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My gripe with the "Companions" Bioware has allotted to us in the latest game,is the fact that Male Companions outnumber the Female ones 2 to 1 ratio.

 

What is up with the Male dominated cast of Companions Bioware,I truly would like to know why we are going to be forced to experience this "Sausagefest" come launch date.

 

Also,why leave out such major character(s) from previous game;Leliana and Morrigan as party members/companions...truly baffles the mind.


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I can sympathize with the male to female ratio.  It does seem a little...off.  But I don't really consider it a deal breaker.  Cassandra is enough woman for me.   :wub:  Also, having Morrigan as a companion wouldn't work in the grand scheme of things, seeing as how Bioware seems to have GRAND plans for her in the overarching story.  It also adds a different angle at which to view her character.  She is no longer the irritated love interest/apostate with a penchant for dark rituals but an ambiguously evil schemer who has something up her sleeve.  Is she truly evil?  Or should we be watching out for Flemeth instead?  Or maybe just both? 



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I had much the same feelings as you did, OP.  Even made some long posts about the subject.  This is what DG said about it:

 

http://forum.bioware...i-female/page-4

 

I'll just jump in and say this:

 

There seems to be quite the laser-like focus on party members. Understandable, perhaps, considering those are the characters with whom you spend a great deal of time...but if we're to talk in terms of representation I'm a bit uncertain why 5:4 would be awesome and 6:3 somehow equates to horribleness on our part. Naturally your mileage will vary, in terms of what you want to see, and I won't tell you what that should be.

 

We. however, approach the equation a little differently. We come up with roughly even numbers in our concepts, even across gender lines, across racial lines as well as across classes. We (as in the team, not just the writers) pick the concepts that we like the most, and while there's always a point where we discuss diversity, there are many points of diversity we have to consider. Class diversity is perhaps highest on the list (in terms of gameplay utility), along with a diversity of viewpoints and how they intersect with the story. Gender diversity is also considered, but when we look at it in terms of representation, we look at it in terms of representation across the entire story—not just in the party.

 

Considering Inquisition takes place in a world where many (if not most) of the world's power players are female (the ruler of Orlais, the head of the Chantry and the Circle of Magi, possibly the ruler of Ferelden and others...not to mention the many characters outside of the party with whom you will also be deeply involved. I can honestly say I don't think we're doing badly on that front, not enough to feel we should switch the gender of a character concept we like to hit an arbitary number in this one group of characters. It sounds like it might be easy to do, but that's never been how character concepts come to be--we're not just flipping switches on a variety of grids until we hit some perfect balance for every desire and then writing interesting stories.

 

If you disagree, and feel we've done poorly even short of seeing the rest of the cast, then so be it. I completely understand.

 

Insofar as the OP's desire for a Qunari female character—I hear you, believe me. Sometimes it seems like we can never fit enough awesome concepts in one game.  :)

 


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Well at least you have an avi.

 

BRING ON TEH SAUSAGEFEST!



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I like that the Bioware team tends to remain true to their artistic vision... at least that's how it appears from the responses I hear from the devs now and then.  A sign of integrity.  The less diplomatic part of me agrees with the OP but I can respect their reasons for just telling the story they wish to tell with the characters they want to utilize.

 

Edit:  Let me clarify:  I agree with not wanting a sausagefest, not the part about Leliana and Morrigan as party members... please God no....



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I like that the Bioware team tends to remain true to their artistic vision... at least that's how it appears from the responses I hear from the devs now and then.  A sign of integrity.  The less diplomatic part of me agrees with the OP but I can respect their reasons for just telling the story they wish to tell with the characters they want to utilize.

 

Edit:  Let me clarify:  I agree with not wanting a sausagefest, not the part about Leliana and Morrigan as party members... please God no....

 

Yeah, like that went SO well last time. 

 

mass_effect___ending_option_4_by_the_joe


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That's more than a little unfair, don't you think?  The ME team is not the same as the DA team, and I really wish posters would stop using Mass Effect against the men and women behind Dragon Age.   <_<   

 

They are the same company, and I'm sure they talk on occasion, but you'd can't blame the DA team for the cluster that was the last 10-20 minutes of Mass Effect 3.


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That's more than a little unfair, don't you think?  The ME team is not the same as the DA team, and I really wish posters would stop using Mass Effect against the men and women behind Dragon Age.   <_<   

 

They are the same company, and I'm sure they talk on occasion, but you'd can't blame the DA team for the cluster that was the last 10-20 minutes of Mass Effect 3.

