Lol. ''Proper'' monogamy is almost the the pinnacle of selfishness, second place right after the ''I only care about myself.'' Which for me personally they merge.
The more people you care for the more altruistic you are, and if we are talking about proper poly relationships then you do care.
Most people in the Western world no longer engage in proper monogamy, they engage in serial monogomy.
Most people in the Western world no longer engage in proper monogamy, they engage in serial monogamy.
No longer? I don't think ''people'' anywhere, ever did.
I wouldn't even call most modern relationships ''monogamy'' or ''serial monogamy'' for that matter. It's more like ''friends with benefits,'' only not an open relationship version.
I haven't read through the thread, but I just wanted to point out Jade Empire. A polyamorous romance (resolution anyway) is possible in that game, or at least a mutually agreed romantic arangement, and I thought it was done really well. So like everything else, if it's done well, why not? It's your game. 
As long as it fits the characters involved and it's not just cut and paste of other content. A certtain quality standard needs to be there if it's done again. If it's not, what's the point?
No longer? I don't think ''people'' anywhere, ever did.
I wouldn't even call most modern relationships ''monogamy'' or ''serial monogamy'' for that matter. It's more like ''friends with benefits,'' only not an open relationship version.
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Bloody hell people, do any of you live in the real world? Seriously, anyone???
Gay/Bisexuality/Transsexual fandom talk I get, but this is ridiculous.
Bloody hell people, do any of you live in the real world? Seriously, anyone???
Well, yeah. The real world that has poly people and poly relationships in it. *shrug*
Bloody hell people, do any of you live in the real world? Seriously, anyone???
Gay/Bisexuality/Transsexual fandom talk I get, but this is ridiculous.
How it's ridiculous? Especially then we have Polyamory in DA2. Isabela is interesting case she objects if you romance her and any companion but have no problem with NPC. This is probably case then they talk about coding problems, or she just selfish. 
How it's ridiculous? Especially then we have Polyamory in DA2. Isabela is interesting case she objects if you romance her and any companion but have no problem with NPC. This is probably case then they talk about coding problems, or she just selfish.
Ahahaha! Anders and Merril just standing there at the end like "uh, you know we're in the middle of a quest right? Are we just going to stand here until you're done?" XD
I personally think people need to remember that this isn't a dating game and that romances are a very small optional extra. Okay, it was a nice touch adding them at first, but now it seems to be spiraling out of control and suddenly people want every different form of relationship added into the game just for the sake of them being included. What will adding romances like this achieve other than using up valuable time and resources that could have been used elsewhere to improve the main part of the game just to appease a small group of people in a small aspect of the game?
Perhaps adding romances at all was a mistake.
No longer? I don't think ''people'' anywhere, ever did.
Hmm? I've known older woman who've only had one sexual partner; their husband.
Given the history of Western civilization, where losing your virginity out of wedlock ruins you and committing adultery can end in your death, I wouldn't be surprised if there have been many monogamous people throughout the centuries.
I personally think people need to remember that this isn't a dating game and that romances are a very small optional extra. Okay, it was a nice touch adding them at first, but now it seems to be spiraling out of control and suddenly people want every different form of relationship added into the game just for the sake of them being included. What will adding romances like this achieve other than using up valuable time and resources that could have been used elsewhere to improve the main part of the game just to appease a small group of people in a small aspect of the game?
Perhaps adding romances at all was a mistake.
