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I was referring to this person:
My point was that all the DA2 LIs are bisexual, and fans who deny it and applaud BioWare for giving the DAI LIs "actual sexualities" are being biphobic (and grating). I don't even know what you're talking about here.
Ah, okay. I misunderstood. My apologies. 
I was referencing that having set sexualities is erasure of people who don't know their sexuality since everyone will be like "Yup. I'm definitely attracted to men and/or women.".
Because the definition is still there, even if its not presented to a particular PC. Merrill doesn't have content that actually suggests she interested in either or both sexes.
Merrill is attracted to both male and female Hawkes. In a game where no other character is "playersexual". She's bisexual. The way she's written is a representation of bisexuals (and other people) who don't wear their sexualities on their sleeves. She's a perfectly realistic character in my mind and I don't think she's a "cheaply" written character. I like that she and Fenris aren't as up front about their sexualities. It offers a nice change of pace.
I can usually tell when someone is gay, even if they don't state their sexuality (I won't say anything, unless they're open about it already). However, telling when a girl is lesbian is next to impossible for me, unless you count...butches (pardon my bluntness), and well...I think no one can tell when someone is bi-sexual, considering bi-people like both genders.
I can usually tell when someone is gay, even if they don't state their sexuality (I won't say anything, unless they're open about it already). However, telling when a girl is lesbian is next to impossible for me, unless you count...dykes and butches (pardon my bluntness), and well...I think no one can tell when someone is bi-sexual, considering bi-people like both genders.
I can pretty much guarantee you that you have met gay men and had no idea that they were gay.
Also, ****** is not an okay term. I would refrain from using it, probably.
....and people are stuffing words in my mouth. Im done.
I can pretty much guarantee you that you have met gay men and had no idea that they were gay.
Also, ****** is not an okay term. I would refrain from using it, probably.
Yeah... Should probably just say butch, actually...not even sure if that term is polite enough, really. The manly lesbians.
....and people are stuffing words in my mouth. Im done.
I think that people are just responding to your words. You said that characters that are bisexual are "cheapened" if they don't express interest in both genders or if their sexuality is ambiguous. It's pretty clear what you meant.
Player-sexuality was a very nice bonus. However, it turned my sexuality into a game mechanic for the players, and I'm rather grateful that they are moving away from it. Plus, it'll be nice to see bisexual/pan, gay and lesbian heroes apart from the PC. I believe that ace, trans* and demisexual characters would add a lot down the road too.
It will sure be nice to not have the "are they really bisexual?" conversation with the new game. Although I'm sure we will continue to have it, if every single bisexual LI does not express explicit interest in each gender at least once in the game.
I think that people are just responding to your words. You said that characters that are bisexual are "cheapened" if they don't express interest in both genders or if their sexuality is ambiguous. It's pretty clear what you meant.
I said characters are cheapened by lack of definition. if the character is ambiguous about something then they should show ambiguity!(like morrigan does)
I said characters are cheapened by lack of definition. if the character is ambiguous about something then they should show ambiguity!(like morrigan does)
How exactly would you like bisexual characters' sexualities to be "defined", especially in a world where the language doesn't exist for people to truly come out one way or another?
The concept of being straight vs. being a bi that has only experience with one gender is one that interests me. I hope it's pursued later because I really like the way the game deals with personal issues like sexuality and self esteem. If the new game offers an option to explore how I feel about it I'm really looking forward to it.
On paper - yes, I agree, but not when it comes down to the actual characters...the gay characters are (at least to me) much more appealing
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on the outside perhaps, just keep the "they got all the good ones" arguments to yourself until the game comes out.
It will sure be nice to not have the "are they really bisexual?" conversation with the new game. Although I'm sure we will continue to have it, if every single bisexual LI does not express explicit interest in each gender at least once in the game.
I feel the exact same way. 
on the outside perhaps, just keep the "they got all the good ones" arguments to yourself until the game comes out.
