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[CrimsonN7]

@DarthLaxian if the gays started to chat you up, what would had happen? Because I am really curious about this.
 

We might give him the gay perhaps. It is contagious yunno.

[HellaciousHutch]

@DarthLaxian if the gays started to chat you up, what would had happen? Because I am really curious about this.

Unless you rant too about ME 2 not having non-straight romances, I am going to assume you just not use to live in a world where everyone got a change. 

 

 

 

 

No.

 

There's nothing wrong with a character being bi-sexual and not simply straight. Why? Because it pleases more than 1 party, which, please more of the products gamerbase, which, is what you want. Who cares, especially if the relationship is written outstandingly for both male and female player characters?

[venusara]

I'm all for Thedas being a world where everyone is pansexual personally, I just want equality.

[MrDuck]

I don't see the problem. It's equal so far. We'll have Cass and Josie. Both seem okay to me. And yeah, Sera and Dorian seem like interesting characters. Who's to say their friendship arcs aren't as interesting?

 

RP a gay Inquisitor? or are you to "uncomfortable" with that?

 

 

@DarthLaxian if the gays started to chat you up, what would had happen? Because I am really curious about this.

 

 

We might give him the gay perhaps. It is contagious yunno.

 

Now it just seems like you guys are bashing him for not wanting to play a gay character while that's his decision. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm straight and I don't play gay characters because I just don't feel anything with those romances. And if a gay person would chat me up in real life, I'd just politely say I'm not interested. Being respectful to each persons sexuality comes from both sides people.

[HellaciousHutch]

Heck... I was disappointed when they made Sera lesbian, but, at the same time I was happy that lesbians were getting an exclusive romance too. Also, I simply moved on to sweaty, big luscious lips Vivienne, so...yeah.

[Mihura]

There's nothing wrong with a character being bi-sexual and not simply straight. Why? Because it pleases more than 1 party, which, please more of the products gamerbase, which, is what you want. Who cares, especially if the relationship is written outstandingly for both male and female player characters?

 

I was not saying no to that. I agree that from an "all players should have romances" stand point, playersexual is the best approach but that can erase the characters sexual identity. My no was about this "Bi-sexuality is pretty much being straight,"

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Thanks for understanding my POV.
I agree that it is more important to give LGBT li's a prominent position in this game than the straight female li because of how they have been underrepresented or not-represented in Bioware games in the past, but female gamers have never exactly had it easy in the industry either.
I will be happy with Solas/Varric/Blackwell (and probably in that order), and I'm sure I'll be romancing one of them with many different inquisitors which is also the reason why I hope that if they are one of the race gated li's, they will not be too restrictive >.<

I supported the NPCs being the "extra" bi options until they were confirmed. I get where you're coming from. I do think they should have made Cullen bi and the remaining male LI (assuming it's just one) straight. In the future, I hope they will do so. I don't think it's quite as unfair as someone getting extra options, but it would be nice if there was no question as to whether our options were equal.

[quinwhisperer]

What's the issue with a character being bi-sexual? Bi-sexuality is pretty much being straight, but just with that added fun and wonky factor.

 

It is not.

[Dio Demon]

Bi-sexuality is pretty much being straight, but just with that added fun and wonky factor.

No it isn't. Bisexuality is both heterosexuality and homosexuality and it isn't. It is in the way, where we prefer both genders and it isn't for the same reason and that is we aren't gender exclusive. There is nothing fun or wonky about it, it's just another facet of ourselves.

[HellaciousHutch]

I didn't mean bi-sexuality is literally being straight but with an added bonus...literally. I was saying it in a semi-sarcastic way. And when I said fun and wonky, I meant, well...it's pretty fun to be attracted to both male and female, and pretty nice being able to love someone despite their gender, and show that love. As a straight man, I'm somewhat envious. 

[Dio Demon]

I didn't mean bi-sexuality is literally being straight but with an added bonus...literally. I was saying it in a semi-sarcastic way. And when I said fun and wonky, I meant, well...it's pretty fun to be attracted to both male and female, and pretty nice being able to love someone despite their gender, and show that love. As a straight man, I'm somewhat envious. 

Ahh sorry. It's late here and I didn't pick up on it.

[CrimsonN7]

Now it just seems like you guys are bashing him for not wanting to play a gay character while that's his decision. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm straight and I don't play gay characters because I just don't feel anything with those romances. And if a gay person would chat me up in real life, I'd just politely say I'm not interested. Being respectful to each persons sexuality comes from both sides people.

