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[DarthLaxian]

...getting the short end of the stick.

 

Hey Bioware/Bioware-Forum,

 

I got another question (it's not objective, because it's based on personal taste), but why is it, that the gay characters (lesbians and homosexuals) get the better end of the deal this time?

 

I mean, yeah, you have 2 (it was 2, yes?) romance options left to announce, but from the ones you gave us already, the more interesting ones (at least for me) are gay (Sera is lesbian (which is ok in a way, as I will at some point play a female Inquisitor) and Dorian is homosexual) - Why is that?

 

I mean, those two were the most interesting characters (not counting the ones we knew already: Varric and Cassandra) in the new cast and - while I can accept homosexuals in RL (I am indifferent to them, as long as they don't try to chat me up), I just can't play such a character (meaning: I can't go after Dorian)...

 

Was having them bisexual (as unrealistic as it may be - on the other hand, magic is not realistic either...It is a fantasy RPG for heanven's sake, so why would the people there fit into our - narrow minded (!) - expectations? - Maybe being Bisexual is the norm there?) really so bad?

 

As for the two you still have to reveal:

 

Well, even if you say Vivienne is romancable, I don't like her much already, so no joy (even more so as she might be race-locked...don't like that either), same for Blackwall, Solas and Varric (all three are interesting, but they are all male...and while my female Inquisitor might like having more options, my male would still be stuck with a very short stick indeed...and no, I am not really counting Scribbles (Josephine), as she is no companion and while I will romance her at some point (just to see how the non-companion romances work out))

 

So what do straigh - male - characters get:

 

- Cassy? - That's ok, I do like her and that's it among the companions, isn't it?

 

It's not much better for straigh females, is it?

 

- Iron Bull (and he isn't even straight himself!)

 

(again: Not counting Cullen for now)

 

 

 

A bit sad, I think!

greetings LAX

[Schmonozov]

Bioware is just trying to be as inclusive as possible for some reason....wouldn't surprise me if they made 1/3 of the cast transexual in their next game.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Why are you "not counting" what's probably the most popular character in the entire bunch?  

[Zazzerka]

Why are you "not counting" what's probably the most popular character in the entire bunch?  

 

Because it makes his argument look better.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

How are you getting the short end? Everyone gets the same amount of romances and while you find the personalities of the gay ones more interesting thats not true for all the other straight players, Bioware cant account for everyone's personal tastes when writing romances. If they did the ammount of romanceable characters should have been in the thousands

[Andraste_Reborn]

mean, yeah, you have 2 (it was 2, yes?) romance options left to announce, but from the ones you gave us already, the more interesting ones (at least for me) are gay (Sera is lesbian (which is ok in a way, as I will at some point play a female Inquisitor) and Dorian is homosexual) - Why is that?

 

That's entirely a matter of opinion, as you seem to be aware.

 

I think the most interesting characters at this point - from a romance point of view - are Varric, Iron Bull and Blackwall, so I'm over the moon to be getting one of them.

 

Meanwhile, there's a legion of sad lesbians who can't romance Cassandra. Because BioWare decided to go with set sexuality (for various reasons they've already described) no everyone is going to get what they want. But people weren't going to get everything they wanted anyway. If they'd gone the all bisexual route again, we'd have fewer options over all and Sera or Dorian might not even be a romance.

 

(I mean, I'm expecting Solas and Vivienne to be the last two romances, so one out of three of my preferred guys is probably as good as it gets for me. And I'm pretty happy with that.)

[DrBlingzle]

Oh this again.

Honestly I don't now whether to laugh or cry.

[DrBlingzle]

Anyway in response to the topic: Heterosexuals have 2 potential romances so far, homosexuals have 2 potential romances so far.

Now call me crazy but that seems fair to me.

[wiccame]

...getting the short end of the stick.

 

Hey Bioware/Bioware-Forum,

 

I got another question (it's not objective, because it's based on personal taste), but why is it, that the gay characters (lesbians and homosexuals) get the better end of the deal this time?

