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The Mystery of Flemeth and Dragon Age Inquisition


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XxSnowfire

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Here's my theory about Flemeth and I'm curious to see what you guys think too: According to an article I read recently, they believe Flemeth will make an appearance in Dragon Age Inquisition and we already know Morrigan is. It'll be nice if they finish the story between them and the baby if you chose that option. In Dragon Age Origins, Morrigan mentions not knowing what Flemeth is but believing her to be more than an abomination and having a connection to the blight. I think it's possible that she is like Morrigan's child, being born with (or somehow acquiring) an old god's soul from an arch demon, or even being an old god herself. It could explain how she knew about the ritual to save the grey warden (and trap the old god's soul in the unborn child), why she can turn into a dragon and seems so powerful. Maybe she wants to do something similar she did to Morrigan's sisters, extending her own life by using the child this time or it could be a chance to gain more power.


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Dagr88

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I think it's possible that she is like Morrigan's child, being born with (or somehow acquiring) an old god's soul from an arch demon, or even being an old god herself.

That's what Grey Wardens were created for. IF your theory is correct.



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Can you clarify what you mean by that? The Grey Wardens were created to stop the arch demon and end the blight, im not saying that is Flemeth's goal (at least not without her own personal gain) or what she has already done herself, but thought that could be what her "connection" to the blights might be and explain what she is at the same time since she's clearly more than an abomination as everyone first thought in the game.



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I'm hoping we get a bit more than we did than the last two games, but not the whole story. Save Flemeth for the last Dragon Age I say.


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I think it's possible that she is like Morrigan's child, being born with (or somehow acquiring) an old god's soul from an arch demon, or even being an old god herself.

 

1. Old God is imprisoned, but its mind is currently is in a body that we call Flemeth

 

2. One of the Wardens killed an Old God hoping to destroy its soul (died as far as the history tells - no Dark Ritual) and yet that Old God's soul survived and in a human body right now - Flemeth.

 

If Number 2 is true, then Old God's soul is preserved after Archdemon is slain (with Dark Ritual or not). And after all Archdemons are slain, all 7 Old Gods would be no longer imprisoned and will have human/elven/... bodies... convenient, won't you agree.

 

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I also think that she is a OGB (Old God Baby). And welcome to Bioware Social Network. :D


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Yeah, I believe her to be a dragon/ have a dragon's soul. Perhaps even an old god, though I believe an ancient dragon queen is more likely; such as the dragon yavana awakened in the comics.

That and also such a dragon can speak. Abominations are too common, but what about a mage with a soul of a dragon? It makes sense why Morrigan was concerned.
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I hope we get more of the story too. And @Dagr88 that first option made me remember something. Do you remember the story about Flemeth told by Morrigan and Leliana about her "finding demons" after something about escaping the king or some other? Maybe she found an old god and trapped it somehow, not demons. The second option would give Bioware a chance to make more Dragon Age games. No matter which it is, I cant wait for Dragon Age Inquisition and thanks :)



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I'm hoping we get a bit more than we did than the last two games, but not the whole story. Save Flemeth for the last Dragon Age I say.

Noooo, stop implying there'll be a last DA!!! 


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I, at least, want a conclusion to the OGB in this next game. Flemeth can still be mysterious in future games, but I really hope this arc with her and Morrigan is finished in DAI. *crosses fingers*



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I really hope we get all the details about Flemeth, and don't see why she needs to be a mystery just for the sake of having a mystery. There can be new and equally interesting new mysteries added to the lore after all.  3 games is a long time to keep everyone guessing.  


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Just let me kill her for good same for morrigan and i will be happy with that.



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I think she is an ancient Elf who diguised herself as human, the ancient Elves were immortal and any offspring between humans and Elves are human explaining Morrigan and Yavanna. This would also explain her connection to the Dalish, remember the ritual on Sundermount? That's my theory.
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That elf theory makes sense too. My other guess was that she was one of those old tevinter magisters but I have nothing to support that besides her being a very powerful mage. (Dragon Age 2 spoilers! sorry idk how to actually hide it, I'm still new to forums) But in Dragon Age 2 in the DLC Hawke ends up fighting one, however Flemeth looks nothing like him with his corruption/taint. Back to my original one. That sundermount ritual you reminded me of made me remember her talking about how there just needed to be a piece of her in the amulet to come back to life if the warden had killed her in Origins or "just in case" as she stated it. We know Old God souls are powerful enough that wardens can't survive when the souls passes through them after dealing a death blow to the arch demon. Maybe they're strong enough that to survive, only a piece of them needs to remain?



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There are some interesting tidbits if one looks at timeline carefully.

Flemeth is born Towers 3:00 which is over 100 years after the end of second blight (Diving 1:95) and 10 years before beginning of the third blight (Towers 3:10), which makes it unlikely to have her as OGB.  However, for example...Andraste is born almost exactly at the same time as corrupt Dumat dies (-203 Ancient).  Makes you wonder.