OP can play whichever LI route he wishes, won't make no odds to me, just found it amusing he had to state numerous times that if a gay person approached him in RL he would have to do something about it.

 

As for me, I will play straight and gay playthroughs, I'm flexible like that.

[andar91]

On paper - yes, I agree, but not when it comes down to the actual characters...the gay characters are (at least to me) much more appealing

 

greetings LAX

 

That's life, dude.

 

You walk into a room with a bunch of people in it, they're gonna have different sexualities. And even then, it's not like every gay man will be attracted to every other gay or bisexual man. You don't HAVE to romance anyone. And the characters are characters in their own right; they don't exist just to be romanced by the PC. Don't like them? Fine, maybe your Inquisitor engages in romance elsewhere.

 

I know that must seem unfair, but, again, keep in mind that a gay person playing (like me) might not like options that represent me (aka Dorian). It doesn't mean he's a bad character, just that I might have no interest in romancing him. You're a straight guy - do you want to romance every single woman you meet in real life? Of the ones you were interested in, did they all want you back?

 

Sometimes the feeling just ain't mutual. And sometimes it is. I can understand wanting to experience romance arcs, but it's also a tiny bit of content (imo) when looked at in context of the entire game. So I don't think it should be a really big deal.

 

And if your response to that is to complain that non-straight gamers are being catered to, I only have to point you to the gajillion other games that do cater to you.The internet, gaming, and the world, do not belong to you. There are other people with other ways of living that deserve to be reflected and validated - not at the expense of straight gamers, but alongside them (though they themselves do not require validation). And as others have pointed out, there are still options for straight Inquisitors. Don't like them...sorry? Like I said, that happens. Happens with queer folks too; it's not like every gay man in the universe loves the only gay couple on a sitcom or whatever. Certain characters resonate with certain people, but I seriously doubt Bioware set out to make some characters interesting and others boring.

 

Yeah, the audience is dominated by straight white dudes, but it doesn't mean they can't do better and invite others to the table to play.

 

Sorry if my "chatting you up" made you uncomfortable.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

 

By now, it's clear that BioWare is intentionally including LGBT content in their games.

 

WHAT? When did this happen? I thought it was all by accident.
 

I'm still bummed out that the straight women are the only group that does not get their own companion romance

 

Well, from what I've read the Advisors aren't ''just NPCS''. They are important to the plot, you talk to them often and their writing budget is just as large as that of the companions.

 

Yeah, you don't get to bring them along with you, but they are still ''full'' romances, it's not an afterthought like Kelly Chambers.

[Icy Magebane]

Eh... not sure what the OP is even talking about.  Aren't the numbers completely even this time?  The only people getting shortchanged are those who had a specific partner in mind that isn't available now, which sucks but as people have stated, just comes down to taste.  At this point, even people with a very narrow focus get 2 options.  Yeah... I don't see the problem with this.  Straight players or player characters don't need extra options.

[dutch_gamer]

I am some times ashamed of being a straight male gamer because most of the time when this particular topic pops up it is written by a straight male gamer using bad arguments as to why they feel they are getting less than other groups. You just can't claim you are getting the short end of the stick if so far you are getting the same amount of options. If you don't like the options, then you are the one who is limiting your own choices. So basically you are "giving yourself the short end of the stick".

 

And the statistics argument is just rather bad. If Bioware had to design around the statistic gay gamers would pretty much never get anything, as is par of the course with many games out there. I must say I also don't agree with the other argument regarding statistics of how many gamers consume LGBT content in Bioware games. That number also tells us very little because Bioware never asks us our true orientation playing any of their games. It is possible Bioware gamers are more popular with the LGBT crowd. Of course it is also possible a good amount of gamers play a different orientation than their own. The statistics just don't say much without knowing private information of all gamers.

[venusara]

I supported the NPCs being the "extra" bi options until they were confirmed. I get where you're coming from. I do think they should have made Cullen bi and the remaining male LI (assuming it's just one) straight. In the future, I hope they will do so. I don't think it's quite as unfair as someone getting extra options, but it would be nice if there was no question as to whether our options were equal.

Thanks Nocte, I actually remember you from the romance thread I think, because we were both on the same side of the issue of wanting Cullen/Josephine bi. I agree giving a group extra options would be even more unfair.

