evil party members in Inquisition and that sucks.
I would consider both "priority" - because being able to imagine oneself with a lover (and having an open relationship, without that possessiveness that traditional relationships have (she is MINE, you can look but don't touch *laughs evily")) takes having a different world view as well IMHO (i don't get why people limit themselves needlessly...I would love to get to know a women who might not be "mine" (like my computer is - hell, looking at people like possessions and reacting badly if they don't behave exactly like they want to is quite bad (not to mention narrow minded!)), but love me as well as another (or a few others)...I would not view that as a problem (I have more problems with intolerance and narrow mindedness and hatred of everything that does not fit into peoples pre-conceived notions...*shakes his head and sighs*)
Note: Such relationships might not work long time and might not be as stable (not sure if that is true, it's just what I have read) as a 1 on 1 relationship, but at least they are more fun (uncommon though
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