Player-sexuality was a very nice bonus. However, it turned my sexuality into a game mechanic for the players, and I'm rather grateful that they are moving away from it. Plus, it'll be nice to see bisexual/pan, gay and lesbian heroes apart from the PC. I believe that ace, trans and demisexual characters would add a lot down the road too.
Hopefully. Until then, RIP DA2 system 2011-2014.
I always love the argument by including more content for LGBT players that automatically translates to losing content for straight players. That might not be the case and I wish people would realise that.
I find the OP's ideas about what feminism and equality is, to be polite, misinformed.
In regard to Cullen and options for Straight female players (or those RPing straight female characters as I prefer it referenced) maybe the NPC romance with him will be awesome?
No one's getting the short end of any stick , StraightFemales - Cullen/Iron , LesFemales - Sera/Josephine , StraightMales - Cassy/Josephine , Gaymales - Iron/Dorian. Seems pretty even to me. until the 2 unannounced are revealed then I'm guessing it won't be even anymore but everyone has 2(maybe 1 or 2 more depending on the 2 remaining LI's).
As for everyone being Bisexual , well we would probably have less LI's and perhaps not as good in terms of depth/quality.
And if the available LI's you don't like..well that your problem isn't it?
Yeah... Should probably just say butch, actually...not even sure if that term is polite enough, really. The manly lesbians.
Butch covers it.
Although I know of some in the gay community who don't have an issue with using the word d-yke to refer to themselves, they use it with pride. Although like any derogatory word if used by others outside of the community it can be offensive. Personally I don't find that word offensive myself, I'm desensitized to it, hipster shades engaged! 
I said characters are cheapened by lack of definition. if the character is ambiguous about something then they should show ambiguity!(like morrigan does)
But Merrill was ambiguous. She didn't overtly express interest in either gender, but was still romanceable. If that's not the definition of ambiguous, I'm not sure what is.....
It's generally best not to refer to anybody as any slur except in cases where they personally have reclaimed it.
I think that people are just responding to your words. You said that characters that are bisexual are "cheapened" if they don't express interest in both genders or if their sexuality is ambiguous. It's pretty clear what you meant.
It's kind of true though.
If a bisexual character never expresses an interest in both genders then how does the viewer know that they are bisexual at all?
The creator may say so, but I consider taking a "tell, don't show" attitude an awfully cheap way to write LGBT characters.
It's kind of true though.
If a bisexual character never expresses an interest in both genders then how does the viewer know that they are bisexual at all?
The creator may say so, but I consider taking a "tell, don't show" attitude an awfully cheap way to write LGBT characters.
The very fact that Merrill is romanceable by male and female Hawkes tells the player that she is some kind of multisexual (bi, pan, pomo, whatever).
Indeed, OP.
But there's nothing we could do, shame.
My favorite part is where feminism is now some form of retribution. I will say that I'm glad that real life statistics are not taken very seriously when it comes to applying the demographics of a game universe.
It's kind of true though.
If a bisexual character never expresses an interest in both genders then how does the viewer know that they are bisexual at all?
The creator may say so, but I consider taking a "tell, don't show" attitude an awfully cheap way to write LGBT characters.
Because they can be romanced by both males and females in a game with no other "playersexual" characters. It doesn't take a lot to figure out that in a game where everyone has a defined sexuality that a character who is romanceable by both males and females is bisexual. In a single playthrough, you might not know it, but that applies to a lot of other content that people consider "canon", even if it's optional to experience (i.e. Wynne's apprentice - no argues that he doesn't exist if you aren't her friend; people just recognize that it's part of the game that they didn't see because of their choices).
This entire thread is bogus because straight characters received the perfect gift, complete with bow on top: Cullen. No I am not bitter. (Really, you can put the bow anywhere you want; I've scene it in some very strategically placed locations in various fanart. )
Dorian, whom the OP thinks is so devilishly attractive and intensely fascinating, is the character I'm least interested in and least likely to romance.
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