I will certainly be doing a playthrough with a Cullen romance at some point (as well as Sera and Dorian), but I am one of those people who loves taking control of my li and fighting with him/her. Taking control of him/her to save my pc's arse as needed, because you know, romance and rping. An NCP romance will be a very different kind of romance.

[CENIC]

I know it's whiny and ungrateful, but I wish Cullen was a companion
I'm stoked that he's 1) in the game and 2) a romance option but not having him along for the ride is a kick in the gut. If he was a companion, I'd romance him with one of my Inquisitors and wouldn't care about romance for the rest of them!

Now all I can do is hope that BioWare doesn't pull something like, "the Inquisitor dies to close the Breach, and her lover Cullen finds solace in the strong arms of Cassandra." NEITHER ALISTAIR OR CULLEN LOVED YOU!

[venusara]

I know it's whiny and ungrateful, but I wish Cullen was a companion
I'm stoked that he's 1) in the game and 2) a romance option but not having him along for the ride is a kick in the gut. If he was a companion, I'd romance him with one of my Inquisitors and wouldn't care about romance for the rest of them!
Now all I can do is hope that BioWare doesn't pull something like, "the Inquisitor dies to close the Breach, and her lover Cullen finds solace in the strong arms of Cassandra." NEITHER ALISTAIR OR CULLEN LOVED YOU!

Well this would solve my issue too so I wish it were the case lol.

[Mihura]

Thanks Nocte, I actually remember you from the romance thread I think, because we were both on the same side of the issue of wanting Cullen/Josephine bi. I agree giving a group extra options would be even more unfair though.

I will certainly be doing a playthrough with a Cullen romance at one point (as well as Sera and Dorian), but I am one of those people who loves taking control of my li and fight with him/her, taking control of him/her to save my pc's arse as needed, because you know, romance and rping. An NCP romance will be a very different kind of romance.

 

I agree with this too, the npcs should had been both bi so this way everyone on on the companion side would be equal. 

 

Than again there are still two companion that we do not know about, there is a high probability that one is a straight male and one is a bi female, mostly because this would would make the party "fair" on numbers. Two hetero, two bi, two homosexual.

So in the end if this happens there are going to be a lot more hetero romances and the same amount of bi, the only that is lacking is going to be the homosexual romances. And the gay male PC going to have only two romances available and all the rest of the PCs is going to have three. 

So till they announce the last ones we are not sure who will be having the short stick. 

[CrimsonN7]

And the statistics argument is just rather bad. If Bioware had to design around the statistic gay gamers would pretty much never get anything, as is par of the course with many games out there. I must say I also don't agree with the other argument regarding statistics of how many gamers consume LGBT content in Bioware games. That number also tells us very little because Bioware never asks us our true orientation playing any of their games. It is possible Bioware gamers are more popular with the LGBT crowd. Of course it is also possible a good amount of gamers play a different orientation than their own. The statistics just don't say much without knowing private information of all gamers.

I'm sure many who don't identify as LGBT enjoy this content, my sis loved the femshep/Liara romance and she has a boyfriend. It's not just our small corner of the market who enjoys what Bioware offers us, many others do too. Well written characters and believable romance arcs tend to that.

[andar91]

The romances with advisors doesn't bother me because David Gaider recently said that they play very large parts in the game and are like companions in their degree of content and involvement.

 

 

 

 

"The advisors (Leliana, Josephine, and Cullen) have the same amount of content as party members—they have just as many interactions and are involved in the main story a great deal. About the only difference is that they don’t have party banter." (From his tumblr).

 

 

Also, regarding the post above mine: Yeah. I'm a gay guy, but I almost always play females (though I anticipate switching it up more in DAI) and romance either men or women. It's roleplaying. So yeah, I sincerely doubt that people only play according to their own sexuality.

[Maria Caliban]

because the idea of exclusive content matters. I would be quite upset if, once again, the lesbian option was an NPC.

I disagree. I have never asked for 'exclusive content.' Bisexual female love interests are as good as lesbian ones.

*Representation* matters but you can have that without love interests. Celene, for example, is a lesbian. I'd actually prefer it if gay characters weren't limited to people the PC can romance.

[Icy Magebane]

I know it's whiny and ungrateful, but I wish Cullen was a companion
 

Cullen seems too OP to be a playable character... too bad Bioware doesn't have secret, unlockable characters or something along those lines (not troll characters like Loghain that make you sacrifice somebody else).  It would be cool if he could potentially join the front lines maybe 3/4 into the game when people are at least getting with a few levels of him... he should still be almost maxed out by that point though.