 

I mean, yeah, you have 2 (it was 2, yes?) romance options left to announce, but from the ones you gave us already, the more interesting ones (at least for me) are gay (Sera is lesbian (which is ok in a way, as I will at some point play a female Inquisitor) and Dorian is homosexual) - Why is that?

 

I mean, those two were the most interesting characters (not counting the ones we knew already: Varric and Cassandra) in the new cast and - while I can accept homosexuals in RL (I am indifferent to them, as long as they don't try to chat me up), I just can't play such a character (meaning: I can't go after Dorian)...

 

Was having them bisexual (as unrealistic as it may be - on the other hand, magic is not realistic either...It is a fantasy RPG for heanven's sake, so why would the people there fight into our - narrow minded (!) - expectations? - Maybe being Bisexual is the norm there?) really so bad?

 

As for the two you still have to reveal:

 

Well, even if you say Vivienne is romancable, I don't like her much already, so no joy (even more so as she might be race-locked...don't like that either), same for Blackwall, Solas and Varric (all three are interesting, but they are all male...and while my female Inquisitor might like having more options, my male would still be stuck with a very short stick indeed...and no, I am not really counting Scribbles (Josephine), as she is no companion and while I will romance her at some point (just to see how the non-companion romances work out))

 

So what do straigh - male - characters get:

 

- Cassy? - That's ok, I do like her and that's it among the companions, isn't it?

 

It's not much better for straigh females, is it?

 

- Iron Bull (and he isn't even straight himself!)

 

(again: Not counting Cullen for now)

 

 

 

A bit sad, I think!

greetings LAX

It's all down to tastes and just because you don't like the options doesn't mean everyone is getting short changed. It's looking pretty fair and equal to me.

BTW you forgot Josephine, she is bisexual so there's another you can choose.

[DrBlingzle]

BTW you forgot Josephine, she is bisexual so there's another you can choose.

Oh he remembered her he's just not counting her because... reasons.

 

and no, I am not really counting Scribbles (Josephine), as she is no companion and while I will romance her at some point (just to see how the non-companion romances work out))

I think he might of forgot that a lot of people really like the look of her so far.

[Feybrad]

OP, you DO know, that all is a Matter of Taste? Other People, other Opinions. Even if you exclude Advisor Romances because of lingering Doubts about the Inclusiveness of their Romances,

You can still expect straight Females to get at least one out of Blackwall, Solas and Varric, all of which are hugely popular and somewhat attractive in the Eyes of People, while being sufficiently different.

And, being honest, straight males can expect Vivienne with almost 100% Probability. And, gasp, there are People that like her. Me, for Example. I think, Vivienne is by far the most attractive female Companion of the Bunch and if you don't like her, then that's your Problem and yours alone.

 

RP a gay Inquisitor? or are you to "uncomfortable" with that?

 

I, too, am uncomfortable with that, I can understand the OP in that regards. That is nothing to be ashamed of or judged for, IMO.

 

 

The Point is, that BioWare does never make the conscious Decision for some Orientation to get "the short end of the stick". Some People might feel that Way because the Options that they get might not accomodate their tastes, but tehse People MUSt keep in mind before they rant: The Options they do not like, are almost certainly liked by very many Others.

[Dio Demon]

Can't we be happy that differing sexual orientations are getting more representation then they previously did? I'm pretty sure there are people who haven't heard of Pansexual (which Iron Bull is according to Patrick Weekes)

 

*post changed*

 

Not making the BEST case right now being aggressive. If there are people who wish to complain about how they feel like they are no longer the 'golden child' and I use that term loosely then they are allowed to. Be mature and polite.

[Kantr]

Not making the BEST case right now being aggressive. If there are people who wish to complain about how they feel like they are no longer the 'golden child' and I use that term loosely then they are allowed to. Be mature and polite.

Just smile and nod politely while backing away

[Dio Demon]

Just smile and nod politely while backing away

Last time I did that, I tripped. I'll just run away flailing my arms it's the same thing right? 