To be fair, I don't think anyone is outright demanding x sort of relationship to be added in the future (well maybe someone out there is, idk *shrug*) we're all just saying it'd be nice to see. Besides, Bioware has already stated interest in doing this at some point down the line - they're just looking in to the "how"s of it all. It's something that has been hinted at in prior games, and something I'm convinced they've tested; realized they didn't have it working right; and then scrapped at some stage of development, in a few of their games. The way in which the Leliana bug in Origins occurs would suggest this (it involves romancing both characters and choosing all non-committal responses: something like she asks you if you love her, you say 'yes' she asks if you are going to break it off with her, you say 'no' she asks if you're going to break it off with whoever else and you say 'I love you' which to me suggests that at one point in development there were plans of having an option to romance more than one party member; but when the idea was scrapped, they didn't take out all of the dialogue that led up to it.) There was also the "threesome" line in Mass Effect; which, judging by how much content was originally intended for Ashley/Kaiden (they were both originally supposed to be bisexual, and there was originally an option to save them both on Virmire) I wouldn't be surprised to hear that at one point there was talk of having a 3-way romance.
Then there was Juhani's cut dialogue in Kotor, which allowed her to be a romance option alongside Carth/Bastila (I forget if she was supposed to be bi, or if she was a female only LI. I know it was one or the other, and I know they heavily implied early on that she was attracted to at least women.)
And as people have pointed out (though I can't confirm, because I've never played it) there apparently was a polyamorous romance option in Jade Empire. So yeah, this isn't something completely new that Bioware has never toyed with before. It's an option that it seems they've been trying for quite a long to implement appropriately into their games.
Well, yeah. The real world that has poly people and poly relationships in it. *shrug*
Not many people in the real world have poly relationships though, monogamy overrules it and most people expect monogamy relationships.
This talk is getting ridiculous as people expect Bioware to account for every single type of relationship now.
What next? People asking for the ability to play as a castrated homoromantic heterosexual gender bent cross dressing anti-religious pacifist vegan? This isn't Tumblr the Role Playing Game...
Not many people in the real world have poly relationships though, monogamy overrules it and most people expect monogamy relationships.
This talk is getting ridiculous as people expect Bioware to account for every single type of relationship now.
What next? People asking for the ability to play as a castrated homoromantic heterosexual gender bent cross dressing anti-religious pacifist vegan? This isn't Tumblr the Role Playing Game...
I'm not talking only about sex. There are many things a relationship involves. There are many people that have only one sexual partner, usually for religious reasons, but at the same time most are emotionally distant.
You should probably try framing things as just stating your opinions, instead of trying to generalize about humanity. Because you sound like a real toolbox.
I was just thinking about this, I'd love to have the option to convince a two LI's to get together with me in a poly-relationship, especially if they're sexy twins. I mean don't make me choose.
Rune Factory 2 has probably as close to that as I've seen in a game before but you got to have kids first and have a son to get the twins and not to marry the wrong girl otherwise the twins will not exist.
Not many people in the real world have poly relationships though, monogamy overrules it and most people expect monogamy relationships.
This talk is getting ridiculous as people expect Bioware to account for every single type of relationship now.
What next? People asking for the ability to play as a castrated homoromantic heterosexual gender bent cross dressing anti-religious pacifist vegan? This isn't Tumblr the Role Playing Game...
It isn't that ridiculous as Bioware themselves have stated it is something they have considered including in their games. They said this during the recent GaymerX con, although they did also state that scripting issues were posing challenges.
Look, it's not something I'm into either so it's absence doesn't personally affect me, but that's hardly a reason to downcry it. Bioware devs have shown interest in both listening to their fanbase and giving wider representation to different types of relationships. That polyamory is something "not many are into as monogamy is usually default" is just about the worst reason to not include it as it goes back into the murky territory of saying they shouldn't bother catering to the minority.
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Hmm? I've known older woman who've only had one sexual partner; their husband.
Given the history of Western civilization, where losing your virginity out of wedlock ruins you and committing adultery can end in your death, I wouldn't be surprised if there have been many monogamous people throughout the centuries.
Jeez, you're making it sound like monogamy is a punishment and everyone would be polyamorous if it wouldn't end "badly" or something. There are people who enjoy monogamy, you know. Or maybe you don't know. And again you've ended up speaking for the entire world. "Most people". Again, you're wrong. You don't know what "most people" want or do. When will you learn that?