That's very true. 



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Considering the advisers have the same budget as the companions, it's actually a 7:5 ratio.

 

 

Yeah, like that went SO well last time. 

 

*snip*

I liked Mass Effect 3.  :unsure:


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Considering the advisers have the same budget as the companions, it's actually a 7:5 ratio.

 

 

I liked Mass Effect 3.  :unsure:

I did too.....until the last 15 minutes.  But we better cease the OT, lest we earn the ire of the sentinels.



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You call that a sausage fest?

 

The Killzone and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series are true sausage fests, the Dragon Age series is not. 


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LoTR....now THAT's a sausage fest.  1 female elf for every 100 male humans/orcs/dwarves



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FYI, a sausagefest requires at least 80% guys.



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FYI, a sausagefest requires at least 80% guys.

 

Sounds like a party......


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I'm OK with the sausagefest if it means that Leliana won't swoop in from nowhere and become the onlly achievable way to earn credit with another quest, I'm all for it.  I hope she's finally relegated to the category where you are required to build approval with her if you want a favorable outcome and the game is honest enough to admit this is the case.  Since she has been so heavily weighted in favor of, I'm really reluctant to listen to her more than, say Orzammar's nug farmer.  She's there for quests, but she's got plot armor and you can't hurt her.  Her only claim to importance is that the developers think she's got a story to tell and I'm going to have that decision crammed down my throat no matter what.  Got it.  Don't make me have to pretend to like her in order to get a quest this time, please.  There is such a thing as adding insult to injury.  I'm not saying I won't play, I'm saying her existence in the world makes playing less fun.


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What is up with the Male dominated cast of Companions Bioware,I truly would like to know why we are going to be forced to experience this "Sausagefest" come launch date.

Seeing how you can play through the game with all-female party if you wish so, "forced to experience this sausagefest" seems to be overdramatizing just a tad.
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But...but...I like sausage, wursts. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


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Mmmm sausage. The more the merrier. 


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I did too.....until the last 15 minutes.  But we better cease the OT, lest we earn the ire of the sentinels.

That ending still stings, ruined the series for me, even with the attempt to salvage it with the EC. Nope the damage was already done by then. ME3 has alot of problems, which sucks as I adore the franchise. Will still pick up ME4 despite what happened with that game though.


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That ending still stings, ruined the series for me, even with the attempt to salvage it with the EC. Nope the damage was already done by then. ME3 has alot of problems, which sucks as I adore the franchise. Will still pick up ME4 despite what happened with that game though.

 

To be fair, most of the issues with Mass Effect 3 revolve around the Cerberus attacking Citadel scene, and everything after the Geth x Quarian conflict. Other than that, I really like the game, which is like...2/3rds of the game.

 

Also. In my opinion, which I've stated a few times already, BioWare backed themselves into a corner having the final antagonist of the original trilogy being the Reapers. Having a god-like, extremely large, huge in numbers, with the ability to purge a galaxy enemy as your main antagonist of your story really is hard to write a believable conclusion too.


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Sausage may not agree with me but it tastes so good!



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Seeing how you can play through the game with all-female party if you wish so, "forced to experience this sausagefest" seems to be overdramatizing just a tad.

true, but you're also limited to those 3 females where as with the males you can mix and match and get some different dialogue/banter.


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To be fair, most of the issues with Mass Effect 3 revolve around the Cerberus attacking Citadel scene, and everything after the Geth x Quarian conflict. Other than that, I really like the game, which is like...2/3rds of the game.

 

Also. In my opinion, which I've stated a few times already, BioWare backed themselves into a corner having the final antagonist of the original trilogy being the Reapers. Having a god-like, extremely large, huge in numbers, with the ability to purge a galaxy enemy as your main antagonist of your story really is hard to write a believable conclusion too.

Things they did perfectly and I couldn't ask for more in ME3, the Tuchanka arch, Mordin redeeming himself one of the best scenes in a video game I've seen in years. That was resolved really well but the rest of the game, left alot to be desired.



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Sausagefest? The Breakfastquistion? 

 

That horrible thing I wrote aside the split does seem off to me as well but I doubt there was any malice or ill intent behind it, I'm sure the female characters be awesome still, though hopefully they try to go for a more even split in the next game. ^_^



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After Gaider's reassurances, I'm reserving judgement on the gender imbalance until we actually get to play the game and see whether it's true that there is a more even split across the game as a whole.

 

But it still kind of sucks that we only get one possible all-female party, and probably every female party member will be a romance option.


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