[Matdeception]

Long story short; This game isn't about your tastes, your belief in what you feel you deserve as a straight player. I'm straight, and while I did find Sera interesting, and was bummed for like 2 seconds about her being a Lesbian, a romance isn't a game-breaker. It is the character Bioware created, and to change her preference to Bi or straight to calm outrage is a hideous idea at best.

[DarthLaxian]

Why are you "not counting" what's probably the most popular character in the entire bunch?  

 

Cullen you mean?

 

Because - while he is an interesting character (also he is male...), firstly he hates mages (my main characters are mages!) and secondly he is fan service (and I can't take him along on missions...oh and I have doubts about his qualification to be a military advisor (hell, he was what...junior templar in DA:O and Knight Captain in Kirwall in DA2...but it says nowhere that he has the training necessary to train, equip and lead an army (most of that - training, equipping and even leading - was done by others for him in the past...yes, he might rise to the task, but I would have loved someone more experienced in the matter, like say Celens former Champion who has said training)

 

greetings LAX

[meganbytez]

well you are chattin it up with some homosexuals now. 

 

to be fair lgbtq gamers have gotten pretty short ends of sticks all throughout gaming history. i mean for most of the time we werent even considered to be a thing. like gay and video games was like crazy ideas. and even still you don't see very much lgbtq characters or other minorities like people of color or women, fairly represented in video games. so when you ask why? it confuses me. I guess to answer it is because bioware is helping pave the way for more equal treatment of lgbtq people in games. because that is just part of our reality as humans. 

 

 i do think sera and dorian are quiet awesome and popular. i get what you are seeing. but they're gay. and they're representing. they are very likable. i hope a lot of people who have issues with lgbtq people see how great they actually are. i hope they see that being gay is just part of being human. and it matters very much. and yea there is still equal amount of gay/straight characters/love interest so it is equal. 

 

i think all the other characters are just as equally interesting. but yea it has to do with taste. there are a lot of straight people who don't agree with you and think the straight characters are awesome and just as great so its not really fair to generalize say straight characters are getting it bad. 

 

I'm sorry you don't get to romance characters you were probally hoping to romance. But i hope you find that cassandra or josephine  are also equally great. 

[DarthLaxian]

Anyway in response to the topic: Heterosexuals have 2 potential romances so far, homosexuals have 2 potential romances so far.

Now call me crazy but that seems fair to me.

 

On paper - yes, I agree, but not when it comes down to the actual characters...the gay characters are (at least to me) much more appealing

 

greetings LAX

[DrBlingzle]

On paper - yes, I agree, but not when it comes down to the actual characters...the gay characters are (at least to me) much more appealing

And I completely understand that. However there will be some gay people who will find the straight character much more appealing, it's all a matter of personal taste. You can't just say that straight people are getting the short end of the stick because you personally don't like the romances available, I for one quite like the look of Cass and josephine (I'm a heterosexual male btw).

 

It's absolutely fine to say that you don't like the straight romances available, thats just your opinion, but it's completely unfair to say that it's the same for all straight players.

[wiccame]

Cullen you mean?

 

Because - while he is an interesting character (also he is male...), firstly he hates mages (my main characters are mages!) and secondly he is fan service (and I can't take him along on missions...oh and I have doubts about his qualification to be a military advisor (hell, he was what...junior templar in DA:O and Knight Captain in Kirwall in DA2...but it says nowhere that he has the training necessary to train, equip and lead an army (most of that - training, equipping and even leading - was done by others for him in the past...yes, he might rise to the task, but I would have loved someone more experienced in the matter, like say Celens former Champion who has said training)

 

greetings LAX

He doesn't really hate mages, he doesn't trust them, he is very wary of them but he doesn't really hate them. 

Also, just how qualified do you think we as inquisitors are going to be to lead the entire operation? We pop out the  fade with a glowing hand ...that's our qualification lol. I am guessing Cullen is far more qualified to lead the military than we are the whole thing.