As for the thread I'm in agreement with the Cullen guy. This has gotten way out of hand. And while I originally was in favor of having a few polyamorous options in the game, I'm becoming more cynical about it myself. Seems most of the vocal supporters for it here are ones who are wanting inclusion for inclusion's sake, and not for the sake of realistic character development. I am fine with the inclusion of any romantic option such as this, but as long as it makes sense. As long as it contributes something of value. Heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual, transsexual, polyamorous, monogamous, whatever. I'm fine with it. But if people simply want it to be coded in and simply want it included for the sake of feeling included, while not providing any logical background for it or any reason of value for it to be included, then no, I don't want it in, because it dilutes and clogs everything else. Even heterosexual monogamous relationships; I don't want many of them, unless they can provide value and substance to the world and its character, not just a "We need inclusion so let's include it" sort of deal. I want these things to matter, to be important, not just some extra line of code and dialogue tossed in for a character for no reason.
Seems most of the vocal supporters for it here are ones who are wanting inclusion for inclusion's sake, and not for the sake of realistic character development.
This makes me think of people who argue that a character should have a reason to be a POC, or female, or not straight, other than that POC/women/LGBTQ+ people exist and have very little representation.
No longer? I don't think ''people'' anywhere, ever did.
I wouldn't even call most modern relationships ''monogamy'' or ''serial monogamy'' for that matter. It's more like ''friends with benefits,'' only not an open relationship version.
As much as I do question the force appliance of monogamy via legal means I have to ask why one would want to have more then one lover. That's more work and conflict. These are relations that has to work ageist years of belief built and brain washed by western thinking. Would not the want of more then one lover a thing a male want while women normally are fine with just one?
Would not the want of more then one lover a thing a male want while women normally are fine with just one?
I'm not even going to touch the rest of your post, but why on earth would you believe this to be the case?
I'm not even going to touch the rest of your post, but why on earth would you believe this to be the case?
Probably because the mass media tends to portray that as such. Damn stereotypes.
Jeez, you're making it sound like monogamy is a punishment and everyone would be polyamorous if it wouldn't end "badly" or something.
There are people who enjoy monogamy, you know.
You don't know what "most people" want or do. When will you learn that?
I expect the number of people who'd limit themselves to a single sexual partner in a lifetime would be scant without some sort of social pressure.
Just dropping in to say that I only have had one sexual partner in my life, and we are married now. I find it scary that lots of seem to think that I chose a "bad ending" because of the fact that I "breed for love." The social pressure is only an issue for people who have insecurities about their sexuality.
Seems most of the vocal supporters for it here are ones who are wanting inclusion for inclusion's sake, and not for the sake of realistic character development. I am fine with the inclusion of any romantic option such as this, but as long as it makes sense. As long as it contributes something of value. Heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual, transsexual, polyamorous, monogamous, whatever. I'm fine with it. But if people simply want it to be coded in and simply want it included for the sake of feeling included, while not providing any logical background for it or any reason of value for it to be included, then no, I don't want it in,
Well, of course I don't want to see them include it as an option if they don't feel it makes sense for the character. If they feel the character wouldn't be bisexual, or gay, it's not really their obligation to portray them as such. If players still wish for a character (like let's say Alistair) to be romanceable in spite of his originally intended sexual orientation; well that's more of what modding is for. (and more power to the modding community for supporting things like this. 
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Personally, when I argue that I'd like to see the choice presented in the game, because I enjoy having choices in RPGs - I'm referring to wanting to see a character like Isabella, a hardened Leliana, or Zevran (characters who it is apparent are open to poly romances) offer the choice to do so. It is whoever Bioware feels would be inclined to engage in a poly romance (and they have demonstrated numerous characters in the past who would fit this bill; so it's not something they're uncomfortable discussing) that I'd hope to see given the option, and not just 'any character'.
Also, can we please avoid getting in to an argument about which we feel is the better form of relationships? That isn't the point of the topic, and it's likely to make things rather hostile on here. And hostility isn't the goal here.
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