Flemeth also explicitly states that Morrigan knows how she extends her lifespan, but questions if Warden does, which implies that Morrigan could have easily lied about the whole 'she is going to possess me to extend her lifespan' bit.  I suspect Morrigan knows a lot more about Flemeth than she tells the player.


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I checked the IMDB the other day and Kate Mulligrew has a top billing, so Flemeth will be making an appearance.  I'm really looking forward to her role in the game and can't wait to see what it is.



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There are some interesting tidbits if one looks at timeline carefully.

Flemeth is born Towers 3:00 which is over 100 years after the end of second blight (Diving 1:95) and 10 years before beginning of the third blight (Towers 3:10), which makes it unlikely to have her as OGB.  However, for example...Andraste is born almost exactly at the same time as corrupt Dumat dies (-203 Ancient).  Makes you wonder.

Flemeth also explicitly states that Morrigan knows how she extends her lifespan, but questions if Warden does, which implies that Morrigan could have easily lied about the whole 'she is going to possess me to extend her lifespan' bit.  I suspect Morrigan knows a lot more about Flemeth than she tells the player.

Yavanna in the comics goes into Flemeth's "retirement plan" briefly, but implies it's not as simple or black-and-white as it seems.



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Love the idea of Flemeth having a Dragon soul. I always pictured her as being one of the old gods, or one of the Elven pantheon (Fen'Harel the trickster maybe).


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Read something about how all the old gods were high dragons, that true? Could explain why Flemeth can turn into a dragon on command.



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Oddly enough, there are mentions of evolution in thedas.

It is mentioned the wyverns branched out from dragons; hence why they still kinda have wings.

Its also mentioned that there were plenty of dragon fossil/skeletons that resemble the old gods.

I personally believe thousands/million years ago when dragons ruled there there used to be both male and female high dragon. The old gods (males) are just remnants of such dragons.

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Yeah Flemeth is really hard to tell if her motives are good or bad? I end up killing her because Morrigan was my number 1 side kick. But even Morrigans motives are unclear.

 

In Dragon Age 2, apparently Flemeth had time to make arrangements while the Grey Warden and the group were gathering allies. Her appearance is right after the fall of Lothering. She places a fragment of her soul into the amulet for her revival. Depending on your choice to kill her or not in Dragon Age Origins. So it seems that Flemeth may be more than one person or assuming the role of many Flemeths.

 

It was nearly a year after its destruction that Hawke could actually go to Sundermount, since it appeared that he/she was in servitude with either Athenril or Meeran during that time. So she must of knew that she would die at the hands of the Warden?

 

The whole time line of Flemeth is somewhat confusing. But the whole story is mysterious



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I always thought that Flemeth is doing what she is doing for the world, but what may be good for the world may not be good for those living in it.
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@FreshRevenge Morrigan was my sidekick too, but she's definitely planning something. I think it'll relate to either stopping her mother, or siding with the mages since she's never been a fan of Templars and the mage towers. And I remember reading an article about how they said they're not bringing Morrigan back just to bring her back, she's going to play an emotional/human part to the story. Prepare for some feels!  I agree with you partially @myahele, I think she thinks she's doing the world good but that might not be necessarily true for the world or beings living in it. If she ends up being some kind of Old God, she could be trying to overthrow the maker too or just combining the fade and Thedas into one realm for some reason (probably mage-related).



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IMO Flemeth is too powerful to be anything but a god.  Her known powers include "magic," shapeshifting, mind reading, precognition (or probability alteration), cosmic awareness (or simply clairvoyance), and resurrection, along with various other possible but unconfirmed powers.  She also possesses some form of immortality, but since she lies so often there's no way of knowing how old she really is or what era she actually originated in.  Anything other than a cosmic entity would just be incredulous at this point...  what else could have that many top tier powers? 

 

I wouldn't assume that she's an "old god," rather she may be something that disproves all of the religions of Thedas... a representative of the true order of gods or the supreme being Herself.  While it's true that the ancient Tevinters worshiped the "old gods," the archdemons don't seem particularly intelligent or powerful.  Their only real edge is that they are tainted and thus cannot be killed by conventional means...  Aside from mythological accounts, nothing about them suggests any measure of divinity.

 

Anyway, whatever the case I hope it's a satisfying and logical answer in the end.  Right now I think they may have just made Flemeth too powerful to be a believable character.  I hope I'm wrong about that.


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I hope Flemeth is Andraste 

 

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Flemeth as Andraste just doesn't make sense to me. Andraste and the chantry preach that magic should serve man, that it needs to be controlled. Flemeth is a mage by trade and seems to flout the conventions of the Chantry. If she is Andraste, she is basically giving the middle finger salute to her own religion.

 

Also, the Dark Ritual was her idea to begin with. Why would Andraste want to preserve the untainted soul of an Old God?

 

There's also no evidence that Andraste wielded supernatural or magical powers during her lifetime, either. She led a slave revolt against the Tevinter Imperium, was betrayed, and promptly executed. The only magic associated with her is the healing power of the Sacred Ashes ... which Oghren claimed was derved from the high concentration of Lyrium in the ruined temple.