But he is a straight guy so he really isn't going interest you for a straight guy romance true.

[DarthLaxian]

well you are chattin it up with some homosexuals now. 

 

to be fair lgbtq gamers have gotten pretty short ends of sticks all throughout gaming history. i mean for most of the time we werent even considered to be a thing. like gay and video games was like crazy ideas. and even still you don't see very much lgbtq characters or other minorities like people of color or women, fairly represented in video games. so when you ask why? it confuses me. I guess to answer it is because bioware is helping pave the way for more equal treatment of lgbtq people in games. because that is just part of our reality as humans. 

 

 i do think sera and dorian are quiet awesome and popular. i get what you are seeing. but they're gay. and they're representing. they are very likable. i hope a lot of people who have issues with lgbtq people see how great they actually are. i hope they see that being gay is just part of being human. and it matters very much. and yea there is still equal amount of gay/straight characters/love interest so it is equal. 

 

i think all the other characters are just as equally interesting. but yea it has to do with taste. there are a lot of straight people who don't agree with you and think the straight characters are awesome and just as great so its not really fair to generalize say straight characters are getting it bad. 

 

I'm sorry you don't get to romance characters you were probally hoping to romance. But i hope you find that cassandra or josephine  are also equally great. 

 

 

YES - BEING GAY IS FINE (sorry for yelling, but as I stated: I am indifferent to gays - as long as they don't chat me up (or try to at least) and I accept that they exist and are perfectly normal human beings (I don't see being gay as an illness or something like people did in the past - your sexuality is part of who you are, nothing wrong with it. Hell, I am for gay-marriage, too!)

 

Yes, gays have gotten the short end for a very long time, but:

 

Is it okay to - in a way - punish us today for how things were in the past (it's like with feminism - women had the short end for a long time as well, but now the pendulum is going the other way, is that right or good (note: most men today would not want to give women the short end of the stick, so why should they be given it?)? - No, it isn't it just brews further resentment (MGTOW for example and men not wanting to marry or have kids anymore) and rightly so, women's quotas, women support programms and extra help in education aren't either...it just makes men push back...like extreme pro-gay ruling does (it makes people who accept gays resent them for getting their way more and more often because they were once a shunned minority *shakes his head*)

 

so, back to topic - and sorry for the rant, just wanted to give an example

 

greetings LAX

ps: No, I don't resent independent strong women either (I like them) - I just hate women being treated better than men are (I am for full equality, can't stand double standarts and discrimination (and "positive" discrimination is not positive in the slightest - like those women's quotas in the EU))

[DarthLaxian]

well you are chattin it up with some homosexuals now. 

 

to be fair lgbtq gamers have gotten pretty short ends of sticks all throughout gaming history. i mean for most of the time we werent even considered to be a thing. like gay and video games was like crazy ideas. and even still you don't see very much lgbtq characters or other minorities like people of color or women, fairly represented in video games. so when you ask why? it confuses me. I guess to answer it is because bioware is helping pave the way for more equal treatment of lgbtq people in games. because that is just part of our reality as humans. 

 

 i do think sera and dorian are quiet awesome and popular. i get what you are seeing. but they're gay. and they're representing. they are very likable. i hope a lot of people who have issues with lgbtq people see how great they actually are. i hope they see that being gay is just part of being human. and it matters very much. and yea there is still equal amount of gay/straight characters/love interest so it is equal. 

 

i think all the other characters are just as equally interesting. but yea it has to do with taste. there are a lot of straight people who don't agree with you and think the straight characters are awesome and just as great so its not really fair to generalize say straight characters are getting it bad. 

 

I'm sorry you don't get to romance characters you were probally hoping to romance. But i hope you find that cassandra or josephine  are also equally great. 

 

Thanks - I hope so, too (but I tend to find mages more interesting than Templars - It's just that I in RL would want my significant other to understand me as well as she possibly can and with a mage, only another mage can really truly understand you (takes one to know one, right?))

 

greetings LAX